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~Eph 6:12~
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Correct, which is why when someone like Jennifer LeClaire tells us to war in the heavens through prayer we know it is a lie.
Michael the Arch Angel did not even go toe 2 toe with Satan on his own:
~Jude 9~
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
~1 Tim 6:12~
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Correct, which is why when someone like Jennifer LeClaire tells us to war in the heavens through prayer we know it is a lie.
Michael the Arch Angel did not even go toe 2 toe with Satan on his own:
~Jude 9~
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
~1 Tim 6:12~
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
About 26 years I had deliverance ministry.
The couple who I walked with were very genuine. After being first introduced we set up a meeting.
At that first meeting they said they were praying and the initials HA were laid on their heart.
The asked if they meant anything. I said yes my mum's name is Helema Alum.
They then asked if there was any Muslim ancestry.
So I said yes there was.
So we agreed to meet up.
This was very hard to me to start, because that meant I had to open up, and answer a lot of questions.
Things like had I slept with anyone?
I was carrying so much guilt and hurt and pain.
I felt so ashamed of myself, for the three things I still did as a believer.
Anyways
Unfortunately I ended up in a worse position.
Things did start to happen.
I dunt think I ended up worse because of what they were doing.
The last session we had was a hard one.
They talked about the spirit of rejection and started to pray.
As they did I became very hot, I started to move my chair away from them.
I ended up in the corner of the room.
The kept saying to me "Bill pray against this"
All of a sudden I looked half up and something of the following came out of my mouth.
"I've been here since he was conceived, I have every right to be here"
Then I swore a lot at them as they prayed.
I was meant to be aborted, single Muslim girl fallen pregnant to an infidel and that child was me.
She was even on the abortion table. But baulked. Her dad insisted the doctor carry on, but he would not.
14 years after I was born, she threw me out. She never told me she loved me once and beatings were server.
Anyway the meeting ended with a meeting set up. It was late, I was very distressed and all over the place.
They said that the spirit of rejection had retreated.
So another meeting was arranged.
Alas it did not happen due to illness of my counselors.
The husband was diagnosed with cancer and the wife was admitted to hospital with severe heart problems.
I was offered to be counseled by another couple but I refused.
I was open and I was Rae.
I could not cope with the prospect of having to open myself up again.
So I don't there anymore with regards to myself.
I still walk with the fear of rejection, the anxiety that goes with.
Anonymity is one of the reasons I joined here.
If you don't really know me then you can't reject me, bit if you do I'm being rejected by people I don't know either.
The above is my experience.
By the way to finish.
My mum and have been reconciled.
Praise God she is now a Christian.
God still worked through me and my wife. It took many many years.
The first time she told me she loved me was when I was about 30.
The funny thing was for the preceding 6 years she told my wife she loved her every time we went to visit..
As we left she would say "Love you Tori and that was that.
The couple who I walked with were very genuine. After being first introduced we set up a meeting.
At that first meeting they said they were praying and the initials HA were laid on their heart.
The asked if they meant anything. I said yes my mum's name is Helema Alum.
They then asked if there was any Muslim ancestry.
So I said yes there was.
So we agreed to meet up.
This was very hard to me to start, because that meant I had to open up, and answer a lot of questions.
Things like had I slept with anyone?
I was carrying so much guilt and hurt and pain.
I felt so ashamed of myself, for the three things I still did as a believer.
Anyways
Unfortunately I ended up in a worse position.
Things did start to happen.
I dunt think I ended up worse because of what they were doing.
The last session we had was a hard one.
They talked about the spirit of rejection and started to pray.
As they did I became very hot, I started to move my chair away from them.
I ended up in the corner of the room.
The kept saying to me "Bill pray against this"
All of a sudden I looked half up and something of the following came out of my mouth.
"I've been here since he was conceived, I have every right to be here"
Then I swore a lot at them as they prayed.
I was meant to be aborted, single Muslim girl fallen pregnant to an infidel and that child was me.
