Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?
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I do not know how you come with the question, when I never said that LOL but I will try to answer it 
good question. did I imply it. What I Believe the Bible teaches which Christ is speaking in Matthew chapter 5, 6, and 7 the context to this and Matthew's 23 read in the NLT .
Is the Pharisees, who Jesus KNEW their thoughts used the LAW or legalism to control the people. Yet they were not perfect in the context to obeying the LAW Jesus Knew this. People do not know the context of the heart of another, BUT God Does. HIS word cuts right to the matter. Jesus is teaching the issue is not you obeying the LAW, the issue is those who think they are justified by it and God winks at your hidden evil heart. Jesus in Matthew 5, 6 and 7 clearly say that is not the case. This is why Jesus had to come. The flesh there is no good thing. As Christians, we can come boldly to the throne to receive grace. However, we are to take the full counsel of the word of God. Read Rom 7 of the two marriages one husband is the LAW the other who?
good question. did I imply it. What I Believe the Bible teaches which Christ is speaking in Matthew chapter 5, 6, and 7 the context to this and Matthew's 23 read in the NLT . Is the Pharisees, who Jesus KNEW their thoughts used the LAW or legalism to control the people. Yet they were not perfect in the context to obeying the LAW Jesus Knew this. People do not know the context of the heart of another, BUT God Does. HIS word cuts right to the matter. Jesus is teaching the issue is not you obeying the LAW, the issue is those who think they are justified by it and God winks at your hidden evil heart. Jesus in Matthew 5, 6 and 7 clearly say that is not the case. This is why Jesus had to come. The flesh there is no good thing. As Christians, we can come boldly to the throne to receive grace. However, we are to take the full counsel of the word of God. Read Rom 7 of the two marriages one husband is the LAW the other who?
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I do not know how you come with the question, when I never said that LOL but I will try to answer it good question. did I imply it. What I Believe the Bible teaches which Christ is speaking in Matthew chapter 5, 6, and 7 the context to this and Matthew's 23 read in the NLT .
Is the Pharisees, who Jesus KNEW their thoughts used the LAW or legalism to control the people. Yet they were not perfect in the context to obeying the LAW Jesus Knew this. People do not know the context of the heart of another, BUT God Does. HIS word cuts right to the matter. Jesus is teaching the issue is not you obeying the LAW, the issue is those who think they are justified by it and God winks at your hidden evil heart. Jesus in Matthew 5, 6 and 7 clearly say that is not the case. This is why Jesus had to come. The flesh there is no good thing. As Christians, we can come boldly to the throne to receive grace. However, we are to take the full counsel of the word of God. Read Rom 7 of the two marriages one husband is the LAW the other who?
good question. did I imply it. What I Believe the Bible teaches which Christ is speaking in Matthew chapter 5, 6, and 7 the context to this and Matthew's 23 read in the NLT . Is the Pharisees, who Jesus KNEW their thoughts used the LAW or legalism to control the people. Yet they were not perfect in the context to obeying the LAW Jesus Knew this. People do not know the context of the heart of another, BUT God Does. HIS word cuts right to the matter. Jesus is teaching the issue is not you obeying the LAW, the issue is those who think they are justified by it and God winks at your hidden evil heart. Jesus in Matthew 5, 6 and 7 clearly say that is not the case. This is why Jesus had to come. The flesh there is no good thing. As Christians, we can come boldly to the throne to receive grace. However, we are to take the full counsel of the word of God. Read Rom 7 of the two marriages one husband is the LAW the other who?
It was the “until you break it again” then you have 2 things, Judgment, or repentance = grace
I know there are some who believe we are only saved, then must beg God for forgiveness to get resaved or stay saved after we sin again.. I did not think you were one, but the way you wrote it, it could be misunderstood.
Just wanted to clarify.
