Contradiction of WORDS
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You will never understand as long as you trust in your works......they do sell glasses where you live right?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and quit trusting in your ability to earn your salvation....you have no concept at all about spiritual birth.....and the fact that no work can bring eternal life as it is faith that SAVES one's soul from hell....and WORKS are the product of one that IS ALREADY saved and already POSSESSING eternal life.....
Open your eyes before you end of cooking because of trusting into Cain-ology as HE OFFERED THE WORK OF HIS HANDS and was REJECTED.....Abel's offering was accepted because it pointed to BLOOD AND FAITH as opposed to works!
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and quit trusting in your ability to earn your salvation....you have no concept at all about spiritual birth.....and the fact that no work can bring eternal life as it is faith that SAVES one's soul from hell....and WORKS are the product of one that IS ALREADY saved and already POSSESSING eternal life.....
Open your eyes before you end of cooking because of trusting into Cain-ology as HE OFFERED THE WORK OF HIS HANDS and was REJECTED.....Abel's offering was accepted because it pointed to BLOOD AND FAITH as opposed to works!
Well NewB, I got a laugh out of "faith is not a production line."
I can see them at an automobile factory, turning out faiths on an assembly line!
Why do you say, ".salvation is by grace through faith...and faith without works is dead.....show your faith without works.."
We don't disagree about that; so why go on about it?
Have you come around yet to admitting that the order is
1) faith,
2) salvation,
3) works?
[Note I did not put any water in there; neither does Eph 2 and a ton of scripture.]
Have you yet admitted that in the world of unregenerate men: there is none good, no not one? There is none who does good? There is none who seeks God. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags? No one is doing any good works.
Have you yet admitted that all those statements accurately describes a man before he trusts Christ as Savior?
I can see them at an automobile factory, turning out faiths on an assembly line!
Why do you say, ".salvation is by grace through faith...and faith without works is dead.....show your faith without works.."
We don't disagree about that; so why go on about it?
Have you come around yet to admitting that the order is
1) faith,
2) salvation,
3) works?
[Note I did not put any water in there; neither does Eph 2 and a ton of scripture.]
Have you yet admitted that in the world of unregenerate men: there is none good, no not one? There is none who does good? There is none who seeks God. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags? No one is doing any good works.
Have you yet admitted that all those statements accurately describes a man before he trusts Christ as Savior?
That is right as (that not of yourselves) is directed at the FAITH of JESUS (Galatians 2:16-21) Lets us look how it is all of God and has nothing at all to do with man...
1. God has dealt to EVERY man a measure of faith (the ability to believe)<--from God
2. Faith is a spiritual Gift (cannot be worked for)<---from God
3. Jesus died on the cross to pay our sins (The Father's will)<---from God
4. Conviction and enlightenment from the H.S. <---from God
5. Salvation and justification found in the blood of Christ <---from God
6. Salvation and eternal life in Jesus (cant gain ourselves)<---from God
7. Translated into the kingdom of the dear Son (we cannot do ourselves)<--from God
8. The Father draws men to Jesus <--from God
9. All that the Father hath given Jesus will loose none <---from God
We can go on all day with these concepts and at the end of the day it is ALL about Jesus, Faith and FROM GOD and...
NOT WE OURSELVES...........!
1. God has dealt to EVERY man a measure of faith (the ability to believe)<--from God
2. Faith is a spiritual Gift (cannot be worked for)<---from God
3. Jesus died on the cross to pay our sins (The Father's will)<---from God
4. Conviction and enlightenment from the H.S. <---from God
5. Salvation and justification found in the blood of Christ <---from God
6. Salvation and eternal life in Jesus (cant gain ourselves)<---from God
7. Translated into the kingdom of the dear Son (we cannot do ourselves)<--from God
8. The Father draws men to Jesus <--from God
9. All that the Father hath given Jesus will loose none <---from God
We can go on all day with these concepts and at the end of the day it is ALL about Jesus, Faith and FROM GOD and...
NOT WE OURSELVES...........!
We have a choice newbirth... We don't have to do any of it, why we have free will, but if the Spirit dwells with you, these fruits we will bear, so it's not the spirit completing the act, that's why we get the credit... The spirit just guides in fruit, it's up to our discretion how, when, and if we use it... The Spirit has no control there, but the fruits are present is the subject matter.
No doubt and he cannot even comprehend that it is FAITH that bears forth fruit....
John 15:1-8 Faith bears fruit for sure...
Abraham BELIEVED GOD and LEFT his own country
NOAH believed GOD and built the ark
Joshua BELIEVED GOD and took the promise land
Rahab believed and spared the spies
Abraham believed God and went to sacrifice Isaac
Caleb Believed God and along with Joshua was spared in the wilderness
Jesus believed the Father and ana-stasis (resurrected)
David believed God and KILLED Goliath
as a matter of fact the whole 11th chapter of Hebrews teaches about faith (belief) and the fruit (works) that were produced....
