Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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JaumeJ

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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


It seems most folks do not believe Jesus, Yeshua, or they do not understand the law and the prophets have a ways to go. No, we are not saved by obeying th elaw, but we are not very wise to ignore the remaining laws according to Jesus Christ. Do not say they are on your heart if you do not understand you are to obey them, because they could not be if you thing it is just fine to ignore them
 

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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


It seems most folks do not believe Jesus, Yeshua, or they do not understand the law and the prophets have a ways to go. No, we are not saved by obeying th elaw, but we are not very wise to ignore the remaining laws according to Jesus Christ. Do not say they are on your heart if you do not understand you are to obey them, because they could not be if you thing it is just fine to ignore them

I believe Jesus. And when I open my bible, there they are, same as always. If I am still "under" them, should I be sacrificing animals? If not how do I know which ones to follow from those I am not supposed to follow? Should I be stoning people too? or should I just stone them in my heart? If we were to follow some and not others, wouldn't there be a clear command to do just that?
 

DeighAnn

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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


It seems most folks do not believe Jesus, Yeshua, or they do not understand the law and the prophets have a ways to go. No, we are not saved by obeying th elaw, but we are not very wise to ignore the remaining laws according to Jesus Christ. Do not say they are on your heart if you do not understand you are to obey them, because they could not be if you thing it is just fine to ignore them

Should I confess to a priest, or go straight to God through the blood of Jesus? Is there a veil intact and a rent veil at the same time?

Can the law still possess every jot and tittle yet not be the "current law or administration" I am "bound" to? What if Jesus had not said those words? Don't you think that that part of the bible would have been completely phased out rendering a ton of Gods Truth and wisdom and knowledge gone for us and our understanding of Him and His Plan?
 

JaumeJ

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Poor thing. Jesus fulfilled all of the laws of priessthood, sacrifice, for He is the High Priesst, and He is the only sacrifice for sin.

Do not pervert what is true. The majority of the 611 laws are no longer in effect because of Jesus, and He has taught us which laws are to be obeyed, not that anyone who has the truth inscribed upon His heart nees such. Food laws were halted when He appeared to Peter unfolding the sheet with the unclean animals, and when He teaches nothing by entering the b ody defiles it, rasther it is what is fromt he heart that defiles.

You are playing with human argumenst agreedupon by many men, but not taught by our Savior.

We are not save by obeying the laws that remain but we should always obey the wisdom of our Fasther and never ignore it.

Would you move the land mark of your neighbot to enrigh yourself? Then you obey the law if you say now.

Would you sow more than one kind o f seed in a field? You should not, but you may however the Sower sows only one seed..................….the field being the earth.......................

Would you change the order of creation by calling the first day the Sabbath of the Lord when only men teach this?

Believe and learn from Jesus Christ. Paul is interessting but you know what? I do not find Paul prohesied anywhere in the Old Testament, but for my own satisfaction I do see the Apostles and Joh the Baptist.

I believe the men of renoun. All blessings in Jesus............
 

JaumeJ

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Ps...we are to confess our sins to each other and pray for each other…...We always confess our sins to the Father……. where is that question coming from anyways?
 

JaumeJ

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We are made fellow heirs with Israel...……..
 

DeighAnn

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Ps...we are to confess our sins to each other and pray for each other…...We always confess our sins to the Father……. where is that question coming from anyways?
Would you please be more specific. I see where God told us the law of Moses was temporary until the seed should come, and the seed came. I am looking for scripture to back up what you say. Every where I read the old Covenant had to become "obsolete" for the new one to come in and the gentiles to be joined in. Are you saying Jesus did not break down the division and there are 2 peoples and 2 different laws for them? Jesus "reissued" a bunch of the old laws into the new covenant, are those the only ones from the old we are to obey from the old. Please give me scripture for what you are saying as that is the only way I can follow.

Only the high Priest used to go into the Holy of Holies. But Jesus rent the veil so that by the blood of the Lamb, with our High Priest at the right hand of the Father, we can go directly to God ourselves.
 

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It follows this:
Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee. (Deu 25:3 KJV)
Right, the concept I see there to be followed is not to engage in cruel punishment.

The concept not to be followed in that passage is beating people as punishment for crime.
 

