Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

[Grandpa]

Now show where Jesus teaches the law is abolished! You cannot.

Matthew 11:28-30
[FONT=&quot]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
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[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

 

[Dan58]

If he did, its perfectly okay to worship other God's now, steal, commit adultery, commit murder, bear false witness, etc.. No, belief in Christ did not abolish the commandments, he simply removed the curse of the law by taking our sins upon himself.

 

[JaumeJ]

Grandpa........if your heart does not witness to the wisdom and truth of the law. If your heart does not witness to obeying our father, your heart has not been converted as has been all who have received the Holy Spirit.

Now your first quote is not in fererence to the law be abolished rather to learning directly from Jesus and not from hypocrites who know nothing of how Jesus has clarified all and fulfilled most.

If your heart does not witnes to the obedience of the Ten Commandments which contain all of the remaing law in effect, there is nothing I nor anyone else but God, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit can do for you.

Mayt God bless and enlighten you to obedience and the law as taught by Jesus Christ...........I am saved by His mercy and I live in His grace, but I will never follow your teachings of disobedienced; that is a deception of the Evil One.

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

And Jesus fulfilled the smallest of letters in the law. Jesus did not come to perpetuate the law, but to fulfill it, satisfying it completely.

 

[PS]

It wasn't just about the 613 that the Lord had that to say.

It was to ALL that thought they could work at and fulfill the 10.

Because that way had already Failed. The Lord Jesus was there to institute a New Way.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Romans 9:31-33

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Neither of these is talking about 613. Its talking about what the 613 was based on, the 10. The law.

As we know, we are saved by faith and not by works.

 

[PS]

I wasn't talking about a levitical law and neither was Hebrews talking about ONLY a levitical law.

Romans 9 is in no way talking about a levitical law.

This is merely fantasy brewed up by Judaizers and legalists who know nothing but working at law.



You think that the levitical law was referred to as the Law of Righteousness by anyone? It makes absolutely no sense. Israel didn't work at the law of the levites. Only levites did.

Its extremely clear that Hebrews 7 and Romans 9 is talking about the 10 commandments.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Thats talking about commandments. You know, the law, the 10 commandments. Levitical law is never referred to as commandments anywhere in the bible.

Hebrews 7:11-12

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The people didn't receive a levitical law. Only the levites received a levitical law. So law here, obviously, is talking about the 10 commandments. Each time Hebrews 7 mentions law or commandments it is talking about the 10 commandments.

So why are people on here, and other forums, continually talking about the law? Are they Judaizers?

Here is the truth about the Levitical Law. LINK

 

[PS]

If he did, its perfectly okay to worship other God's now, steal, commit adultery, commit murder, bear false witness, etc.. No, belief in Christ did not abolish the commandments, he simply removed the curse of the law by taking our sins upon himself.

The Ten Commandments given by God to Moses on the mountain stand for all time. The issue is the 613 Mitzvot Laws, commonly referred to as the Levitical Laws because they were given by the Levite Priests after they came out of exile, and because the priests are of the tribe of Levi, the same as Moses they are often spoken of as the Mosaic Law. These laws allow for capitol punishment including stoning and these are the laws Jesus had issue with and which he ended for all time.

The problem is, as far as I know, they are still enshrined in Jewish law even today and of course children of Jewish families are still brought up on them.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The law of sin and death IS the 10 commandments.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

We are dead to the law, delivered from the law, the 10 commandments, so that we could serve in Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Sadly, no, most do not know that the law is spiritual. They still try to work at the letter of the law by their carnal will and understanding and call that "spiritual".

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

2 Corinthians 3:10 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

By the law is the knowledge of sin. The ministration of Death written on Stone.

Law of sin and death. The 10 commandments. The only ministration written on stone...

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

We are almost on the same page.

But there is a snag in my mind somewhere concerning what you say. Difficult to put into words though...

We have been freed from the law of sin and death. Does this mean, to you, that we no longer keep the command to not murder because it has been done away with? No, of course that would be ridiculous, right? But instead we see that He deals with the sin of murder with us, not as an outward obedience, but inwardly, where the murder first occurs, in our heart.

That we not murder has not been done away with. It will never be done away with. The WAY of obedience has changed.

 

[Beez]

The title is "Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?"
For the record, my answers are:

Did Jesus abolish the law?​

No

Should we keep the commandments?​

Yes

 

[beta]

I'm curious about this passage...


In 12:47 it says that Jesus himself does not judge.

So it is God alone that judges, but does this mean accountability, or condemnation?

Since Jesus does not judge, then what does it mean exactly to judge?

If we judge ourselves we should not be judged....but when we are judged we are chastened of the Lord that we should not be condemned....1Cor 11v31....
I believe there is a judging by the Lord for our Correction so we don't fall into condemnation which is also a judgement as a final decision of God.
When we judge ourselves it means 'rightly dividing the Word of Truth....and we learn that by studying scripture. There are things GOD expects of US to DO.... are we not being 'conformed/cpied to the image of His Son Jesus Christ ? friend , that is a tall order that requires walking in His steps....which so many christians fail to do because they reject being 'converted !

 

[stillness]

If you read about Paul, The law was to expose our selfishness and kill us to bring us to Christ.
If you have not died with Christ, its natural to try and obey the Law so the Law will kill you and bring you to Christ.
Tel me, can a dead man obey the Law? "It's no longer I that lives but Christ."
If you did not understand, you have 2 options: read the new testament or continue trying to obey the law until your convinced you can't and then read the new testament until you understand that you need to get past what you think you know, to enter the Love of God and believe: this is ongoing. "if any man thinks He knows, he does not know as he should." if we think we know we stop learning, much like a teenager. So if Love can't be commanded, what then? The Holy Spirit caries us in the suffering and death of Christ, so that it's no longer about me needing to prove myself to God. No longer I but Christ.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The title is "Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?"
For the record, my answers are:

Did Jesus abolish the law?​

No

Should we keep the commandments?​

Yes

Can you give an example of how do we keep the ten commandments?

