DEMONS HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHTS! spotting false spiritual warfare doctrines 101

[Abiding]

Agreed. There are few things that are so tiresome as those hypercharismatic wackos.

dont forget the paperback scholars ...they get some credit too.


Acts 4:25-28
King James Version (KJV)
25Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

26The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.



They only have the right to obey God.

 

[Abiding]

Satan had every right. We know this how?

1. Jesus did not say he had no right. If Satan had no right, he would have said so.
2. Satan could have given Jesus the earth. If Satan had no claim with with to base his offer. Than Jesus would have correctly said, You do not have any right, or power to give me what you are offering.


The world as a whole might belong to God. But the people who inhabit the earth (if they are not saved. Belong to satan. Jesus even calls Satan their father..Because they are his. And will be unless they come to Christ.

Be careful with human logic...first of all...Jesus didnt reason with the devil..He just quoted scripture.
So neither should we....Can you build doctrine on what the devil says? Maybe he could lie? Ya think?
"Jesus would have said"....is not at all correct. many false doctrines have been spun out of that.
The bible has many verses that show God is sovereign over all that the devil claimed.

Actually to get technical and biblical...you got it backwards. God is sovereign over all the earth
and satan over the world(evil system) which is under Gods authority.


Whom you yield yourselves servants to obey is your master..romans...is how it goes under
Gods authority.

 

[Abiding]

Satan had every right. We know this how?

1. Jesus did not say he had no right. If Satan had no right, he would have said so.
2. Satan could have given Jesus the earth. If Satan had no claim with with to base his offer. Than Jesus would have correctly said, You do not have any right, or power to give me what you are offering.


The world as a whole might belong to God. But the people who inhabit the earth (if they are not saved. Belong to satan. Jesus even calls Satan their father..Because they are his. And will be unless they come to Christ.

Also although the unsaved are in the grip of Satan..its only as a result of their fallen nature(Gods wrath)
not from any rights of the devil. And what Jesus said to the pharisees...since they worshipped
satan(baal) He could say their Father was the devil(since he was)....this doesnt apply to all the lost..or should
we make a doctrine from it.

 

[AnandaHya]

Also although the unsaved are in the grip of Satan..its only as a result of their fallen nature(Gods wrath)
not from any rights of the devil. And what Jesus said to the pharisees...since they worshipped
satan(baal) He could say their Father was the devil(since he was)....this doesnt apply to all the lost..or should
we make a doctrine from it.

thanks Abiding, it saves me the trouble of typing too much.

I'll just reference the Bible verses you mentioned in your post.


Colossians 1:15-17

New King James Version (NKJV)

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Psalm 72

8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea,
And from the River to the ends of the earth.
9 Those who dwell in the wilderness will bow before Him,
And His enemies will lick the dust.
10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles
Will bring presents;
The kings of Sheba and Seba
Will offer gifts.
11 Yes, all kings shall fall down before Him;
All nations shall serve Him.

12 For He will deliver the needy when he cries,
The poor also, and him who has no helper.
13 He will spare the poor and needy,
And will save the souls of the needy.
14 He will redeem their life from oppression and violence;
And precious shall be their blood in His sight

now does the HE refer to JESUS or Satan?

 

[tribesman]

dont forget the paperback scholars ...they get some credit too..

You're right. There would be a few of them too.

 

[Israel]

Matthew 4:5
(5) Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Matthew 4:8-9
(8) Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
(9) And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

So are you saying that this happened within His own mind? That it didn't really happen?

2 Corinthians 11:14
(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The Bible says that Satan transforms into an angel of light, so he would have appeared as an angel of light to Christ. Just because you have not seen it does not mean it is not true. Satan will appear as someone good to deceive.

Yes, that's what I am saying. If you were Him, what struggle would you go through internally KNOWING you were in the form of Almighty God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God?

Our struggles are from within. Why believe His to be different? These verses are written in such a way not for Him to visualize, but for our sakes.

 

[Abiding]

Yes, that's what I am saying. If you were Him, what struggle would you go through internally KNOWING you were in the form of Almighty God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God?

Our struggles are from within. Why believe His to be different? These verses are written in such a way not for Him to visualize, but for our sakes.

We have both internal and external struggles. We have a sin nature.

Jesus had no draw in Him to sin...He had no sin nature for satan to
work with. Jesus only had to fight against His own(internal) will not sin nature.

So thats a big difference. Thats why He told us to die to self and obey
Gods will. Resist sin and humble ourselves before God.

 

[yaright]

HAHA. Did God really say...? That's a pretty old tactic wouldn't you say?

I think the bible is Truth and what comes up against the word of God should be questioned as to its motive.

Actually, creation language reveals that Jesus was tempted in several parts written of in the New Testament.
Rather than simply reading useless words, a person needs to put the shoes on and live out the witness to see the things which take (present tense) place in the bible. If a person considers the bible as nothing more that something that took place some two thousand years ago, what took place will not be revealed to that person.

 

[AnandaHya]

here is a challenge if anyone wants to take it up:

where does it say in the Bible that demons have rights?