Dan_473

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Jesus would never condone killing or beating. I am sure in my own mind that the god of the Old Testament is not my God, neither is it the Father of Jesus.

(Lights out time.)
Hi PS,

I think we've talked about this idea on a different thread a long time ago.

I can't remember how that turned out.

It seems to me that in order to maintain the view you expressed above, one would need to use a very loose approach to the scriptures.

For example, does Isaiah speak the true words of the true God?
 

JaumeJ

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Would you please be more specific. I see where God told us the law of Moses was temporary until the seed should come, and the seed came. I am looking for scripture to back up what you say. Every where I read the old Covenant had to become "obsolete" for the new one to come in and the gentiles to be joined in. Are you saying Jesus did not break down the division and there are 2 peoples and 2 different laws for them? Jesus "reissued" a bunch of the old laws into the new covenant, are those the only ones from the old we are to obey from the old. Please give me scripture for what you are saying as that is the only way I can follow.

Only the high Priest used to go into the Holy of Holies. But Jesus rent the veil so that by the blood of the Lamb, with our High Priest at the right hand of the Father, we can go directly to God ourselves.
You have not given me any scripture and when I shareid from Mathew earlier, you did not respond to it nor seem to understand what our Lord was teaching. It is to no avail to continue with your unusual manner of interpreting the Word. YOu are not even aware of Christ's constan presence in the OT, nor of the truth that for more than ttwo centuries the assemblies leanred fro the OT writing for dboth testaments are there beginnig with Abraham being given the blessing.................Read the Bible and you will learn this.
 

Dan_473

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Yes, I agree that Jesus amended the Law.

Binding and loosing (like ABOLISH and FULFILL) are also idioms.

Binding and loosing
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Binding and loosing is originally a Jewish Mishnaic phrase also mentioned in the New Testament, as well as in the Targum. In usage, to bind and to loose simply means to forbid by an indisputable authority and to permit by an indisputable authority.[1] The Targum to a particular Psalm[2] implies that these actions were considered to be as effectual as the spell of an enchanter.[1]
Wow, that has profound implications!

It also explains why the apostles and elders in Acts chapter 15 seem to assume that they have complete authority to bind or loose the entire law.
 

Dan_473

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Yes, most people don't realize that when Jesus was preaching in the flesh, it was still under the Old Testament.

But one thing you might not realized too was that the Jews had a one year extension from his Crucifixion to accept him as their Messiah, so the Law was still in force for that one year. Recall Jesus at the cross ask the Father to "forgive them for they know not what they do?"

That was why, as the OP goes, the resurrected Jesus never told the 11 that the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross. In fact, he told them in the Matthew's version of the GC, to remind the Jews to "obey everything that I have commanded you". That was why Peter and the other Jews continue to follow the Law even in early Acts.

The reasons for the 1 year extension was given in the parable of the fig tree and the gardener in Luke 13:6-9

6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.

7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?

8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:

9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

That one year extension expired when Stephen was stoned.
That's an interesting interpretation, and I can see the possible advantages.

Another possibility, using the same thinking, is that the old covenant and the New covenant existed side by side for about 40 years, or about one generation, after Jesus' resurrection.

The temple and the priesthood continued functioning up until about 70 AD. If Jesus was crucified around 30 AD, then it's one generation.
 

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Jesus had to stay under the law because He was going to have to go back "to Noah" , to offer all those who had died under the law, grace. He couldn't really do that if He had not been under it himself.
Just back to Noah, but not all the way back to Abel or even Adam and Eve?

I noticed just this morning that Eve seems to be pretty in touch with the role of God in her life.
Genesis 4: 1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Genesis 4: 25. And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
 

