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I went to the ark exibit in Kentucky a few years ago. it was an excellent exhibit, Showing how it was possible for what God said happened to happen..
Dr Georgie Purdom is great with scientific explanations
 

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Yay! I would love to visit the creation museum. We have one opening in Wales uk soon, but the ark is what I plan to see. I’m an avid listener of AiG conferences & have learned so much. Evil-ution (as I write it) is an agenda, simple as that! ‘They are without excuse’
The ark is really impressive!
 

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I went to the ark exibit in Kentucky a few years ago. it was an excellent exhibit, Showing how it was possible for what God said happened to happen..
Was this the ark which was build in netherlands?
 
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Was this the ark which was build in netherlands?
Didn’t even know there was an ark in the Netherlands!! Just looked it up, could probably make it there 😊
 

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God created humans knowing that if there was 50 trillion persons to ever exist, that only 10% will actually accept God.

When the Hebrew people existed, the Egyptians, Asians, Greeks, Babylonians, Persians, Meades, Canaanites, Edomites, about a hundred more sects of people I could list that were all were going to hell.
Regarding those going to hell, that is just speculation. I don't believe that anyone can say conclusively that a certain person or group are going to hell and back up the claim with scripture. The bible does not list a single person or group that is definitely going to hell and be separated from God for all eternity. All races, creeds and nationalities now and through history are deserving of eternal punishment but Jesus came to earth and died on the cross for remission of sin. It is God's will and desire that all shall be saved and certainly God is able and willing to accomplish His own will and desire. Somewhere in your list of those that are damned are you and I but Jesus paid the price for our sins. Jesus saves.
 

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And non would have said no after experiencing the afterlife they became immediate believers before Christ went to preach to them

their sin was unbelief, what Jesus said goes for all time whoever believes is not condemned,
I don´t agree. I think those who had died prior to HIS first advent, who had not had the fortune to hear, to understand, and/or to believe, had the chance to hear HIM when HE descended and went to preach by THE SPIRIT
 

miknik5

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Yes

it does not mean they were given a second chance

it does not say they were given a second chance, it says Jesus went to preach to them what was hidden on the OT, to preach Gods provision,
It doesn´t say that at all...it simply says HE went to preach by THE SPIRIT...that is all
 
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I don´t agree. I think those who had died prior to HIS first advent, who had not had the fortune to hear, to understand, and/or to believe, had the chance to hear HIM when HE descended and went to preach by THE SPIRIT
Is it Biblical?
 

miknik5

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Yet abraham,and Noah, and Daniel and abel and so many people were still saved because they believed God

these people did not.

again, a study of romans 1 will do you some good on why these people were there
Did the men of Sodom believe in GOD?
 

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It is biblcal in the sense that GOD is not a respector of persons...there are many who live today who do not believe in GOD...but they know THE GOSPEL...and they still turn away from GOD.,

These who died prior to the fulfillment of the ONE for whom THE WORD of GOD always pointed to, did not have the benefit of hearing THE GOSPEL...if CHRIST went, by THE SPIRIT to preach to those in prison...GOD, who is not a respector of persons, went back and gave those who had died, prior to the fulfillment, prior to HIS first coming...which was spoken of throughout the WORD of GOD, but had not yet come to pass...the chance to also hear THE GOSPEL preached...that is, that CHRIST died for their sins...too
 

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If the sin of disbelief is unforgiveable, why even say to the Pharisees, who had the benefit of hearing HIM, and acknowledging HIM...even if at that moment they did not believe, afterwards, when it was noted that HE had risen, those who still continued in disbelief, would die in their sins...with no possiblity of being given a second chance because they had a FIRST chance to begin with.


But these who died prior to HIS first coming, did not even have a FIRST chance to hear THE GOSPEL preached.
 
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It is biblcal in the sense that GOD is not a respector of persons...there are many who live today who do not believe in GOD...but they know THE GOSPEL...and they still turn away from GOD.,

These who died prior to the fulfillment of the ONE for whom THE WORD of GOD always pointed to, did not have the benefit of hearing THE GOSPEL...if CHRIST went, by THE SPIRIT to preach to those in prison...GOD, who is not a respector of persons, went back and gave those who had died, prior to the fulfillment, prior to HIS first coming...which was spoken of throughout the WORD of GOD, but had not yet come to pass...the chance to also hear THE GOSPEL preached...that is, that CHRIST died for their sins...too
Your heart is pure in your beliefs, but you are wrong. All the saints in the OT knew Jesus/Yeshua. They might not know the man, but they knew Him. God gives us over to our hearts desire and that is why people sin.

Go and search the word salvation in the OT and see how they knew Jesus/Yeshua/Salvation.

God bless my friend
 
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If the sin of disbelief is unforgiveable, why even say to the Pharisees, who had the benefit of hearing HIM, and acknowledging HIM...even if at that moment they did not believe, afterwards, when it was noted that HE had risen, those who still continued in disbelief, would die in their sins...with no possiblity of being given a second chance because they had a FIRST chance to begin with.


But these who died prior to HIS first coming, did not even have a FIRST chance to hear THE GOSPEL preached.
God does not need a missionary or priest to preach His gospel. He can use a burning bush, a fish or a donkey :)

God bless
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Was this the ark which was build in netherlands?
I am not sure.. I think they built it on site.. I remember seeing pictures of the construction. It is just 2.5 hours south of me
 
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I don´t agree. I think those who had died prior to HIS first advent, who had not had the fortune to hear, to understand, and/or to believe, had the chance to hear HIM when HE descended and went to preach by THE SPIRIT
Romans 1 said they had no excuse.

OT people were not required to believe in Jesus for salvation. Abraham did not. yet he still had faith and was saved by that faith. ALL OT people had that same opportunity while here on earth. They do not get a second chance, if they did, Then it is only fair others do as well.
 
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It doesn´t say that at all...it simply says HE went to preach by THE SPIRIT...that is all
Yes, He did

It does not mean he offered them salvation again..

They had the oportunity while they were alive, God is a fair God.. He will not allow anyone to die without the ability to say yes God..
 
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Did the men of Sodom believe in GOD?
The men Whom God destroyed by fire and brimestone? No

Did they have an excuse?


Rom 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. (SODOM'S SIN)

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Again, No excuse
 
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If the sin of disbelief is unforgiveable, why even say to the Pharisees, who had the benefit of hearing HIM, and acknowledging HIM...even if at that moment they did not believe, afterwards, when it was noted that HE had risen, those who still continued in disbelief, would die in their sins...with no possiblity of being given a second chance because they had a FIRST chance to begin with.


But these who died prior to HIS first coming, did not even have a FIRST chance to hear THE GOSPEL preached.
We have until the day we die to repent.

It is once we have died that that sin becomes unforgivable. we have died in a state of spiritual death.

Thats why Jesus himself warned the pharisees. who although they committed the unforgivable sin (calling the HS a liar. and attributing his work to satan) he said they were in danger, ie, they could still repent. We know saul did, as did Nicodemus, there could have been more. we do not know