I think God tells us that Satan was made to be tread upon not placed in a position of authority over humanity but to be heal bitters or BELOW humanity.

Genesis 3
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“ Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

WHO is Dominion given to?

Revelation 1:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed[a] us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

so does Jesus rule NOW or not?

Colossians 2:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Be careful with human logic...first of all...Jesus didnt reason with the devil..He just quoted scripture.
So neither should we....Can you build doctrine on what the devil says? Maybe he could lie? Ya think?
"Jesus would have said"....is not at all correct. many false doctrines have been spun out of that.
The bible has many verses that show God is sovereign over all that the devil claimed.

Actually to get technical and biblical...you got it backwards. God is sovereign over all the earth
and satan over the world(evil system) which is under Gods authority.


Whom you yield yourselves servants to obey is your master..romans...is how it goes under
Gods authority.

1. Jesus himself calls Satan the "ruler of this world"
2. Jesus did not reason with him. Yet if Satan did not have the authority to do those things. Jesus would have flat out told him so. Just like he did the rulers. when he told them they had no power over him. and coiuld do nothing unless the father allowed it.
3. It is foolish to think Satan has no control over this world. In fact. to think he had no control would be foolish. Because it would say God is the author of the evil that so ensnares the world.
4. OT Examples. Gabriel. an angel of God. was stopped and had to be granted permission by the fallen angel who ruled that part of the world.


There are way to many examples to show they do have power and dominion. That is why Satan fought so hard to decieve Adam and Eve. He wanted dominion over the earth.

Also. Temptation. Temptation which is impossible is not temptation. If Satan did not have the ability to give Christ what he offered. he could never have tempted him with it. There would be no temptation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Also although the unsaved are in the grip of Satan..its only as a result of their fallen nature(Gods wrath)
not from any rights of the devil. And what Jesus said to the pharisees...since they worshipped
satan(baal) He could say their Father was the devil(since he was)....this doesnt apply to all the lost..or should
we make a doctrine from it.

Satan is the ruler of darkness. The Cosmos system. If you do not belong to Christ. You still belong to the cosmos system. And satan is your father. If you never come to Christ. You will suffer the same punishment as your father, Satan.

Again, it is dangerous to think Satan has no control. He has it until he is bound for the 1000 years. Until then he controls kings, rulers and people with influence all over the world.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

1. Jesus himself calls Satan the "ruler of this world"
2. Jesus did not reason with him. Yet if Satan did not have the authority to do those things. Jesus would have flat out told him so. Just like he did the rulers. when he told them they had no power over him. and coiuld do nothing unless the father allowed it.
3. It is foolish to think Satan has no control over this world. In fact. to think he had no control would be foolish. Because it would say God is the author of the evil that so ensnares the world.
4. OT Examples. Gabriel. an angel of God. was stopped and had to be granted permission by the fallen angel who ruled that part of the world.


There are way to many examples to show they do have power and dominion. That is why Satan fought so hard to decieve Adam and Eve. He wanted dominion over the earth.

Also. Temptation. Temptation which is impossible is not temptation. If Satan did not have the ability to give Christ what he offered. he could never have tempted him with it. There would be no temptation.

First of all Gabriel never had to get permission. The word "permission" is not in the text. The Bible never said that, and the offer of temptation is always stupid. The devil had nothing to offer Jesus that Jesus doesn't have already. Jesus has more power than the devil could offer.

Ephesians 1:20 "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:"

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Notice Jesus has "all power" in "heaven and in earth" not just heaven. You give the Devil too much authority in your post. And you forget that temptation to sin is always stupid. You make it sound like temptation has something to offer. God has more to offer than temptation to sin will ever have to offer. It is a bad deal and Jesus knew that. What the devil says does not have to be true or even a good idea. Think of all the sins people are tempted to do; it is not a good idea. It is not a good trade. So why do you believe the devil had something to offer? Do you believe the devil has something to offer you? Is it not true that the devil really has nothing to offer? It is not worth losing your salvation. And Jesus was not going to worship Satan because it was a stupid deal.

 

[cronjecj]

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

When Jesus returns He will take over but until then be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

 

[MaggieMye]

Demons have no legal rights? Your lack of knowledge is showing.

You commit adultery, a demon of lust has a right to attack you. You lie, a demon of deceipt has a right to attack you..to fill you with lies and to cause you to accept lies as truth. You steal money, a demon of spiritual and physical POVERTY has a right to influence your life. Don't be so ignorant. Grow up and recognize the tactics of the enemy AND the protocol of BOTH spiritual realms.

Maggie

 

[Grandpa]

Colossians 1:10-14 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Demons have no legal rights over us because we have been saved by the Lord Jesus. We have been delivered from the Power of Darkness and translated into the Kingdom of His dear Son. I don't know for sure if they ever had any legal rights but before you are saved you are bound by the power of darkness just because you don't realize there is anything else. Is that a legal right? I don't necessarily think so. Its just a power. But I suppose if something has power over you it must feel it has the right...