’Thanks for responding.
well I think we need to understand something about the Grace and longsuffering of God. To those who are saved it is a given that we are not to break the Law . however, one can break a law or even do something ungodly that is not a law or written in the 613 of them . things can be done in ignorance. To a person who is not SAVED the bible is clear they have been judged already . once they die they are done judgement happens. are you suggesting that a Christian who does a sin that is not written in the law of the 613, who did not know it was wrong to do going to hell if they do not repent ?
Modern mainstream preachers teach that they were trying to earn salvation by keeping the Letter of the Law.
But the Bible tells a completely different story.
Matt. 23:4 For they (Mainstream Preachers of His time) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Matt 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
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But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them,
If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
John 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
The Mainstream preachers of today reject all these scriptures to support their lawless traditions. They use one verse to justify their preaching that the Pharisees were trying to obey God.
Rom. 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
The Jews didn't believe Jesus was their Messiah so they didn't believe His Blood cleansed us. They still believed in their Doctrines and Traditions which included their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. "for they stumbled at that Stumblingstone".
Mainstream Preachers of today teach that this verse destroys all the Scriptures I posted because they Preach to anyone who will listen that the "works of the Law" for remission of sins the Pharisees were following were the 10 Commandments.
But that is just not true according to the Word.
But the Bible tells a completely different story.
Matt. 23:4 For they (Mainstream Preachers of His time) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Matt 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
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But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them,
If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
John 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
The Mainstream preachers of today reject all these scriptures to support their lawless traditions. They use one verse to justify their preaching that the Pharisees were trying to obey God.
Rom. 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
The Jews didn't believe Jesus was their Messiah so they didn't believe His Blood cleansed us. They still believed in their Doctrines and Traditions which included their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. "for they stumbled at that Stumblingstone".
Mainstream Preachers of today teach that this verse destroys all the Scriptures I posted because they Preach to anyone who will listen that the "works of the Law" for remission of sins the Pharisees were following were the 10 Commandments.
But that is just not true according to the Word.
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I am not sure what your asking bro.
I think when God saves a soul. he saved them knowing every sin they will commit from that day forward. he called david a man after Gods own heart. Yet david had multiple wives and commited adultry and murder with Bathsheba and her husband,. These sins did not surprise Gopd, he knew those things would happen when he called him a man after his own heart as a young Sheppard.
A person sins where their mind is taken off Christ and put on themselves. it does not matter what the sin is, It is cause by a lack of faiht in that area of his life, or in a lack of love for others.
I believe we obey Gods commands by Learning to love all as Christ loved all. And as paul said seeking after the things of the spirit.
If we do these things, as Jesus himself said, we will fulfill that law. The problem is the amount of love is great, The humility and power it takes is a lot. We start as babes, We learn to trust, The more we trust, the more out life starts to resemble christ.
I think when God saves a soul. he saved them knowing every sin they will commit from that day forward. he called david a man after Gods own heart. Yet david had multiple wives and commited adultry and murder with Bathsheba and her husband,. These sins did not surprise Gopd, he knew those things would happen when he called him a man after his own heart as a young Sheppard.
A person sins where their mind is taken off Christ and put on themselves. it does not matter what the sin is, It is cause by a lack of faiht in that area of his life, or in a lack of love for others.
I believe we obey Gods commands by Learning to love all as Christ loved all. And as paul said seeking after the things of the spirit.
If we do these things, as Jesus himself said, we will fulfill that law. The problem is the amount of love is great, The humility and power it takes is a lot. We start as babes, We learn to trust, The more we trust, the more out life starts to resemble christ.
Not my thoughts at all. The quote is Paul, and it seems to be one response to the question you posed....
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Hello JaumeJ
Would I be correct If I paraphrased your thoughts on your post as saying that a person should try to keep the law with their mind before GOD will save them?
The Bible says that after salvation there Is nOw no condemnation to them that are In CHRIST JESUS.
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Hello JaumeJWould I be correct If I paraphrased your thoughts on your post as saying that a person should try to keep the law with their mind before GOD will save them?