 

[MarcR]

He didn't abolish Gods law. He did away with the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is this: the soul who sins will die.

The new, life giving way we graciously have been given frees us from the law of sin and death/ the soul who sins must die, which led to fear and anxiety and never having a clean conscience.

This new way is by faith in Him to keep His promises and to cause us to be upright and pleasing to God rather than the old way of our own working. So we don't walk by the law but by faith in Him.

The law is spirit because God is Spirit. We may not understand the spirit of every jot and tittle, but what is spiritual and good will never be abolished. He didn't come to abolish Gods law but to fulfill it in each of us.

His aim is to make us law abiding, not lawbreaking and He does this from start to finish by us trusting Him to do it. And He does it from the inside out, not from the outside in. And WHILE He is doing it, and WHILE we stumble often, we have great relief and rest at the same time because of the Precious Blood.

I agree.

Where we may disagree is that I believe that the Law of sin and Death and the Law of Moses are identical.

Even still, the Law is still in full force and effect!

Where we may disagree is in how we understand the purpose of the Law.

I believe that the purpose of the Law is to persuade people that they can't please God by their own efforts.

I believe obedience to God is NECESSARY.

I do not agree that law keeping is a path to obedience. I believe that obedience is the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers.

I have no objection to anyone attempting to keep any or all the commandments if they desire that lifestyle.

I do object to anyone telling me or others that our walk with the Lord depends on Law keeping.

 

[Beez]

Can you give an example of how do we keep the ten commandments?

Well, I can only write for myself!!

Word #1: I AM the L-RD
I try to remember that, but I admit that sometimes I fail and try to contend with Him. It never works.

Word #2: Have no other gods.
I do my best not to put anything or anyone before Him. He is the only One I worship.

Word #3: Don't take My Name in vain.
I don't. Just not in my vocabulary. I also don't claim that He has done anything He has not done -- of which I am aware!

Word #4: Remember the Sabbath day.
I do my best.

Word #5: Honor your Father and Mother.
I think I fail most miserably on this one. Still trying to figure it out.​

Word #6: Don't murder.
Well, I haven't literally murdered anyone, but my tongue has.

Word #7: Don't commit adultery.
I don't. Perhaps this one is the one at which I'm most successful.

Word #8: Don't steal.
Oh, this one! I am absolutely terrified that I could accidentally steal!! -- Like walking off with a pen that belongs to someone else, like not giving enough, etc.

Word #9: Don't lie.
I do my best to be totally honest, but I struggle, sometimes, with being flattering to people in order to make their day better. I'm working on this! The Bible is clear about flattering people.

Word #10: Don't covet.
I usually don't, but, uh, sometimes . . . .

“I don’t smoke, and I don’t chew, and I don’t go with boys who do.”

. . . and my righteousness is like filthy rags.

Whaduhyuhdo?

Depend upon the One and Only One Who is Perfect!! Whew!​

​

 

[JaumeJ]

Can you give an example of how do we keep the ten commandments?

perhaps the following will help you....

Rom 7:21 I find then the law, that, to me who would do good, evil is present.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[beta]

It is generally understood that the law was to bring us to Christ....which law ? I believe it was all of it, so that ALL can be saved.
However - Christians did not have the law of Moses so we could not obey that....does that mean we christians have no Law ? how could we then be brought to Christ ?
So also there is a law for Christians and it is the 10 Commandments...a law for all men to love God and neighbour universal, spiritual and eternal Rom7.
Because some men reject it does it mean we have no law and can go 'strait to Jesus' without having to follow or obey any law ?
Seems some people think and teach that is what we can do...they either misunderstand scripture or they want to set up and follow their own opinions....
this happened way back when UNGODLY men entered the flock and spread false doctrine which 'took root in 'sunday worship'...turning people from the real (shadow) of the Sabbath as a POINTER to the real Christ. IGnoring/rejecting the law/Commandments of God (starting with Sabbath) people were thus led to a false christ which they follow lavishly to this day.
THIS deception is what they need to be 'converted/turned from !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If he did, its perfectly okay to worship other God's now, steal, commit adultery, commit murder, bear false witness, etc.. No, belief in Christ did not abolish the commandments, he simply removed the curse of the law by taking our sins upon himself.

Amen, And he also made a way in which we can follow them. Which is not by the letter. Because the letter kills. But the spirit. For the spirit gives life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you give an example of how do we keep the ten commandments?

1. Love the lord your God with all your mind soul and spirit and your neighbor as yourself. In these two commands are all the law

2.. Seek after the things of the spirit, and you will NOT FULFILL the LUSTS OF THE FLESH

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree.

Where we may disagree is that I believe that the Law of sin and Death and the Law of Moses are identical.

Even still, the Law is still in full force and effect!

Where we may disagree is in how we understand the purpose of the Law.

I believe that the purpose of the Law is to persuade people that they can't please God by their own efforts.

I believe obedience to God is NECESSARY.

I do not agree that law keeping is a path to obedience. I believe that obedience is the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers.

I have no objection to anyone attempting to keep any or all the commandments if they desire that lifestyle.

I do object to anyone telling me or others that our walk with the Lord depends on Law keeping.

They are’

As shown by Paul in Gal, and instituted my Moses in Deuteronomy, WHoever doe snot confirm and OBEY every WORD is under a curse.

That curse is DEATH.

Mosaic law was not given tot how it’s how to be righteous,. It was given to PROVE how UNRIGHTEOUSNESS we are, and hopefully lead us to christ.