Did Adam and Eve eat an apple?

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Mem

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Ah, I see. It makes more sense when you put it that way... :) At least the part bolded ;)
It makes sense how (s)he sees it, anyway... :p but
if you put it next to

Gen 4:7 ...sin is crouching at the door and its desire is for you, but "thou shalt" rule over it... that is 'you should', that is a commandment.

Gen 3:16 thy desire "shall" be to your husband, and he "shall" rule over thee... see there, that is no commandment but a prophesy.

There's nothing about desire the desire "for the leadership position," but it's the same desire sin has for Cain, to "own" him, that he give himself to it.
 

Dino246

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No she didn't. "You desire shall be for your husband('s authority), and he shall rule over you." Adam, being the authority figure, failed act as the authority figure. She gave to him the forbidden fruit which he shall not eat, and she talked him into eating it, that was pressure.
It’s completely ridiculous to quote Scripture and add words which conveniently support your a priori interpretation.
 

Dino246

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Gen 3:16 thy desire "shall" be to your husband, and he "shall" rule over thee... see there, that is no commandment but a prophesy.
Exactly! It’s a statement of certain consequence.
 

kenallen

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Well yeah Um Genesis 2-3 hello?

Why dos God say a tree and eat?
You think God is stupid?
You think God is shy? A prude?

Dude have you even read the Bible?
What garden department do I go to buy a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What say you about the tree of live was that a fruit tree? I don't thank God is stupid or a prude. You need to take a breath use your common sence and thank about it. The tree of life is Jesus the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
 

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Yes, Jesus death provides life for the world, Adam's life provided death for the world.
There was no God given law till Moses. The wages of sin is death (of the soul) Who know what sin was till the Law? Just a thought
 

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What garden department do I go to buy a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What say you about the tree of live was that a fruit tree? I don't thank God is stupid or a prude. You need to take a breath use your common sence and thank about it. The tree of life is Jesus the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
Common sense is that God called it a tree and everything in the text describes it as a tree, so it is very likely that it is a tree.
 

Magenta

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There was no God given law till Moses. The wages of sin is death (of the soul) Who know what sin was till the Law? Just a thought
Adam had been given instruction in the form of a command. That is what the laws are.
 

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That's true, but if you don't mine, let's dig in a little deeper in the scriptures and find the devil. The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee: With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures: (Ezekiel 28:1-3)

This is not an ordinary man, notice the clue. Thou are wiser than Daniel? The prince of Tyrus is a Gentile, how can he be wiser than Daniel when it comes to the word of God. Israel possesses the oracles/word of God. Remember that Satan is the god of the Gentiles that have not came under the commonwealth of Israel. This man is Satan; Satan is wiser than Daniel take a look.


Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.( Ezekiel 28: 12-13)

Do you recall the king of Tyrus in the Garden of Eden? I do recall the serpent which is called the devil and also Satan. Let's see who this really is.

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. (Ezekiel 28:14-15)

Now we see this is not a man, but a cherub angel. In some cases the Lord calls angels men. But notice something; this cherub which is Satan had some authority. He actually was on the mountain of God, until he sinned. We should pay close attention to that. What happened when Satan sinned against God?

Take a look.

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground; I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. (Ezekiel 28:16)

What happened when he got full of himself? He was thrown out. When the Lord blesses us with knowledge, wisdom and also understanding be careful not to get full of yourself and forget whose blessings it is and were it came from. It is the Lord's, not our own. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:18-20)
He will fall from heaven as lighting when Michael kicks him and his angles out of heaven. The question is when was Satan sent to heaven to be held by Michael. We Satan walked to and froe on the earth from the book of Job; we know that Satan was here on earth when Jesus was because he tempted Jesus in the wilderness. Then Jesus said get the behind me. Where is Jesus know? In heaven and where is Satan know? In haven. The Holy Spirit is here today gust as Satan's evil spirit is here today. 2nd Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, I will continue doing, so that I might cut off the opportunity of those desiring an opportunity that they might be found as also we in what they are boasting. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds. Satan himself is in heaven but he has his workers here on earth and many fill the pulpits of our churches today.
 

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Where do you get Apple from Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?
I don't I wanted to get things started. The tree of life is Jesus; The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan.
 

kenallen

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Well, it is BOTH = the Trees were actual and They were Spiritual.

We know that They were BOTH = actual/physical and Spiritual because Eve and Adam, in their physical bodies both ate.
We know that They were BOTH = actual and Spiritual because Eve and Adam DIED BOTH = 1st Spiritual the later physical.
We know these things are TRUE because the LORD said: "in the day you eat thereof you will die"
They ate of the tree and they did die within a day. God's day a thousand years. One day with man is a 1000 years with God.
 

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Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes,
and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it.
She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.


There is a connection between that ^ verse, and this verse:

For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes,
and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. 1 John 2:16


Adam and Eve were of the natural world. Scripture attests that:

However, the spiritual was not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 1 Cor 15:46

The first man (Adam) was of the dust of the earth, the second man (Jesus) from heaven.

Desires of the flesh war against the soul.

Clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make
no provision for the desires of the flesh. Romans 13:14


Perhaps Adam sinned in just desiring what was offered in eating the forbidden fruit,
in the same way Jesus said lust was committing adultery and hatred commits murder.


Of course we are not told, and where there is no law, sin is not counted against. Still:

To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given.
Eve was holy seduced by Satan first the she got Adam to do the same.
 
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They ate of the tree and they did die within a day. God's day a thousand years. One day with man is a 1000 years with God.
What way/form of death came upon them in that 24 hour day?
 

kenallen

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Adam had been given instruction in the form of a command. That is what the laws are.
That was just a thought I had. The law of Moses was given to everyone, Adam and Eve were the only people in the garden so that command to not et of the 2 trees was given just to them. That is the way I thought about it.
 

Magenta

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Eve was holy seduced by Satan first the she got Adam to do the same.
I believe you mean "wholly" :) Yes, Eve was deceived. What Eve did to entice her husband to disobey God has been greatly speculated upon, and much has been imagined and said about Adam's motivation in disobeying God also. However, Adam was not deceived. Beyond that, there is little said beyond what we are told in Genesis 3:6~ the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. An allusion is made back to this in 1 John 2:16~ For all that is in the world— the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life— is not from the Father but from the world. Surely their desire was worldly. They were of the natural world, after all.
 

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What way/form of death came upon them in that 24 hour day?
I am not talking about man's day I am talking about Gods day.
2nd Peter 3:8
Berean Literal Bible
But beloved, do not let this one thing be hidden from you, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

King James Bible
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

New King James Version
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

New American Standard Bible
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
 

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I believe you mean "wholly" :) Yes, Eve was deceived. What Eve did to entice her husband to disobey God has been greatly speculated upon, and much has been imagined and said about Adam's motivation in disobeying God also. However, Adam was not deceived. Beyond that, there is little said beyond what we are told in Genesis 3:6~ the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. An allusion is made back to this in 1 John 2:16~ For all that is in the world— the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life— is not from the Father but from the world. Surely their desire was worldly. They were of the natural world, after all.
The Children of the Devil
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
This is what John said in his gospel.
 

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The Children of the Devil
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
This is what John said in his gospel.
2 Corinthians 11:3 I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your ...
... Eve by his cunning, your minds may be seduced from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ ... But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds ...
https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/11-3.htm