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Alright, how did you arrive at this belief? You don't think it was set for an example of "reading the thoughts and intents of our hearts" and as an example of the forgiveness that "might" be found in the new covenant to come? "political/religious spy"???
The "caught in the very act!" Tells me, anyway, that there's a "high degree of probability", of a "set up." Meaning? It was not by chance, they were CAUGHT, WHEN they were caught!
The "fact" that it was the "scribes and pharasees" that brought her unto Jesus?
Merely, strengthens "a stench in the air" concerning "motivation."
Concerning what Jesus wrote on the ground? Isn't mentioned. The "fact" that it APPLIED to EVERY scribe and pharasee on the premises? Is very indicative of "religious/political" intrigue.
Believing, a "paid operetive (professionals don't do things for free yanno?), does not a thief make?" Bring in the "jar of ointment!" Which she bought with the "money" she got paid in "doing the dirty deed."
The fact that later she became a "most ardent follower" of Jesus? Indicates she "knew" that Jesus knew too!
That she was willing to "waste a jar of expensive ointment", while Judas protested so vehemently? Indicates that the "ointment" was indeed HERS, to do with as she wished!
And THIS?
Implicates Judas' role, as a "double agent", and "leaker of intel" to the "game players of the Law."

(Jesus knew this also)
This is why, Judas was "murdered" by the "Religious hierarchy." Probably by (yet) another "paid operative, er two, er more."

Acts 1
16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man (not Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity (30 pieces of silver); and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. (cut from stem to stern)
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

Course, none of this is of a "salvic nature." But, rather of how the Father can "push buttons", in regards to accomplishing those "things", that He Wishes be accomplished. In, and despite what the "eyes of men" may see.

 

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Hi PS,

I think we've talked about this idea on a different thread a long time ago.

I can't remember how that turned out.

It seems to me that in order to maintain the view you expressed above, one would need to use a very loose approach to the scriptures.

For example, does Isaiah speak the true words of the true God?
Far from using violence Jesus said to turn to other cheek. He would have walked the extra mile. No way would he have condoned killing or violence.

I believe Isaiah was a true prophet. I suspect you are laying a trap, before you do, remember context is vital. Remember as well Jesus even said to call no one a fool. Even our language must be none violent.

If Jesus was the Word. i.e. Creator God, and he was, there is no way the Jews were worshipping the God of creation.
 

DeighAnn

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Acts 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
Acts 10:2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
Acts 10:3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
Acts 10:4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
Acts 10:5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
Acts 10:6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
Acts 10:7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
Acts 10:8 And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

Here God is describing a "Gentile" man. And this "gentile" is sending men to see Peter.


Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
Acts 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Acts 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Acts 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Acts 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Here Peter in a trance has a vision of all sorts of UNCLEAN ANIMALS , told to eat. PETER does NOT eat.

Acts 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Here now are UNCLEAN men, standing before the gate of the house Peter just had this vision at.

Acts 10:18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
Acts 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Acts 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

Acts 10:21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
Acts 10:22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
Acts 10:23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
Acts 10:24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Acts 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Acts 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 10:29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
Acts 10:31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
Acts 10:32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
Acts 10:33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;


Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Acts 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?


Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


So you see Peter did not eat. But the Jews had called the gentiles unclean and were not to mix with them. God was telling Peter NO MAN who loves God is unclean and not to be thought of as such.

If it was about the "food laws" Peter would have "eaten". When Jesus died on the Cross, neither our flesh bodies changed nor those of the "scavengers" God created to clean the yuck off the earth making them "healthy" for us to partake in from that point forward. For me, God created this earth, and the body I am presently inhabiting, and He created animals to eat, and animals to clean the earth (not to eat). I myself don't eat "unclean" animals, not because it is "against the law" but because I believe God knew what he was doing and His advice is good enough for me.

I have also had people refer me to
1Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Timothy 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

telling me "see, it says it here too" but knowing God actually did create foods to be received and foods not to be received, that if it was being changed here it would have read "which God hath created NOT to be received, with thanksgiving"

Please know this, I do not tell anyone, "do or don't" "sin or not sin", I have my own issues in other areas and don't like others to judge me, so I don't judge them. I only point this out for "the truth of Gods Word".
 

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The "caught in the very act!" Tells me, anyway, that there's a "high degree of probability", of a "set up." Meaning? It was not by chance, they were CAUGHT, WHEN they were caught!
The "fact" that it was the "scribes and pharasees" that brought her unto Jesus?
Merely, strengthens "a stench in the air" concerning "motivation."
Concerning what Jesus wrote on the ground? Isn't mentioned. The "fact" that it APPLIED to EVERY scribe and pharasee on the premises? Is very indicative of "religious/political" intrigue.
Believing, a "paid operetive (professionals don't do things for free yanno?), does not a thief make?" Bring in the "jar of ointment!" Which she bought with the "money" she got paid in "doing the dirty deed."
The fact that later she became a "most ardent follower" of Jesus? Indicates she "knew" that Jesus knew too!
That she was willing to "waste a jar of expensive ointment", while Judas protested so vehemently? Indicates that the "ointment" was indeed HERS, to do with as she wished!
And THIS?
Implicates Judas' role, as a "double agent", and "leaker of intel" to the "game players of the Law."

