DEMONS HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHTS! spotting false spiritual warfare doctrines 101

[MaggieMye]

Maggie show me scripture about a demon of lust, about a demon of deceipt, a demon of spiritual and physical
poverty. One verse for each would be sufficient. Are you serious? You don't get that it does NOT MATTER which demon it is? It matters NOT what the name of it is.Well, here's one: Matthew 5:28
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You obviously to not understand that demons are sent to TEMPT. And it is only if we ACT on that temptation that the door is opened.

Also explain BOTH spiritual realms....and where you got these socalled protocals....paperback books
dont count...this is a bible forum. thankyou. you have been a Christian for 37 years and do not understand that there is a kingdom of Heaven and a kingdom of darkness?? It's in the Bible. The second heaven is where Satan and his demons operate out of. Study Daniel and how Michael, coming FROM THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HEAVEN had to pass through an area in which he had to fight evil. That is not some paperback book. It is the Bible. But YOU lack wisdom and understanding. And AnandHya is worse in her ignorance. Her type of religious thinking NEVER allows people to truly get free in Christ, but forces them to remain in the bondage that Christ died to set people from. How utterly rebellious, unbelieving and sad.TRUTH set people FREE.
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[yaright]

here is a challenge if anyone wants to take it up:

where does it say in the Bible that demons have rights?

Creation language reveals that demons do in fact have a legal place within those who do not carefully consider the Word of God as food from God. The legal place for demons is within a person who does not carefully consider his food. The teaching of the demon possessed man is a parable language of a man under these same circumstances. But when that man began to worship Jesus, he immediately became a vessel that was no longer a legal place for demons. Jesus used the (law of the) swine to teach us of a nature that is a legal place for demons. That nature can be found in a man who does not carefully consider the Word of God as food for his own soul.

 

[Abiding]

Maggie show me scripture about a demon of lust, about a demon of deceipt, a demon of spiritual and physical
poverty. One verse for each would be sufficient. Are you serious? You don't get that it does NOT MATTER which demon it is? It matters NOT what the name of it is.Well, here's one: Matthew 5:28
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You obviously to not understand that demons are sent to TEMPT. And it is only if we ACT on that temptation that the door is opened. 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.James 1. neither James or what Jesus said, said anything about demons. How do you know a demon tempts you? Does the bible mislead us? or are you misleading us? what difference does it make. Obey the word and lead the thought captive...and take responsibility. You should also take responsibility and teach from the word of God and quit adding to it. James says sin and death not demons result from given into sin.

You didnt give one verse either.

Also explain BOTH spiritual realms....and where you got these socalled protocals....paperback books
dont count...this is a bible forum. thankyou. you have been a Christian for 37 years and do not understand that there is a kingdom of Heaven and a kingdom of darkness?? It's in the Bible. The second heaven is where Satan and his demons operate out of. Study Daniel and how Michael, coming FROM THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HEAVEN had to pass through an area in which he had to fight evil. That is not some paperback book. It is the Bible. But YOU lack wisdom and understanding. And AnandHya is worse in her ignorance. Her type of religious thinking NEVER allows people to truly get free in Christ, but forces them to remain in the bondage that Christ died to set people from. How utterly rebellious, unbelieving and sad.TRUTH set people FREE.No honestly we preach the truth not fables. I understand what your refering to i just dont put a spin on it.
Col 1: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Now its renewing the mind and being cleansed by the word by the Holyspirit. Resist the devil(overcome temptation) and he will flee from you. Maggie do all the namecalling you want. Or prove your talk with
scripture. Scripture would be more appropriate since this is a bible forum.


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[Abiding]

Maggie said: Her type of religious thinking NEVER allows people to truly get free in Christ, but forces them to remain in the bondage that Christ died to set people from.

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Maggie now that you have pushed it this far i must tell you...that you have both slandered Anandya..and made yourself a false teacher. And have come
up against the finished work of Christ. This is very serious stuff. Ill quote this verse again for you.

Col 1: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


What keeps people from freedom in Christ is false teachers that lie about His finished work...and drag them out to the kind of abuse they get from
said teachers...instead of feeding them the truth that will set them free....Its called the Gospel.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

demons do not have legal right to anything... they get no privileges...they are the criminals!

 

[Laodicea]

It's in the Bible. The second heaven is where Satan and his demons operate out of. Study Daniel and how Michael, coming FROM THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HEAVEN had to pass through an area in which he had to fight evil. That is not some paperback book. It is the Bible.

Where do you get that from about Michael? The 2nd heaven is where the stars and planets are. The Bible calls the atmosphere the 1st heaven
Genesis 1:8
(8) And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The 3rd heaven is where God is in paradise
2 Corinthians 12:2
(2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

So since the 3rd heaven is paradise and the 1st heaven is where the birds fly then the 2nd is the starry heaven which would be the 2nd heaven.