The Bible says that after salvation there Is nOw no condemnation to them that are In CHRIST JESUS.
Galatians 2:4 This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.
Those who are trying to prove themselves to God under the Law, are under pride of achievement. pride of achievement is not of the father but of the world, along with the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes...
I was under pride of achievement for years, even when I was in addiction, it's a slow death. It took someone with more pride than me to face that I could not help him or anyone in that condition.
That kind of zeal not according to knowledge, causes them to expect others to be as good as they are or shall we say as deceived as they are. Paul explained that in the mind of the flesh there is envy and jealousy. "Jealousy is cruel as the grave."
If a man cant walk in love without expecting others to follow Him, he is under Law, if he has to go to a church meting to think that he is keeping the Sabbath, he will also expect that others should live up to his expectations. Thankfully the Law will kill him so it's not something those in Christ have to fix, nether could we.
Those who are trying to prove themselves to God under the Law, are under pride of achievement. pride of achievement is not of the father but of the world, along with the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes...
I was under pride of achievement for years, even when I was in addiction, it's a slow death. It took someone with more pride than me to face that I could not help him or anyone in that condition.
That kind of zeal not according to knowledge, causes them to expect others to be as good as they are or shall we say as deceived as they are. Paul explained that in the mind of the flesh there is envy and jealousy. "Jealousy is cruel as the grave."
If a man cant walk in love without expecting others to follow Him, he is under Law, if he has to go to a church meting to think that he is keeping the Sabbath, he will also expect that others should live up to his expectations. Thankfully the Law will kill him so it's not something those in Christ have to fix, nether could we.
Paul says there are two laws. The "Law of Works" and "the Law of Faith".
Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
For one law he says:
Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
So which of the Laws he spoke about is this referring to? The Law that says I must take a goat to the Levite and spill it's blood for remission of my sins?
Or the Law that says I must Love the Lord with all my heart?
The Levitical Priesthood ceremonial sacrifices would be a "law of works", Yes?
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
But what of the Law of Faith?
1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
It is important to understand the times Paul was teaching in. The Mainstream Preachers of his time were relying on and preaching the "Law of works" (circumcision and Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.)
Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Paul concluded regarding these "Law of Works":
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Mainstream preachers of today, as prophesied, teach that the "Law of works" include all of God's instructions including those He gave to Abraham. But as you can see, Paul clearly separated God's Laws between a Law of Faith and a Law of Works.
Take heed that you are not tricked into believing that the Law of Faith is some hidden new testament instruction not written about in God's Word.
Doctrines and traditions which transgress the Commandments of God are just as evil today as they were when the Mainstream Preachers of His time were pushing them.
Jesus NEVER taught man made doctrines and traditions, but the Word of God in the Old Testament, the only Testament that existed at the time.
Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
For one law he says:
Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
So which of the Laws he spoke about is this referring to? The Law that says I must take a goat to the Levite and spill it's blood for remission of my sins?
Or the Law that says I must Love the Lord with all my heart?
The Levitical Priesthood ceremonial sacrifices would be a "law of works", Yes?
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
But what of the Law of Faith?
1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
It is important to understand the times Paul was teaching in. The Mainstream Preachers of his time were relying on and preaching the "Law of works" (circumcision and Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.)
Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Paul concluded regarding these "Law of Works":
Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Mainstream preachers of today, as prophesied, teach that the "Law of works" include all of God's instructions including those He gave to Abraham. But as you can see, Paul clearly separated God's Laws between a Law of Faith and a Law of Works.
Take heed that you are not tricked into believing that the Law of Faith is some hidden new testament instruction not written about in God's Word.
Doctrines and traditions which transgress the Commandments of God are just as evil today as they were when the Mainstream Preachers of His time were pushing them.
Jesus NEVER taught man made doctrines and traditions, but the Word of God in the Old Testament, the only Testament that existed at the time.