(Jesus knew this also)
This is why, Judas was "murdered" by the "Religious hierarchy." Probably by (yet) another "paid operative, er two, er more."

Acts 1
16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man (not Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity (30 pieces of silver); and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. (cut from stem to stern)
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

Course, none of this is of a "salvic nature." But, rather of how the Father can "push buttons", in regards to accomplishing those "things", that He Wishes be accomplished. In, and despite what the "eyes of men" may see.
Ok, I got you now. Makes a lot of sense. I had never "looked" at it in that light before. Thank you. I knew Judas was "murdered". There is a scene in one of those "Silence of the Lambs" movies where Hannibal slits the guy before pushing him over the balcony and all his entrails?? fell to the ground. When I saw it I immediately thought of Judas and how he was killed and how the Pharisees couldn't let a repentant Judas go around talking after Jesus was crucified.
 

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Just back to Noah, but not all the way back to Abel or even Adam and Eve?

I noticed just this morning that Eve seems to be pretty in touch with the role of God in her life.
Genesis 4: 1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Genesis 4: 25. And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
That was what I thought. I will have to find the passage. I can't remember but somehow it was all the way back but I don't remember how right now. Maybe someone else will know and answer for both of us.
 

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You have not given me any scripture and when I shareid from Mathew earlier, you did not respond to it nor seem to understand what our Lord was teaching. It is to no avail to continue with your unusual manner of interpreting the Word. YOu are not even aware of Christ's constan presence in the OT, nor of the truth that for more than ttwo centuries the assemblies leanred fro the OT writing for dboth testaments are there beginnig with Abraham being given the blessing.................Read the Bible and you will learn this.

Sorry, I thought you were responding to this post, If you would like the scriptures for these points (the ones I did not give scripture for) I will happily give them to you.

It isn't just in the gospels you look for truth but take all that you find God telling us and then make your decision. Look at the differences in the two laws. When we come to Christ we are made a new creature. Dead to the flesh, made Spiritual. No longer Jew or Gentile, but Christian. We don't go from law to no law. Jesus came to get rid of what was contrary to us. The blood of Jesus wasn't shed to "add to" the old laws. All that does is cause confusion, as your post proves. That isn't Gods way. But God answers this question with extreme clarity.

The Law of Moses vs the law of Christ

Are we under any sort of Law? Christ gave us laws. Paul was. Revelation is clear on who will be accepted in the end times and that should be a good indication of what it would take before that.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

First off, you must get right the distinction between the laws God wrote on the two tablets of stone (good indication of how solid they are, and He did it not just once but twice) and the law given Moses to write. The stone tablets INside the ark, Moses on the side
Gods voiced to the people, God voiced to Moses only. 2 Kings 21:8 Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them. Gods commandments has no curses, the law of Moses does. Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Psalm 111:7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
Psalm 111:8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psalm 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Men may say they "part of a unit" but Gods Word divides them as to who, what, where, when and how they were written. If they were a part of the law of Moses, why did they need to be RE written by God?


Law of Moses
School master, shadow of what was to come, ministry of death and condemnation, heavy yoke, burden, under, bound to, break one break them all, cursed, temporary, till John, waxing old ready to vanish, animal sacrifice, blood sacrifice, burnt offerings, ceremonies, rituals, priests duties, priests talk to God for us (veil), could not forgive, no gifts,

Law of Christ
Where the schoolmaster was leading us to, the fullness of what the shadow was predicting, ministry of life and freedom from sin, light yoke, no a burden, grace, freedom from, break on repent, curse taken away, sealed with His blood, New - to take over that what was old and ready to vanish, His sacrifice, His blood, Him our High Pries, the veil rent no need for earthly priest to talk to God, repentance and forgiveness, gifts of salvation and righteousness,


Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?