She was even on the abortion table. But baulked. Her dad insisted the doctor carry on, but he would not.
14 years after I was born, she threw me out. She never told me she loved me once and beatings were server.
Anyway the meeting ended with a meeting set up. It was late, I was very distressed and all over the place.
They said that the spirit of rejection had retreated.
So another meeting was arranged.
Alas it did not happen due to illness of my counselors.
The husband was diagnosed with cancer and the wife was admitted to hospital with severe heart problems.
I was offered to be counseled by another couple but I refused.
I was open and I was Rae.
I could not cope with the prospect of having to open myself up again.
So I don't there anymore with regards to myself.
I still walk with the fear of rejection, the anxiety that goes with.
Anonymity is one of the reasons I joined here.
If you don't really know me then you can't reject me, bit if you do I'm being rejected by people I don't know either.
The above is my experience.
By the way to finish.
My mum and have been reconciled.
Praise God she is now a Christian.
God still worked through me and my wife. It took many many years.
The first time she told me she loved me was when I was about 30.
The funny thing was for the preceding 6 years she told my wife she loved her every time we went to visit..
As we left she would say "Love you Tori and that was that.
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Discernment is a gift and a must for all spiritually mature Christians. It involves discerning sound doctrine and not be tossing to and fro but knowing the truth in Christ.
Many are not spiritually mature, they do not display the gifts of the spirit of love, patience, joy, gentleness....they do not have agape love.
Many are not spiritually mature, they do not display the gifts of the spirit of love, patience, joy, gentleness....they do not have agape love.
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You are describing the fruit of the spirit which are fruit and not gifts.
~Gal 5:22-23~
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
~ 1 Cor 12:4-11
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; [SUP]9 [/SUP]to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
~Gal 5:22-23~
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
~ 1 Cor 12:4-11
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; [SUP]9 [/SUP]to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
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please show from scripture what you believe is the definition of a deliverance minister
unless you suffer from whatever ailment Paul had, this is just a very silly response from you
really. it is.
since you seem eager to stay in the discussion, let's have those verses that describe a deliverance minister
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have not quite heard that definition before
suppose one could say
Jesus our truth
Jesus is our righteousness
Jesus is the gospel or gospel message
Jesus is our salvation and He is the word...word sword of the spirit...what we do is in His name
and our faith in Him is our protection or shield
guess it could go that way
but I see the armor through both testaments and we can say Jesus is both
anyway, a good study and understanding the picture of the Roman soldier's defense in battle helps to remember it all
suppose one could say
Jesus our truth
Jesus is our righteousness
Jesus is the gospel or gospel message
Jesus is our salvation and He is the word...word sword of the spirit...what we do is in His name
and our faith in Him is our protection or shield
guess it could go that way
but I see the armor through both testaments and we can say Jesus is both
anyway, a good study and understanding the picture of the Roman soldier's defense in battle helps to remember it all
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we do choose, but not if you have a certain belief that tells you that you are basically chosen or not chosen
I sure don't want to start with that
right. God through Moses said 'Choose this day who you are going to serve' we make choices all day long
however, strongholds do occur and demonic footholds in people's lives do exist and many are far from grabbing the life preserver but instead are hoping to be pulled in with the rope someone threw them
I believe Paul wanted to create independence from people and dependence upon God and I see it that way...else how could anyone stand in the evil day as Ephesians states?
I don't think we have had the question of demons and Christians answered yet
I do believe demons can infiltrate a believers life or someone who becomes a believer can need to deal with the inroads made before they were saved
it is as simple as a choice but making many wrong choices has consequences
I sure don't want to start with that
right. God through Moses said 'Choose this day who you are going to serve' we make choices all day long
however, strongholds do occur and demonic footholds in people's lives do exist and many are far from grabbing the life preserver but instead are hoping to be pulled in with the rope someone threw them
I believe Paul wanted to create independence from people and dependence upon God and I see it that way...else how could anyone stand in the evil day as Ephesians states?
