creationist debate?

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miknik5 said:
Yes they did.
Re read Peters letters...
If HE led captivity in HIS TRAIN...who do you think those might have been
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You think Egyptians who never believed in Yahweh are in Heaven now?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
ok,
sorry

When you mention GAP theory I was confused. The gap theory states that there is a GAP between Gen 1: 1 and Gen 1: 3 of an unknown time period. up to billions of years. Which accounts for everything
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There are different flavors of the gap theory. I wouldn't necessarily teach this from the pulpit. My original comment here was to help someone see why it was brought up by someone else
 
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Yes, and Ruth and others in single persons but not the entire people.
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I do not think I stated entire people :unsure: ... the point is God did raise up a people/Israelite to be a light to others.. so He did provide a way of salvation to all.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I do not think I stated entire people :unsure: ... the point is God did raise up a people/Israelite to be a light to others.. so He did provide a way of salvation to all.
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No, you did not. And those few chose to convert but it was not like today where anyone can walk past a church and be welcomed inside.
 
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No, you did not. And those few chose to convert but it was not like today where anyone can walk past a church and be welcomed inside.
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Okay... well they Israelite became self-righteous ....but I am not sure that was what God wanted for them.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Okay... well they Israelite became self-righteous ....but I am not sure that was what God wanted for them.
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No, but we should be thankful, because that is why God made a way for every people. (in theory that is why)
 
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We are discussing Creation and the possible of reCreation and you are now discussing the "End" of it all.
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You are discussing Lazarus and the rich man...please tell me what this has to do with Creation and the possibility of reCreation...
If you want to talk about those who will have salvation, then your work is to point those to the TRUTH...what you are debating, at the end of the day, sir...will mean NOTHING
 
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God said to the Hebrew People, You are My Chosen. That meant for the other billions (like Noah 8 people live the rest die and go to hell) it's not rocket science here that God made some people to specifically go to hell and He did not choose them but let them be firewood for the ovens of Hell (theoretically).
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Yet the TRUE circumcision which marks one as belonging to GOD had not yet come...though GOD prepared HIS chosen with visible signs to understand that when the fullness had come, there was really only ONE FIRST BORN SON whom HE was speaking of
 
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And yet, He did not provide a way for them to be saved like He did 4,000 years after Adam.
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He provided ONE WAY...and that guarding of Eden was just a sign showing that it is BY GOD and through GOD that THE WAY would be opened to a man, any man, who comes to faith in the ONE who opened the TRUE VEIL/WAY./DOOR unto HEAVEN by HIS BODY...

THE GOSPEL has NOT changed...and there will NOT be a different GOSPEL preached to the JEW...
 
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You are discussing Lazarus and the rich man...please tell me what this has to do with Creation and the possibility of reCreation...
If you want to talk about those who will have salvation, then your work is to point those to the TRUTH...what you are debating, at the end of the day, sir...will mean NOTHING
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I followed the tangent you clearly drifted off onto.

Do you think the Pharaoh and army who drowned in the Red Sea are in Heaven?
 
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My point was pertaining to atmosphere. If the Atmosphere was different, those volcanoes would kill people.
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You originally said such would have killed Noah, too, which is why I asked if Noah lived near an active volcano.
 
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Yet the TRUE circumcision which marks one as belonging to GOD had not yet come...though GOD prepared HIS chosen with visible signs to understand that when the fullness had come, there was really only ONE FIRST BORN SON whom HE was speaking of
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Agreed, but my point was the other people on Earth, not Circumcised, not a believer in Yahweh, do you think they are in Hell or in Heaven?
 
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He provided ONE WAY...and that guarding of Eden was just a sign showing that it is BY GOD and through GOD that THE WAY would be opened to a man, any man, who comes to faith in the ONE who opened the TRUE VEIL/WAY./DOOR unto HEAVEN by HIS BODY...

THE GOSPEL has NOT changed...and there will NOT be a different GOSPEL preached to the JEW...
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OK, we somehow are on 2 topics. Not sure how or why. But we are having a conversation between each other but discussing different things.
 
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Magenta said:
You originally said such would have killed Noah, too, which is why I asked if Noah lived near an active volcano.
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I have never been to Mesopotamia. But I said what I did because someone thought the Flood created a new atmosphere. My point in answering was if there were volcanoes in a new atmosphere then Noah would die, because I always believed the atmosphere before and after Noah were the same.
 
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God said to the Hebrew People, You are My Chosen. That meant for the other billions (like Noah 8 people live the rest die and go to hell) it's not rocket science here that God made some people to specifically go to hell and He did not choose them but let them be firewood for the ovens of Hell (theoretically).
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No

Noah preached the gospel for those people the whole time he was building the ark

He did not creat them for hell. He gave them every opportunity to repent. Until He shut noah in the ark.
 
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Ever been to the Grand Canyon? There is not much green in the high desert to begin with. We are discussing where Noah was located, you know, Mesopotamia where it is lush and like a forest!
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Yeah I have

The grand canyon was an after affect of the flood. When the waters of the lakes which had their banks breached carved out the grand canyon, We were shown the results of the global flood. and what it did on this side of the globe.. But science has seen these same things all over the globe. So we can rest assured it is not just a local event..
 
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Because the dove brought back an olive tree branch. And olive trees only survive certain climates.
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That was post flood. For all we know. the ark circled the earth multiple times in that time period. Boats do not just stay in one area..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No

Noah preached the gospel for those people the whole time he was building the ark

He did not creat them for hell. He gave them every opportunity to repent. Until He shut noah in the ark.
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Excellent Answer!
 
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I only see where God would send His Prophets to warn the Hebrews they were sinning. I do not see where God sent the Prophets to preach to the Gentiles. So if people died for 4,000 years (Hebrew/Gentile), only the Hebrew people were saved Eternally, not the Gentiles before Jesus walked this Earth.

Are the people of Sodom in hell?
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WHat is a Hebrew
What is a Jew
What is an Isaelite

Please answer that question according to THE WORD of TRUTH
And it was NEVER based on flesh or a circumcision upon the outer flesh.

Therefore, SALVATION may have come from the JEW, but, as John 4 shows, the HARVEST was white...and it did NOT only include ¨jews
 
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