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maggie you have misunderstood almost every scripture you have posted.
"evil" is not referring to rebellion against God but more accurately translated as trials and tribulations that chastens His children when they stray. He assigns His angels to do this not DEMONS, fallen or otherwise.
Angels are known though out the Bible as messengers from God but they are also harbringers of destruction, example: Sodom and Gommarrah.
God did not use Satan or Demons to destroy that city, He used ANGELS.
Satan is a demon and he is a Fallen Angel. Whether he is Lucifer or not is a different discussion. the Bible verse is as follows though you will probably twist it too because it does not fit your theology:
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
you can continue to believe whatever lies you choose but I will continue showing you that the Bible shows that they are demonically inspired LIES.
PS. Selena the war has been waging since Eve was fooled by the Serpent. this thread is just a verbal expression of it. Satan wants people to believe lies so they will remain in darkness.
do you know the rest of the verse?
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
King James Version (KJV)
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
those claiming to apostles have direct demonic influences, the others who follow are deceived but by their own flesh and most do not have their own personal demons, just false strongholds in their mind that war against God.
Rules of the Spirit Realm:
1. There are two laws at work in the world today. BOTH are God ordained and governed by His angels and His creation. Demons are lawless and try to tempt people from following either one.
the first was given by Moses through the Angels and is a moral code but so strict that most break it and have to offer sacrifice for their sin so they will be able to be blameless again. innocent blood of animals must be shed to cover their sins.
the second is the Law given by Jesus accompanied by His Holy Spirit who guides and leads people personally and empowers them to be able to do the good works He ordains for them to do. who plants the seeds of His Word and His righteousness in the Hearts of His children: Peace, Joy, Love, Patience or long suffering, Faith, Kindness, Self control, etc.
the second is accompanied by a Divine pardon that grants mercy and grace upon the followers. the First is more like the judical system we have in the world. If you do wrong you will be punished so you might learn to do right.
Therefore if you do not follow the second, if you do not follow the Holy Spirit but walk in the flesh then you fall under the first Law and you will be punished accordingly. NOT by demons but by angels under God's commands to get you to have godly sorrow and repent and turn back to GOD.
However demons come into the equation to get you to think you don't need GOD, you have a right to do what you are doing, they do not punish those who do evil. they tempt them to continue doing it.
they whisper lies like they are responsible for your punishment when it was God ordained and how THEY now have legal rights to do whatever they want to you because you have sinned and God has forsaken you. they whisper so many lies I could fill the page with them but I would rather speak of God's truth that silences all their lies.
Do you know it?
do you know the correct response?
Even if I am unfaithful, God is faithful. He can restore me. I will hold onto my faith and Pray for His deliverance. LORD hear my prayer. Help me to have a humble and contrite heart. Help me to overcome evil with God. Help me to do YOUR Will Lord. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3lwGQNRf8[/video]
anyways I'm off to work.
May God's peace be upon His children and His light shine through all lies and deceptions the Enemy may try to use to enslave, entrap or make us stumble. Remember always God's love and light His light reflect to all those who you encounter this day. the Blessings of Jesus be upon you. Amen.
"evil" is not referring to rebellion against God but more accurately translated as trials and tribulations that chastens His children when they stray. He assigns His angels to do this not DEMONS, fallen or otherwise.
Angels are known though out the Bible as messengers from God but they are also harbringers of destruction, example: Sodom and Gommarrah.
God did not use Satan or Demons to destroy that city, He used ANGELS.
Satan is a demon and he is a Fallen Angel. Whether he is Lucifer or not is a different discussion. the Bible verse is as follows though you will probably twist it too because it does not fit your theology:
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
you can continue to believe whatever lies you choose but I will continue showing you that the Bible shows that they are demonically inspired LIES.
PS. Selena the war has been waging since Eve was fooled by the Serpent. this thread is just a verbal expression of it. Satan wants people to believe lies so they will remain in darkness.
do you know the rest of the verse?
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
King James Version (KJV)
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
those claiming to apostles have direct demonic influences, the others who follow are deceived but by their own flesh and most do not have their own personal demons, just false strongholds in their mind that war against God.