 

[AnandaHya]

Demons have no legal rights? Your lack of knowledge is showing. your self deception and judgmental heart is showing.

You commit adultery, a demon of lust has a right to attack you. wrong, the demon of lust is already living inside of you.

You lie, a demon of deceipt has a right to attack you. wrong you lie because you have strongholds of lies that war against the knowledge of God, the demon has no rights, it just steals and devours.

.to fill you with lies and to cause you to accept lies as truth. yes the demon made me do it God, its not my fault... another lie you like to fed people Maggie?

You steal money, a demon of spiritual and physical POVERTY has a right to influence your life. you make up a demon for every sin but the Bible does not speak like that. demons lie but you like your delusions.

Don't be so ignorant. I'm not the one lacking in knowledge in this aspect. I know the difference between the iniquity of the flesh and actual demons. the difference between the imagination of men and the reality of pure evil.

Grow up and recognize the tactics of the enemy AND the protocol of BOTH spiritual realms.

Maggie

you have no clue about the rules and the protocols of the spirit realm Maggie.

you just like playing with your pet demons and repeating their lies while pretending they are angels or divinely inspired. .

 

[Abiding]

1. Jesus himself calls Satan the "ruler of this world"
2. Jesus did not reason with him. Yet if Satan did not have the authority to do those things. Jesus would have flat out told him so. Just like he did the rulers. when he told them they had no power over him. and coiuld do nothing unless the father allowed it.
3. It is foolish to think Satan has no control over this world. In fact. to think he had no control would be foolish. Because it would say God is the author of the evil that so ensnares the world.
4. OT Examples. Gabriel. an angel of God. was stopped and had to be granted permission by the fallen angel who ruled that part of the world.


There are way to many examples to show they do have power and dominion. That is why Satan fought so hard to decieve Adam and Eve. He wanted dominion over the earth.

Also. Temptation. Temptation which is impossible is not temptation. If Satan did not have the ability to give Christ what he offered. he could never have tempted him with it. There would be no temptation.

#1 ruler over the fallen world system, not the earth. But under Gods authority
#2 no! satan is a liar. I understand your thinking. but it isnt true. Dozen verses show that.
Psalm 22:28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations.
Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established his throne in heaven, and his kingdom rules over all.

For the Lord Most High is awesome; He is
a great King over all the earth... For
God is the King of all the earth; Sing
praises with understanding. God reigns
over the nations; God sits on His holy
throne. (Psalm 47:2, 7-8 Psalm 66:7. Psalm 67:4........
Duet4:39 Today realize and carefully consider that the Lord is God in heaven above and on earth below – there is no other!
ps95:3 For the Lord is a great God, a great king who is superior to all gods. 135:5 Yes, I know the Lord is great, and our Lord is superior to all gods.
#3 your wrong here bro. Satan answers to God..yet i already said he has limited control over the fallen
world system.
#4 Your drawing the wrong conclusion out of this if you think for a minute that God did not decree this.

We all know that God is in control of Satan and uses all his doings to work for good. Its not that any of Gods
creation can frustriate His will or even be a surprise or challenge.

 

[Laodicea]

Yes, that's what I am saying. If you were Him, what struggle would you go through internally KNOWING you were in the form of Almighty God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God?

Our struggles are from within. Why believe His to be different? These verses are written in such a way not for Him to visualize, but for our sakes.

Just because you have not seen it does not mean it is not true. It is there, it is not for us to put our own ideas into it and explain the Bible away. There are many stories in the Bible that we do not see in everyday life. Like Jonah in the whale, people put into a furnace and not being burnt, shall I name some more?

Satan would have appeared to Christ as an angel of light an angel from heaven in order to deceive Christ, now God's angel's do appear to people so for Satan to appear as an angel from heaven would have made the temptation much harder.
2 Corinthians 11:14
(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

 

[Abiding]

Demons have no legal rights? Your lack of knowledge is showing.

You commit adultery, a demon of lust has a right to attack you. You lie, a demon of deceipt has a right to attack you..to fill you with lies and to cause you to accept lies as truth. You steal money, a demon of spiritual and physical POVERTY has a right to influence your life. Don't be so ignorant. Grow up and recognize the tactics of the enemy AND the protocol of BOTH spiritual realms.

Maggie

Maggie show me scripture about a demon of lust, about a demon of deceipt, a demon of spiritual and physical
poverty. One verse for each would be sufficient.

Also explain BOTH spiritual realms....and where you got these socalled protocals....paperback books
dont count...this is a bible forum. thankyou.

 

[StaceyLynn]

Plus let us not forget He was tempted in all points as we are. I don't know about you all, but satan never literally appeared to me.

Satan isn't going to appear as an obvious person. Remember when Jesus rebuked Peter, 'Get behind me Satan.'? Remember that in biblical history, he is a created being, an angel, all of which are lovely. He's going to appear promising to be the best looking thing you've ever seen, with just enough biblical truth to trick your mind into believing that what he says is real.

There are certain situations in my life where I have felt in that moment the urge to repeat Jesus' words above...