Satan is not in the starry heaven
Revelation 12:12-13
(12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
(13) And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

First of all Gabriel never had to get permission. The word "permission" is not in the text. The Bible never said that, and the offer of temptation is always stupid. The devil had nothing to offer Jesus that Jesus doesn't have already. Jesus has more power than the devil could offer.

Wow, you need to study my friend. Jesus did not own any person. He could have no relationship with anyone until his death as he made retribution for our sin.

Satan offered Christ the kingdoms of this word. What Kingdom worshiped God? Only Isreal thought they did. we see they did not. Satan had control of their leaders and their false religion also!

Ephesians 1:20 "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:"

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Notice Jesus has "all power" in "heaven and in earth" not just heaven. You give the Devil too much authority in your post. And you forget that temptation to sin is always stupid. You make it sound like temptation has something to offer. God has more to offer than temptation to sin will ever have to offer.

Yeah your right. Jesus controlled Hitler. And Stalin and the people in Rome who destroyed his church and made it a Phariseeicle church which ruled the world for over 1000 years.

Jesus has control. But he is allowing Satan to rule and allowing people to follow him. Satan is held in check by the HS, and does not have complete control. but to say he does not have any is just outright false.

second. I never said temptation has something good to offer. Where do you get this crap? Was it not Paul who said temptation can lead to sin? Temptation is something which offers us a possibility to do something. we can be tempted to do good, and tempted to sin. Get off your high horse why don't ya and stop twisiting my words.

It is a bad deal and Jesus knew that. What the devil says does not have to be true or even a good idea. Think of all the sins people are tempted to do; it is not a good idea. It is not a good trade. So why do you believe the devil had something to offer? Do you believe the devil has something to offer you? Is it not true that the devil really has nothing to offer? It is not worth losing your salvation. And Jesus was not going to worship Satan because it was a stupid deal.

It does not matter if satan has something good to offer or not. He tempted Eve, Eve fell. He had something to offer eve, and she took it not realising it was a bad idea. If Satan did not have anything to offer Eve, he could not have tempted her. Same with Christ. If Satan did not have rule over the kingdoms, he could not offer them to Christ. thus could not have tempted him with them.

I can't loose my salvation. Salvation is by Grace not works. You can't earn salvation. Thus you can't lose it.

 

[AnandaHya]

First of all Gabriel never had to get permission. The word "permission" is not in the text. The Bible never said that, and the offer of temptation is always stupid. The devil had nothing to offer Jesus that Jesus doesn't have already. Jesus has more power than the devil could offer.

Ephesians 1:20 "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:"

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Notice Jesus has "all power" in "heaven and in earth" not just heaven. You give the Devil too much authority in your post. And you forget that temptation to sin is always stupid. You make it sound like temptation has something to offer. God has more to offer than temptation to sin will ever have to offer. It is a bad deal and Jesus knew that. What the devil says does not have to be true or even a good idea. Think of all the sins people are tempted to do; it is not a good idea. It is not a good trade. So why do you believe the devil had something to offer? Do you believe the devil has something to offer you? Is it not true that the devil really has nothing to offer? It is not worth losing your salvation. And Jesus was not going to worship Satan because it was a stupid deal.

what I don't get is that Satan too often offers what God has already promised the person but just in ways that go against GOD.

for example Eve was ALREADY like God because mankind was made in the image of God but she in her ignorance did not realize the heritage she already had. the fruit did not offer her anything MORE except death.

Also Jesus was given ALL the kingdoms of the earth from GOD, yet Satan pretended he could give them to Jesus when they both know perfectly well that Jesus was ALREADY promised them from GOD.

demons do it all the time, if you do this I will give you back something I tried and steal from you in the first place that God your father means to give you anyways....

 

[AnandaHya]

demons do not have legal right to anything... they get no privileges...they are the criminals!

thank you I love you!

not only are they criminals they like to steal and force people to pay protection money like the mob. except it is not money but souls they batter with.


they have groupies who they drug them up on power and worldly knowledge and pretend to be "helping" people.

 

[AnandaHya]

Where do you get that from about Michael? The 2nd heaven is where the stars and planets are. The Bible calls the atmosphere the 1st heaven
Genesis 1:8
(8) And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The 3rd heaven is where God is in paradise
2 Corinthians 12:2
(2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

So since the 3rd heaven is paradise and the 1st heaven is where the birds fly then the 2nd is the starry heaven which would be the 2nd heaven.