SALVATION comes because of BELIEF not because of a work or immersion as the works and even IMMERSION are the results of faith that is ALREADY PRESENT
John 15:1-8 Faith bears fruit for sure...
Abraham BELIEVED GOD and LEFT his own country
NOAH believed GOD and built the ark
Joshua BELIEVED GOD and took the promise land
Rahab believed and spared the spies
Abraham believed God and went to sacrifice Isaac
Caleb Believed God and along with Joshua was spared in the wilderness
Jesus believed the Father and ana-stasis (resurrected)
David believed God and KILLED Goliath
as a matter of fact the whole 11th chapter of Hebrews teaches about faith (belief) and the fruit (works) that were produced....
SALVATION comes because of BELIEF not because of a work or immersion as the works and even IMMERSION are the results of faith that is ALREADY PRESENT
I think everyone has pretty much group hugged on this thing my friend 
I've actually been scratching my head a little though at what seems to be a repetitive staccato of a seeming controversy popular you keep asking about..., that I don't think really exists!
Everyone might say it a little different, but we all agree that "faith without works is dead" because the Bible tells us so
It's not rocket science eh?
Let's move on everybody Nothing left to see here for grownup Christians hehe
(Heb 6:1)
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
(Heb 6:2)
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
I've actually been scratching my head a little though at what seems to be a repetitive staccato of a seeming controversy popular you keep asking about..., that I don't think really exists!
Everyone might say it a little different, but we all agree that "faith without works is dead" because the Bible tells us so
It's not rocket science eh?
Let's move on everybody
Nothing left to see here for grownup Christians hehe(Heb 6:1)
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
(Heb 6:2)
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
NewB, I commend you for attention to scripture. What is perplexing is why you keep going on that way? since no one (I have seen) is debating that issue.
Have you come around yet to admitting that the order is
1) faith, then
2) salvation, then
3) works?
[Note I did not put any water in there; neither does Eph 2 and a ton of scripture.]
Have you yet admitted that in the world of unregenerate men: there is none good, no not one? There is none who does good? There is none who seeks God. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags? No one is doing any good works.
Have you yet admitted that all those statements accurately describes a man before he trusts Christ as Savior?
Have you come around yet to admitting that the order is
1) faith, then
2) salvation, then
3) works?
[Note I did not put any water in there; neither does Eph 2 and a ton of scripture.]
Have you yet admitted that in the world of unregenerate men: there is none good, no not one? There is none who does good? There is none who seeks God. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags? No one is doing any good works.
Have you yet admitted that all those statements accurately describes a man before he trusts Christ as Savior?
He cannot admit that, because if he does it will contradict his works for salvation dogma.....!
Faith alone saves and saving faith will produce fruit, but the fruit does no save...quite simple.....
An apple tree is an apple tree some 2 to 3 years before it bears fruit.....salvation occurs at the moment of faith and then as it matures it will bear fruit.....quite simplistic at the end of the day........seem like many want to be removed from the simplicity that is found in Christ and tie themselves and their abilities to salvation so as to supplement salvation and help Jesus save them.....! Like the Pharisee of old...!
Faith alone saves and saving faith will produce fruit, but the fruit does no save...quite simple.....
An apple tree is an apple tree some 2 to 3 years before it bears fruit.....salvation occurs at the moment of faith and then as it matures it will bear fruit.....quite simplistic at the end of the day........seem like many want to be removed from the simplicity that is found in Christ and tie themselves and their abilities to salvation so as to supplement salvation and help Jesus save them.....! Like the Pharisee of old...!
Well NewB, shall we sing it with Little Richard?
Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam boo
Tutti frutti, au- rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boom.
And I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you (and was hindered hitherto), that I might have some fruit in you also, even as in the rest of the Gentiles.
Note that fruit includes to souls won to the Lord.
One of the famous fruit passages is John 15.
Tell us now, snaggle-tooth truthfully:
Do you believe this one?:
16 Ye did not choose me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that ye should go and bear fruit, and that
your fruit should abide (verb = meno = abide, remain):
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have
remained [verb = meno = abide, remain] with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us.
Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam boo
Tutti frutti, au- rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
Tutti frutti, au-rutti
A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boom.
And I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you (and was hindered hitherto), that I might have some fruit in you also, even as in the rest of the Gentiles.
Note that fruit includes to souls won to the Lord.
One of the famous fruit passages is John 15.
Tell us now, snaggle-tooth truthfully:
Do you believe this one?:
16 Ye did not choose me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that ye should go and bear fruit, and that
your fruit should abide (verb = meno = abide, remain):
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have
remained [verb = meno = abide, remain] with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us.
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