Rules of the Spirit Realm:
1. There are two laws at work in the world today. BOTH are God ordained and governed by His angels and His creation. Demons are lawless and try to tempt people from following either one.
the first was given by Moses through the Angels and is a moral code but so strict that most break it and have to offer sacrifice for their sin so they will be able to be blameless again. innocent blood of animals must be shed to cover their sins.
the second is the Law given by Jesus accompanied by His Holy Spirit who guides and leads people personally and empowers them to be able to do the good works He ordains for them to do. who plants the seeds of His Word and His righteousness in the Hearts of His children: Peace, Joy, Love, Patience or long suffering, Faith, Kindness, Self control, etc.
the second is accompanied by a Divine pardon that grants mercy and grace upon the followers. the First is more like the judical system we have in the world. If you do wrong you will be punished so you might learn to do right.
Therefore if you do not follow the second, if you do not follow the Holy Spirit but walk in the flesh then you fall under the first Law and you will be punished accordingly. NOT by demons but by angels under God's commands to get you to have godly sorrow and repent and turn back to GOD.
However demons come into the equation to get you to think you don't need GOD, you have a right to do what you are doing, they do not punish those who do evil. they tempt them to continue doing it.
they whisper lies like they are responsible for your punishment when it was God ordained and how THEY now have legal rights to do whatever they want to you because you have sinned and God has forsaken you. they whisper so many lies I could fill the page with them but I would rather speak of God's truth that silences all their lies.
Do you know it?
do you know the correct response?
Even if I am unfaithful, God is faithful. He can restore me. I will hold onto my faith and Pray for His deliverance. LORD hear my prayer. Help me to have a humble and contrite heart. Help me to overcome evil with God. Help me to do YOUR Will Lord. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3lwGQNRf8[/video]
anyways I'm off to work.
May God's peace be upon His children and His light shine through all lies and deceptions the Enemy may try to use to enslave, entrap or make us stumble. Remember always God's love and light His light reflect to all those who you encounter this day. the Blessings of Jesus be upon you. Amen.
That is not what the bible says.
Ezekiel 28:
17) Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Satan and the angels (demons) that followed him will be destroyed permanently.
Ezekiel 28:
17) Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Satan and the angels (demons) that followed him will be destroyed permanently.
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So we receive love and forgiveness from our Father, but angels receive no mercy? What does God actually destroy?
Isaiah 25:6-8
6And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
If God created the destroyer to destroy, will the Father now show him no mercy when he simply does what he was created to do?
Isaiah 25:6-8
6And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
If God created the destroyer to destroy, will the Father now show him no mercy when he simply does what he was created to do?
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Isaiah 54:16
16Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Lucifer was once in the truth. Satan however was a murderer from the BEGINNING. There is no truth in him. Lucifer dies as a MAN. That covering veil will be destroyed.
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it depends.
God will still reach out to them and try to get them to repent and turn from their sin. How He does this might seem to be an attack or a bunch of misfortune to the eyes of the world but cause the person to have godly sorrow and turn from sin. He does this to teach His children right from wrong. sometimes chastening is not pleasant while it is happening but bears the peaceful fruit of righteousness.
Sometimes you see though people who do not suffer even though they are horrible sinners, they oppress people and God does not punish them.
I heard a sermon that explained it. that God does not chastens Satan's family for this is all the Heaven they will ever get and this is the Hell we, the children of God will ever experience.
So God protects and gives grace to whom HE chooses but what grace is might not be what a lot of people desire because it cleanse you of all sin but the cleansing process might not be pleasant.... if that makes any sense.
anyways I've got to go. hugs little sis. ttyl.
God will still reach out to them and try to get them to repent and turn from their sin. How He does this might seem to be an attack or a bunch of misfortune to the eyes of the world but cause the person to have godly sorrow and turn from sin. He does this to teach His children right from wrong. sometimes chastening is not pleasant while it is happening but bears the peaceful fruit of righteousness.