Satan is not in the starry heaven
Revelation 12:12-13
(12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
(13) And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

yes and he never took over the whole of second heaven. he was cast out with only 1/3 of the angels though he tried his hardest.

Gabriel had to stop and fight Satan, not worship him or ask permission.

He was on God's mission and had His permission.

why would he need any other?

 

[AnandaHya]

mmm everyone sounds a little grumpy...

Breakfast, anyone?

 

[cronjecj]

breakfast sounds good.

i agree that Satan has no legal rights but it may seem so to some but it is because the evil one is a deceiver and a liar from day one.

Satan and the demons forces themselves in where ever they can.

The LORD protects the just against evil like when the LORD put a hedge about Job.

Job 1:10-12
Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

 

[MaggieMye]

Abiding and AnandHya: Your OPINIONS are just that, OPINIONS. I'm not going to argue with someone that does not, can not understand the spiritual aspects of the Bible; someone that does not see that the whole of the OT is SPIRITUAL first and then historical. You do not have eyes to see or ears to hear because you are being affected by a deaf and dumb spirit that is keeping you in your ignorant box of comfort. This does not, however, affect your salvation. But it DOES greatly affect your ability to be used for Kingdom purposes. Understand that I did not say you could not be used at all, I'm saying that for the most part, you are not leading others to Christ, you are not setting people free from the demonic, you are not speaking words of destiny into the lives of the lost or even your Christian brothers and sisters. Why? Because you do not believe that you can or should. Religion and fear will do that do a person. How about doing a fast and seeking the Lord and setting aside your religious traditions so that God can bring you into the destiny plan that He created you for? Do you fast? Do you lay hands on the sick? I know you don't cast out demons because you do not believe that sicknesses and diseases are at the hand of the devil and his minions/demons. You have a Burger King Christianity...and there is little spiritual nutrition in that.
I WILL see you in heaven, no doubt. The question is...how many others will be there because of you? How many people on the fact of this planet right now will ever walk in their true identity and in the freedom that Christ died to provide because of you? THAT is the issue here. Period. Just WHAT are you doing to enlarge your tent...to enlarge the population of the Kingdom of Heaven?
Maggie

 

[AnandaHya]

Abiding and AnandHya: Your OPINIONS are just that, OPINIONS.

I'm not going to argue with someone that does not, can not understand the spiritual aspects of the Bible; someone that does not see that the whole of the OT is SPIRITUAL first and then historical. false accusation..

You do not have eyes to see or ears to hear because you are being affected by a deaf and dumb spirit that is keeping you in your ignorant box of comfort. oh you have identified the demon plaguing you? that is a step in the right direction.. have you cast it out of your life yet? wait you think that speck is in me? sorry its a plank in your own eye. you have so many demons around you that its just awful...no wonder you can't read the Bible and see clearly...


This does not, however, affect your salvation. But it DOES greatly affect your ability to be used for Kingdom purposes. yep can't be an effective demon medium if you don't buy their lies and allow their words to plant seeds in your soul.

Understand that I did not say you could not be used at all, I'm saying that for the most part, you are not leading others to Christ, you are not setting people free from the demonic, you are not speaking words of destiny into the lives of the lost or even your Christian brothers and sisters. you have no clue

Why? Because you do not believe that you can or should. Religion and fear will do that do a person. which you teach and build upon in tenfold. you plant seeds of fear and false religion in the lives of others but are too blind to see the harm you and your teachings have done. they avoid you and your kind after they learn the truth of it all for the most part.

How about doing a fast and seeking the Lord and setting aside your religious traditions so that God can bring you into the destiny plan that He created you for? how do you know we are not walking according the plan God has ordained? have you had a talk with God about us?

Do you fast? Do you lay hands on the sick? I know you don't cast out demons because you do not believe that sicknesses and diseases are at the hand of the devil and his minions/demons. You have a Burger King Christianity...and there is little spiritual nutrition in that.
You have a rat poison Christianity, a bunch of truth trying to hide the poisonous demonic seed of lies in the middle and as the source of your teachings and fake wonders

I WILL see you in heaven, no doubt. The question is...how many others will be there because of you? How many people on the fact of this planet right now will ever walk in their true identity and in the freedom that Christ died to provide because of you? THAT is the issue here. Period. Just WHAT are you doing to enlarge your tent...to enlarge the population of the Kingdom of Heaven?
Maggie

wrong. that is not the issue here. enlarging my tent is the least of my concerns.

I believe words and prayer have the power to set people free. just like I believe that lies and false teachings have the power to enslave people and blind them to God's truth.

keep your strongholds of darkness that war against God, you seem to like them. I have dealt with more demons then you know about. I do not set them free. GOD does!

but I do pray for them and help them heal from the damage the demons have done to their minds and soul.