I don't think we have had the question of demons and Christians answered yet
I do believe demons can infiltrate a believers life or someone who becomes a believer can need to deal with the inroads made before they were saved
it is as simple as a choice but making many wrong choices has consequences
As I have said myself.
I do not think that a beliver can be demonically possessed.
I do believe though that they can be oppressed and vexed.
I personally do not believe in generational curses being passed on to a believer.
When a believer comes to Jesus they are a new creation, they are in Jesus.
But I do believe that a person who is not a believer can give the devil a foothold that carries over when they become a believer.
But I would also say that such a person may need another believers help and wisdom to help them.
I do not think that a beliver can be demonically possessed.
I do believe though that they can be oppressed and vexed.
I personally do not believe in generational curses being passed on to a believer.
When a believer comes to Jesus they are a new creation, they are in Jesus.
But I do believe that a person who is not a believer can give the devil a foothold that carries over when they become a believer.
But I would also say that such a person may need another believers help and wisdom to help them.
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yeah I have a problem with people digging and digging at someone especially if they see the hurt they cause
I do believe prayer is a very effective weapon ...Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. Philippians 4:6
everything is everything and God knows it all anyway. I don't hide things from God and I am pretty sure that has helped me through some touchy situations. when we take our thoughts captive, it simply means we bring them to God...even the most disturbing thing...He knows it anyway and does not reject us
it seems the first couple did have some insight into your situation but you cannot force people
I have had various understandings of how these things work and have come to believe that they continue to mess with us even when we or if someone or us thinks they are speaking through us...that sounds complicated I know
you are sensitive as your posts reveal...being sensitive myself I kind of cringe for you. I was painfully shy and embarrassed if asked to speak in class...and actually used to pray the teacher would not ask me anything and sometimes just went 'I don't know' even if I did know. It was awful and I also had a problem with rejection that I dealt with by acting like I didn't give two hoots.
I used to be more open about my life with Christians but sometimes it seems the more you say, will and can be used against you
I don't like some of the things I have gone through in this life very much, but seeing some of the reasons why, and how it has helped me, gives me encouragement even when I do not understand
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I would say I pretty much agree with this ^^^^^^^^
but I disagree about generational curses or perhaps should say that the jury is out on that one for me...I can say if you came from my family (and you know about families) you would understand why, but I am of the mind to leave that open for people
I don't think we can make doctrine from personal experiences, but nonetheless people do have experiences and I have certainly had my own with regards to dealing with the spiritual realm but I don't want to form edifices from those things, again because I have come to believe that the devil will dance us down the road ... any road...that leads to more false thinking
agreement with what God says is the right road and that has to deal with our minds and renewal by the word
I do not discount your experience but I do not like the pressure that was put on you.
but I disagree about generational curses or perhaps should say that the jury is out on that one for me...I can say if you came from my family (and you know about families) you would understand why, but I am of the mind to leave that open for people
I don't think we can make doctrine from personal experiences, but nonetheless people do have experiences and I have certainly had my own with regards to dealing with the spiritual realm but I don't want to form edifices from those things, again because I have come to believe that the devil will dance us down the road ... any road...that leads to more false thinking
agreement with what God says is the right road and that has to deal with our minds and renewal by the word
I do not discount your experience but I do not like the pressure that was put on you.
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I just thought of something and came back to add it
we don't grow up spiritually all at once anymore than we grow up physically all at once
years ago I believe God gave me a thought about someone that I immediately rejected because it was a warning about a person I trusted completely and I thought to myself that thought must have come from the devil
today, many years later, I found that thought was 100% true but I could not accept it
I guess you can ask why would God give a person that kind of enlightenment if He knows they won't act on it?
the only thing I can think of, is that when they do see the same thing, they might consider other things they are waffling about LOL!
anyway, we cannot begin to conceive of the greatness of God or His care for us!
we don't grow up spiritually all at once anymore than we grow up physically all at once
years ago I believe God gave me a thought about someone that I immediately rejected because it was a warning about a person I trusted completely and I thought to myself that thought must have come from the devil
today, many years later, I found that thought was 100% true but I could not accept it
I guess you can ask why would God give a person that kind of enlightenment if He knows they won't act on it?
the only thing I can think of, is that when they do see the same thing, they might consider other things they are waffling about LOL!
anyway, we cannot begin to conceive of the greatness of God or His care for us!