Sometimes you see though people who do not suffer even though they are horrible sinners, they oppress people and God does not punish them.
I heard a sermon that explained it. that God does not chastens Satan's family for this is all the Heaven they will ever get and this is the Hell we, the children of God will ever experience.
So God protects and gives grace to whom HE chooses but what grace is might not be what a lot of people desire because it cleanse you of all sin but the cleansing process might not be pleasant.... if that makes any sense.
anyways I've got to go. hugs little sis. ttyl.
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Satan owns nothing, has nothing to give but lies and deception. This is theoretically correct. However, those that are lost will are claimed by the kingdom of darkness, by Satan as his. He works overtime to assure that they do not enter the Kingdom of heaven. He does not OWN them, yet man not serving God worships, in one way or another, Satan.
you can continue to believe whatever lies you choose but I will continue showing you that the Bible shows that they are demonically inspired LIES. I have given you scripture to support the truth that I share. Deal with it.
You want to give the world to Satan when God has already given the world to JESUS. On the Contrary: God gave US to Jesus. He gave the world to Adam to have dominion over and Adam gave it to Satan through his disobedience.
You want to justify why you don't have the power you want by making others "unworthy" in your mind and heart of why you can't heal them, of why you can't cast out their demons instead of recognizing God's truth. FYI, I DO lay hands on the sick and see them recover. I do cast out demons and they leave...and once the leave the person DOES recognize God's truth. So stop accusing about things you know nothing of.
You are doing the work of Satan and all we can do is pray that God have mercy upon your soul. Yeah, right. Setting people free from demonic bondage is the work of Satan. Bringing people into understanding of the dynamics of the spiritual realms is the work of Satan when God's own Word says "My people perish for lack of knowledge". Whatever.
if the lost were truly Satan's then why don't they just die upon his command? why does he "seek" to kill them? Satan can only kill IF God allows it. What don't you get? Scripture says that he goes about seeking whom he can kill. "1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" I don't know if you realize this or not, but if you have been devoured...you are DEAD.
Perhaps because they were never Satan's but always GOD's CREATION. God's creation, yes...and made in His image too. But that does not negate the FACT that those that are not saved belong to the Lord: John 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day." John 17:9 "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; "John 17:12
"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." John 17:24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am..."
"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." John 17:24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am..."
Satan does not create. I never said he did. You shame yourself by putting words in my mouth.
Satan STEALS and LIES and you believe his lies. that is your choice but it is still a lie. Hardly. I believe that God is who He says He is and did what His word says He did and that with Christ in me, I have access to all that He was, is and will ever be. Because THAT is what being a Holy Spirit empowered Christian is all about.
there is a difference between temptation of the flesh and temptation of demons. Not really. It is ALL spiritual. Scripture tells us to RESIST THE ENEMY and HE shall flee. They flesh cannot flee. Bottom line.
You probably never encountered a demon you did not place in another or you would know the difference. This sentence does not make sense. ...like I could put a demon into a person? Wow...you must think I'm quite powerful. Regardless you would be W R O N G.
I have stared into the eyes of the demon possessed and prayed with them and seen God's angels cast the demons into the abyss. Good for you. I have commanded demons to leave and they leave. But is this really a contest??
I did nothing but pray and watch God and His angels work. then stayed and prayed some more and read scipture and talk and help the person heal. giving them the time and the love that God ordained for them to heal. not through any work of mine but through the leading of the Holy Spirit. And? What is your point? Healing and deliverance go hand in hand.
I could give you the "protocols of the spirit world" and even include the Bible verses pertaining to each point but you are surrounded still by demons so when they leave or made to leave perhaps we will talk. How is it that from sitting where you are, you can see me and see that I am surrounded by demons? Are you God? No. And so you can't. I am covered in the Blood of Christ and His angels surround me for my protection. But you say these vile things to me because my words have caused a stir in your spirit and the demons of fear and pride are harassing you. Note: I did NOT say you were possessed, so don't go there.
it is not my ignorance of the spirit realm that is at issue but the lies demons speak that people who are too prideful to read and understand scripture correctly fall prey to. And I can say the same to you.