You see the difference between what you teach and what I believe is that I believe that GOD has more power then I ever will but I know what powers and abilities He has given me to help my brethren overcome this world. The Sword of the Spirit is the WORD of God and the only other offensive weapon is Prayer.

when you get over this false doctrine, we can talk. or you can just continue to add more bricks to your stronghold, but it wars against the knowledge of GOD as revealed in His holy WORDs and through His Holy Spirit.
you seek power and dominion and praise for what YOU do. what you do does not glorify GOD or His Kingdom. it does not speak of what JESUS did on the cross but how righteous you think YOU are.

 

[Abiding]

Abiding and AnandHya: Your OPINIONS are just that, OPINIONS. I'm not going to argue with someone that does not, can not understand the spiritual aspects of the Bible; someone that does not see that the whole of the OT is SPIRITUAL first and then historical. You do not have eyes to see or ears to hear because you are being affected by a deaf and dumb spirit that is keeping you in your ignorant box of comfort. This does not, however, affect your salvation. But it DOES greatly affect your ability to be used for Kingdom purposes. Understand that I did not say you could not be used at all, I'm saying that for the most part, you are not leading others to Christ, you are not setting people free from the demonic, you are not speaking words of destiny into the lives of the lost or even your Christian brothers and sisters. Why? Because you do not believe that you can or should. Religion and fear will do that do a person. How about doing a fast and seeking the Lord and setting aside your religious traditions so that God can bring you into the destiny plan that He created you for? Do you fast? Do you lay hands on the sick? I know you don't cast out demons because you do not believe that sicknesses and diseases are at the hand of the devil and his minions/demons. You have a Burger King Christianity...and there is little spiritual nutrition in that.
I WILL see you in heaven, no doubt. The question is...how many others will be there because of you? How many people on the fact of this planet right now will ever walk in their true identity and in the freedom that Christ died to provide because of you? THAT is the issue here. Period. Just WHAT are you doing to enlarge your tent...to enlarge the population of the Kingdom of Heaven?
Maggie

I rekon an emotional response was about all you could give when asked for scripture.
because paperback books arnt scripture are they. By the way dont go off feeling all
proud...i could pass any exam given me on the false doctrine you believe its not that
im not aware of it, its that its not true and a dishonor to God...and apparently a reason
for you to boast. Actually it should be called a doctrine of demons. Because it is.

 

[tribesman]

I rekon an emotional response was about all you could give when asked for scripture. because paperback books arnt scripture are they..

Well, not much of surprise, I'd say. But it boggles my mind how some people have no need for scripture. Just like the gnostics they simply "know" something to be true, without having to submit any scriptural or doctrinal substantial grounds, whatsoever. "The big and mighty me, myself and I have 'experienced' it, therefore it is true". They even like to speak, where scripture is silent. Maybe it's time to call a spade a spade. Wackiness is certainly not sound doctrine, whatever it is.

 

[Dude653]

Let's all make sure we insult each other when we disagree..........

 

[AnandaHya]

Let's all make sure we insult each other when we disagree..........

its better then being lukewarm.

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh

Revelation 3:15-19
King James Version (KJV)
15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

so is calling the Pharisees white washed tombs and a generation of vipers considered compliments then? or how about Elijah mocking the false prophets of Ba'al?

 

[yaright]

Satan isn't going to appear as an obvious person. Remember when Jesus rebuked Peter, 'Get behind me Satan.'? Remember that in biblical history, he is a created being, an angel, all of which are lovely. He's going to appear promising to be the best looking thing you've ever seen, with just enough biblical truth to trick your mind into believing that what he says is real.

There are certain situations in my life where I have felt in that moment the urge to repeat Jesus' words above...

Jesus revealed Satan in the words Peter spoke according to the things which seemed right to him. The one thing we trust most about ourselves, is the very part that Satan has deceived. Jesus literally spoke the word of God (concerning the things which were going to happen to Him) and Peter's love for Jesus, desiring that Jesus not die; came from Peter according to the things which seemed right to him. If we were in Peter's shoes, we would have done the very same thing. As Satan tempted Adam and Eve to not heed the word of God, and they did what seemed right to them, so to, this is reflected in Peter, who did not heed the word of God, but instead spoke according to the things which seemed right to him. Jesus reveals why and how this took place if a person wears Peter's shoes.

 

[tribesman]

its better then being lukewarm.

Matthew 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh

Revelation 3:15-19
King James Version (KJV)
15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

so is calling the Pharisees white washed tombs and a generation of vipers considered compliments then? or how about Elijah mocking the false prophets of Ba'al?

Amen and amen! Spot on!