It's a mishmash.
You say he knows it anyway.
Praise God he does.
Believe it or not, but God is using me in my church.
Basically walking with non believers and also struggling believers.
When they say that they are struggling or feel guilty and are ashamed to come before God.
I say "Bring it before God, he knows everything about you, and he will not be surprised by what you want to tell him, in fact he wants you to be honest and come before him, if you do then he can work"
Very sad when believers open up and it's used against them.
I have determined in my life even if I don't get it for myself it is the truth and that is what I will tell people.
This is the truth (don't tell them I don't get it for me)
But if it's the truth he will set us free.
You say he knows it anyway.
Praise God he does.
Believe it or not, but God is using me in my church.
Basically walking with non believers and also struggling believers.
When they say that they are struggling or feel guilty and are ashamed to come before God.
I say "Bring it before God, he knows everything about you, and he will not be surprised by what you want to tell him, in fact he wants you to be honest and come before him, if you do then he can work"
Very sad when believers open up and it's used against them.
I have determined in my life even if I don't get it for myself it is the truth and that is what I will tell people.
This is the truth (don't tell them I don't get it for me)
But if it's the truth he will set us free.
Ah generational curses.
To be honest I'm can't say I truly disagree either.
I see patterns in believers that are carried over from the curse of the previous generations.
But I do think that curse was broken and is broken in a believer.
The question is, if it's carried over how is the believer relesed from this.
Enjoying talking with you by the way.
To be honest I'm can't say I truly disagree either.
I see patterns in believers that are carried over from the curse of the previous generations.
But I do think that curse was broken and is broken in a believer.
The question is, if it's carried over how is the believer relesed from this.
Enjoying talking with you by the way.
Most Christians oppose themselves and are taken captive by Satan at his will (oppression). Acts 10:38 KJV
If any born-again Christian Faith is not placed and maintained exclusively in Jesus Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, the bible says we oppose our own selves and then taken captive by Satan at his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26). This is called the "Law of sin and death." The only law that is more powerful than the "Law of sin and death," is "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2)." Failure to place your Faith in who Jesus is and what Jesus has done, frustrates Grace and the Cross of Christ becomes of no benefit to you (Gal. 5:4). The Believer now enters the work of the flesh (Gal. 5:19-21) and the sin nature is revived and they are taken captive by Satan through bondage and sin.
I am not speaking about acts of sin, but spiritual adultery that is very serious! The scripture teaches us that when the hedge comes down, the serpent will bite (Ecclesiastes 10:8).
The servant of God is the deliverance minister who God has anointed (2 Timothy 2:24-26).
If any born-again Christian Faith is not placed and maintained exclusively in Jesus Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, the bible says we oppose our own selves and then taken captive by Satan at his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26). This is called the "Law of sin and death." The only law that is more powerful than the "Law of sin and death," is "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2)." Failure to place your Faith in who Jesus is and what Jesus has done, frustrates Grace and the Cross of Christ becomes of no benefit to you (Gal. 5:4). The Believer now enters the work of the flesh (Gal. 5:19-21) and the sin nature is revived and they are taken captive by Satan through bondage and sin.
I am not speaking about acts of sin, but spiritual adultery that is very serious! The scripture teaches us that when the hedge comes down, the serpent will bite (Ecclesiastes 10:8).
The servant of God is the deliverance minister who God has anointed (2 Timothy 2:24-26).
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