DEMONS have NO LEGAL RIGHTS!!! Read Act 19: But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, “I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Seven sons of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, “I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?” The demons had a legal right FROM GOD to not have to obey anyone that was not OF GOD...as in followers of Jesus.16 And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17
Mark 5 "
They came to the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gerasenes. 2 When He got out of the boat, immediately a man from the tombs with an unclean spirit met Him, 3 and he had his dwelling among the tombs. And no one was able to bind him anymore, even with a chain; 4 because he had often been bound with shackles and chains, and the chains had been torn apart by him and the shackles broken in pieces, and no one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Constantly, night and day, he was screaming among the tombs and in the mountains, and gashing himself with stones. 6 Seeing Jesus from a distance, he ran up and bowed down before Him; 7 and shouting with a loud voice, he *said, “[a]What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!” 8 For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!” 9 And He was asking him, “What is your name?” And he *said to Him, “My name is Legion; for we are many.” 10 And he began to implore Him earnestly not to send them out of the country.(This was a principality, not just a demon) 11 Now there was a large herd of swine feeding nearby on the mountain. 12 The demons implored Him, saying, “Send us into the swine so that we may enter them.” 13 Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea. Same scene, different writer:
Mt 8:23 "When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way. 29 And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
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before the time SHOWS that they knew they had a right to be where they were for a specified amount of time. This, again, proves that demons have legal rights and THEY KNOW IT.
Mt 12:43 "" “Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will
"I will" shows they have a free will also...which includes legal rights. For where there are no legal rights, there is no need for a will. return to my house MY HOUSE. You have a RIGHT to live in YOUR house. from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."And because the house is swept clean an unoccupied with the Holy Spirit, it has a RIGHT to bring in seven other spirits more wicked than itself. You cannot read these verse and not see that demons do have rights....unless you have an unteachable spirit. Then you have the right to not believe.
its a lie demons whisper in the ear of the undiscerning I have shown otherwise.
maggie you have misunderstood almost every scripture you have posted. On the contrary, it is you that does not have understanding.
"evil" is not referring to rebellion against God but more accurately translated as trials and tribulations that chastens His children when they stray. He assigns His angels to do this not DEMONS, fallen or otherwise. Check your concordance. Evil (Strongs 4190) = Bad, the negative quality of an object; evil, wicked, crim, the negative moral quality of a person or action opposed to God and His goodness; wicked deed, wicked thing; then Evil One, a title of Satan; evil, wicked, wicked one, had, evils, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wickedness.;
Angels are known though out the Bible as messengers from God but they are also harbringers of destruction, example: Sodom and Gommarrah. Doing God's will. So...point?
God did not use Satan or Demons to destroy that city, He used ANGELS. Yes, and so? What is your point? That whole scenario is irrelevant to this topic.
Satan is a demon and he is a Fallen Angel. Nowhere in Scripture does it EVER say that Satan is a "demon". He is a devil and an angel. Why is it so hard for you to conceive that demons are simply demons, in and of themselves. Would it change anything about how we deal with them? NO!! Whether he is Lucifer or not is a different discussion. the Bible verse is as follows though you will probably twist it too because it does not fit your theology:
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. You grossly miss the point of this verse. Satan was created an angel and will always BE an angel. In the beginning, before his fall, he was the angel of MUSIC! Is 14: Your pomp and the music of your harps
Have been brought down to Sheol;
Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you
And worms are your covering.’
12 “How you have fallen from heaven,
O star of the morning, son of the dawn! THIS IS LUCIFER!! / SATAN!
"evil" is not referring to rebellion against God but more accurately translated as trials and tribulations that chastens His children when they stray. He assigns His angels to do this not DEMONS, fallen or otherwise. Check your concordance. Evil (Strongs 4190) = Bad, the negative quality of an object; evil, wicked, crim, the negative moral quality of a person or action opposed to God and His goodness; wicked deed, wicked thing; then Evil One, a title of Satan; evil, wicked, wicked one, had, evils, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wickedness.;
Angels are known though out the Bible as messengers from God but they are also harbringers of destruction, example: Sodom and Gommarrah. Doing God's will. So...point?
