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I am so confused. Do you think that there werenĀ“t OTHER people besides OT saints? This is who I am referring to...
GOD knew HIS SAINTS...but those who died without benefitting from THE GOSPEL, should have been preached to, if GOD is NOT a respector of persons...
They also should have had the chance to hear and believe or be judged for hearing and rejecting THE GOSPEL
GOD turned the whole world over to disobedience so as to be just when HE judges.
That judgment will be because one either believes or doesnĀ“t
FOR JUDGMENT I HAVE COME...
GOD knew HIS SAINTS...but those who died without benefitting from THE GOSPEL, should have been preached to, if GOD is NOT a respector of persons...
They also should have had the chance to hear and believe or be judged for hearing and rejecting THE GOSPEL
GOD turned the whole world over to disobedience so as to be just when HE judges.
That judgment will be because one either believes or doesnĀ“t
FOR JUDGMENT I HAVE COME...
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Romans 1 is about the world. Not just Israel
We also see. Abraham did not get to have was was promised to him Because people in cannan still believe, In fact many people up until abraham children became Israel knew God. Every knew him because the word passed down from Noah. Een when the world was scattered, knowledge of God went with them.
We also see. Abraham did not get to have was was promised to him Because people in cannan still believe, In fact many people up until abraham children became Israel knew God. Every knew him because the word passed down from Noah. Een when the world was scattered, knowledge of God went with them.
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No he did not. He was buried there. But he never actually obtained the land that was given to him
He also understood that promise was an earthly promise, and there was also a heavenly promise. Which was promised to all.. And understood the difference between the two.
Again, Read romans 1. Romans 1 is not written to or about jews it is written to, and about all of creation. from adam and eve on
He also understood that promise was an earthly promise, and there was also a heavenly promise. Which was promised to all.. And understood the difference between the two.
Again, Read romans 1. Romans 1 is not written to or about jews it is written to, and about all of creation. from adam and eve on
You mean something like this? (This was a blog of mine from a few years back on Quora.)
I as a 30 year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light-years away, so we would have to be naive to think the universe is 6000 years old.
Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I donāt think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance, the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (Day) means āto be hotā and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in strongās concordanceās lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point.
YOWM or āTo be hotā, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first Day (to be hot) was the Evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the Morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a āperiod of timeā and in my opinion, it lasted from 13.7 Billion BC until 4.5 Billion BC (9.2 Billion years) when the Sun & Earth were formed. So let's take a second and look at the Bible and the WMAP research and see if this matches.
Genesis 1:1, In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out. Below as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! God's word is perfect, it is we who are confused. DARK AGES Mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said āLet there be lightā God is right again. We are looking at Creation from God's POV, no man was there of course and with God, he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words, God lives in the past, present, and future all at the same time.
So we had the Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The Universe becomes Transparent to Light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce.
The first stars appearā¦.................Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off.
The second day (period of time) of course would be from the Earth & the Sun's formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the Fourth day it seems God Set the Seasons or placed the Moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange, but orderly, I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy Word and Science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates, of course, are guesstimates, I wasnāt there.
On the fifth day, God created the Sea animals/birds, and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300ā350 Million BC God created the Land Animals. During this period of time the Dinosaurs became extinct about 70 million years ago. Then during this āTIME PERIODā (6TH DAY), God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we donāt have proof of men going back further. Now as per āMENā being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years, I never said Animal-like men werenāt around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago when God placed His spirit in us and thus we are immortal in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time āCreated in Gods Imageā. The other fossils and bones mean nothing because Scientists have no way of testing for God imparting His spirit into mankind and creating āHuman Beingsā with powerful intellects.
On the Seventh Day God rested, which only means He ceased Creating the Heavens/Earth/Mankind/Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created today, it was ordered forth 13.7 Billion years ago. So it's not necessarily either-or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian.
P.S. Just something to think about. Einsteinās theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speakingā¦LOL.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven (SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).
I as a 30 year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light-years away, so we would have to be naive to think the universe is 6000 years old.
Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I donāt think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance, the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (Day) means āto be hotā and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in strongās concordanceās lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point.
YOWM or āTo be hotā, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first Day (to be hot) was the Evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the Morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a āperiod of timeā and in my opinion, it lasted from 13.7 Billion BC until 4.5 Billion BC (9.2 Billion years) when the Sun & Earth were formed. So let's take a second and look at the Bible and the WMAP research and see if this matches.
Genesis 1:1, In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out. Below as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! God's word is perfect, it is we who are confused. DARK AGES Mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said āLet there be lightā God is right again. We are looking at Creation from God's POV, no man was there of course and with God, he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words, God lives in the past, present, and future all at the same time.
So we had the Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The Universe becomes Transparent to Light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce.
The first stars appearā¦.................Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off.
The second day (period of time) of course would be from the Earth & the Sun's formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the Fourth day it seems God Set the Seasons or placed the Moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange, but orderly, I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy Word and Science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates, of course, are guesstimates, I wasnāt there.
On the fifth day, God created the Sea animals/birds, and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300ā350 Million BC God created the Land Animals. During this period of time the Dinosaurs became extinct about 70 million years ago. Then during this āTIME PERIODā (6TH DAY), God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we donāt have proof of men going back further. Now as per āMENā being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years, I never said Animal-like men werenāt around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago when God placed His spirit in us and thus we are immortal in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time āCreated in Gods Imageā. The other fossils and bones mean nothing because Scientists have no way of testing for God imparting His spirit into mankind and creating āHuman Beingsā with powerful intellects.
On the Seventh Day God rested, which only means He ceased Creating the Heavens/Earth/Mankind/Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created today, it was ordered forth 13.7 Billion years ago. So it's not necessarily either-or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian.
P.S. Just something to think about. Einsteinās theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speakingā¦LOL.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven (SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).
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You got this backwards brother, Abraham was not under the Law...........Gal. ch. 3 will tell you the Law came 430 years later. Abraham was under THE PROMISE [of the coming SEED/Messiah/Lamb] that would take our sins away. The Old Testament even says that Abraham was JUSTIFIED by Faith (because he believed God) and remember, Jesus told the Pharisees that he did know their father Abraham, to which they replied, how could you know Abraham, you are but 30 years old, and Jesus told them that BEFORE Abraham was I AM.
So, Abraham did know Yeshua [which means Salvation].
So, Abraham did know Yeshua [which means Salvation].
If reading days 1&2 then day 4, day 3 then day 5 & 6, is intriguing.
Be like this,
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Be like this,
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.