God did not use Satan or Demons to destroy that city, He used ANGELS. Yes, and so? What is your point? That whole scenario is irrelevant to this topic.
Satan is a demon and he is a Fallen Angel. Nowhere in Scripture does it EVER say that Satan is a "demon". He is a devil and an angel. Why is it so hard for you to conceive that demons are simply demons, in and of themselves. Would it change anything about how we deal with them? NO!! Whether he is Lucifer or not is a different discussion. the Bible verse is as follows though you will probably twist it too because it does not fit your theology:
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. You grossly miss the point of this verse. Satan was created an angel and will always BE an angel. In the beginning, before his fall, he was the angel of MUSIC! Is 14: Your pomp and the music of your harps
Have been brought down to Sheol;
Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you
And worms are your covering.’
12 “How you have fallen from heaven,
O star of the morning, son of the dawn! THIS IS LUCIFER!! / SATAN!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!
You who have weakened the nations!
Yes, Satan deceives people and manifests AS an angel of light, but he is NOT an angel of LIGHT, he is an angel of darkness and death.
you can continue to believe whatever lies you choose but I will continue showing you that the Bible shows that they are demonically inspired LIES. I have given you scripture to support the truth that I share. Deal with it.
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As long as that man chose to turn away from God's Word, lacking discernment of the things of God is a vessal that is in fact a legal place for demons. Jesus demonstrated for those who carefully consider what He had done. Jesus sent the demons out of the man; not because he was filled with demons; Jesus sent the demons into the swine AFTER the man turned away from the filthy creature nature in him, and began to worship Jesus. It was at that very moment that the man then, became an illegal vessel for demons.
The only thing that is legal for demons is in a nature of a man who does not carefully consider God's word as food for his own soul. The is the reason law was given in the first place. To not eat pork will not save a man; But to not partake of the nature of the swine which does not carefully consider its food is the very image of the parable language of the demons possessed man. Jesus made sure this would be understood if a person carefully considers what had taken place in ALL that parable language. To not see this is like saying that we did not sin, that we ALWAYS carefully consider the Word of God as food for our soul. And those who have repented of their sins know full well that we had taken the nature of a creature that does not carefully consider God's word. It is for this reason that we became a legal vessel for evil, as in this teaching parable of the swine and the demon possessed man. Jesus gave us this language according to the things that we can see; But He did this to teach us about things we cannot see. So if a person considers this parable according to the things he or she can see; Then they fall in the category that Jesus spoke of, "If you say you can see, you remain in your sin." Peter and all the disciples did according to the things they could see, and every time they did this, Jesus corrected them. In this manner of language, I am not saying that a follower of Christ is going to hell because they do according to the things they can see. What I am saying is if a person carefully reads over that parable language as if Jesus is speak directly to the person who read that parable, that person will be corrected.
The only thing that is legal for demons is in a nature of a man who does not carefully consider God's word as food for his own soul. The is the reason law was given in the first place. To not eat pork will not save a man; But to not partake of the nature of the swine which does not carefully consider its food is the very image of the parable language of the demons possessed man. Jesus made sure this would be understood if a person carefully considers what had taken place in ALL that parable language. To not see this is like saying that we did not sin, that we ALWAYS carefully consider the Word of God as food for our soul. And those who have repented of their sins know full well that we had taken the nature of a creature that does not carefully consider God's word. It is for this reason that we became a legal vessel for evil, as in this teaching parable of the swine and the demon possessed man. Jesus gave us this language according to the things that we can see; But He did this to teach us about things we cannot see. So if a person considers this parable according to the things he or she can see; Then they fall in the category that Jesus spoke of, "If you say you can see, you remain in your sin." Peter and all the disciples did according to the things they could see, and every time they did this, Jesus corrected them. In this manner of language, I am not saying that a follower of Christ is going to hell because they do according to the things they can see. What I am saying is if a person carefully reads over that parable language as if Jesus is speak directly to the person who read that parable, that person will be corrected.
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which parables are you referring to?
you have mentioned the demon possessed man and the swine, the blind pharisee...neither of which teach that Demons have rights to torment people.
do you have another you would like to reference?
No where in the Bible does it state that demons have rights to torment people, it might state that they do torment people but GOD does not give them any rights except to burn in Hell for their crimes and disobedience.
Angels punish people and teach them right from wrong. NOT demons. We are to resist demons and submit to God and His corrections. To blur the line between God's chastening and Demonic temptation and oppression is sinful and spiritually dangerous.
When people do not even drink their milk but allow it to curdle and be twisted how will they eat meat and discern good from evil?
you have mentioned the demon possessed man and the swine, the blind pharisee...neither of which teach that Demons have rights to torment people.
do you have another you would like to reference?
No where in the Bible does it state that demons have rights to torment people, it might state that they do torment people but GOD does not give them any rights except to burn in Hell for their crimes and disobedience.
Angels punish people and teach them right from wrong. NOT demons. We are to resist demons and submit to God and His corrections. To blur the line between God's chastening and Demonic temptation and oppression is sinful and spiritually dangerous.
When people do not even drink their milk but allow it to curdle and be twisted how will they eat meat and discern good from evil?
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Spiritually dead yes not always physically dead.demons feast on the lies and deceptions in men.
]God's creation, yes...and made in His image too. But that does not negate the FACT that those that are not saved belong to the Lord: which Lord are you referring to? Jesus or Satan in this statement?
John 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day." John 17:9 "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; "John 17:12[/SIZE]
"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." John 17:24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am..."[/LEFT]
there is a difference between temptation of the flesh and temptation of demons. Not really. It is ALL spiritual. Scripture tells us to RESIST THE ENEMY and HE shall flee. They flesh cannot flee. Bottom line.
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bottom line is that you like to blur lines that should not be blurred.
the flesh can't flee so there is a difference between how you war the flesh and how you war demons. anyways i have to go to work. i'll back to this if I get a chance.
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Maggie in purple:
NO they don't. the passage just shows that the Jewish exorcist lacked power to cast out demons not that demons had the right to be there. if you walked alone on a highway and robbers came and you demanded them to give you back child they stole from a friend of yours but they refused and beat you up. then you are like the Jewish exorcist. You make absolutely no sense. 1st, Your 'scenario' is not remotely close to Mt 8. 2ndly those robbers, being manipulated by the demonic WILL surrender the child IF you use the authority of Christ which is based upon your obedience and the knowledge of who you are in Christ. If you bring an army of angels and demand the same thing, then you get back that child though he or she may need healing and help after they return what belongs to GOD. NO legal rights for demons from that passage.... You get the child back because EVERY knee must bow to the name of Jesus, NOT because you think you have the authority to command angels.
NO they don't. the passage just shows that the Jewish exorcist lacked power to cast out demons not that demons had the right to be there. if you walked alone on a highway and robbers came and you demanded them to give you back child they stole from a friend of yours but they refused and beat you up. then you are like the Jewish exorcist. You make absolutely no sense. 1st, Your 'scenario' is not remotely close to Mt 8. 2ndly those robbers, being manipulated by the demonic WILL surrender the child IF you use the authority of Christ which is based upon your obedience and the knowledge of who you are in Christ. If you bring an army of angels and demand the same thing, then you get back that child though he or she may need healing and help after they return what belongs to GOD. NO legal rights for demons from that passage.... You get the child back because EVERY knee must bow to the name of Jesus, NOT because you think you have the authority to command angels.
So the legion are a principality.. you point is? No point. Just sayin'~~
Those scriptures do not prove that Demons have the right to torment people. Just like a bully does not have the right to beat up kids on the playground but does have the priviledge of playing on the playground until they are found out to be a bully then they are punished. however sometimes they are allowed out again to see if they learned their lesson. your statement that demons have legal rights is like saying bullies have legal rights to torment other kids. And they DO as long as the kids being bullied do NOT take action and report them.
before the time SHOWS that they knew they had a right to be where they were for a specified amount of time. This, again, proves that demons have legal rights and THEY KNOW IT.
see above playground bully analogy...and you were wrong because the bully/demonic has a right as long as they are allowed to get away with it. Only when they are rebuked and held accountable will it stop. IF you sin and do not repent, you give the enemy the right to attack you. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!
Those scriptures do not prove that Demons have the right to torment people. Just like a bully does not have the right to beat up kids on the playground but does have the priviledge of playing on the playground until they are found out to be a bully then they are punished. however sometimes they are allowed out again to see if they learned their lesson. your statement that demons have legal rights is like saying bullies have legal rights to torment other kids. And they DO as long as the kids being bullied do NOT take action and report them.
before the time SHOWS that they knew they had a right to be where they were for a specified amount of time. This, again, proves that demons have legal rights and THEY KNOW IT.
see above playground bully analogy...and you were wrong because the bully/demonic has a right as long as they are allowed to get away with it. Only when they are rebuked and held accountable will it stop. IF you sin and do not repent, you give the enemy the right to attack you. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!
Mt 12:43 "" “Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will
"I will" shows they have a free will also...which includes legal rights. For where there are no legal rights, there is no need for a will.
that doesn't even make any sense. what does legal rights have with free will?
I already addressed that. In order for there to BE free will, there has to be a RIGHT TO THAT FREE WILL. We have a right to free will be cause God GAVE us that right. It is our right to use our will to obey Him or not obey Him. Demons are opportunists and they WILL take advantage of their right to attack if someone is under a curse or has unrepented sin. yes demons have free will they used it to rebel against GOD. your logic would allow drug dealers and gang members to have "rights" to neighborhoods they stake out and claim. Silly man! They DO stake out and claim neighborhoods!! Do some research on gang behaivor. Gangs respect each other's RIGHTS to certain territories...or then you have gang wars in which people get killed.
return to my house
MY HOUSE. You have a RIGHT to live in YOUR house. so you are basing your theology on what Satan and demons say about what they own... hmm..ok, that is your choice...
Owning something and RESIDING THERE are two different things. So, no.
from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."
And because the house is swept clean an unoccupied with the Holy Spirit, it has a RIGHT to bring in seven other spirits more wicked than itself. no that does not say he has the RIGHT it says he WILL
right, he WILL...he chooses to do so, but no one is forcing him to do so. BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS SWEPT CLEAN AND LEFT EMPTY, he has a RIGHT to return. Why? Because that is the way that God set it up.as in he'll do it if he has the right or not. Wrong. He can only do what God allows him to do; what God has given him the RIGHT to do. your false apostles also teach that those who ARE filled with the Holy Spirit can have demons which is another lie but you seem to like lies. The bad teaching you've received is showing.
I have seen people that I KNOW were filled with the Holy Spirit per Matthew 7:11 """"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!" be delivered of demons of fear and anger. You need to realize that the FRUIT is different from the manifestation of a demonic presence. And it is not that the demon owns or possesses the person, it is that the person has given place to the demon. Just ask yourself, ""'How many born again, spirit people do I know that speak in tongues and pray and read their Bibles have issues of fear and sickness and disease?? The number of sick and diseased Christians is STAGERING ...NOT TO MENTION those that are looking at porn every day on their computers.
I have seen people that I KNOW were filled with the Holy Spirit per Matthew 7:11 """"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!" be delivered of demons of fear and anger. You need to realize that the FRUIT is different from the manifestation of a demonic presence. And it is not that the demon owns or possesses the person, it is that the person has given place to the demon. Just ask yourself, ""'How many born again, spirit people do I know that speak in tongues and pray and read their Bibles have issues of fear and sickness and disease?? The number of sick and diseased Christians is STAGERING ...NOT TO MENTION those that are looking at porn every day on their computers.
You cannot read these verse and not see that demons do have rights....unless you have an unteachable spirit. Then you have the right to not believe.
its a lie demons whisper in the ear of the undiscerning I have shown otherwise.