Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Galatians 5:24-26
Correct! I agree with you!
 

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Here's an inspiring closing remark from someone given wisdom more than me and you


...Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:9-14
This was written 900 years before the birth of Jesus.
 
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All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

My interpretation: If you are not under the Law you will not be judged by the Law. If you are under the Law you will be judged by the Law.

I am not under the Law and therefore if I sin I will be judged by other criteria (not by the law of Moses).

For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight

This is true for all types of laws.

but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

This portion of the text seems to affirm that we have to keep the Law. I don't think Paul is making such a statement because he would be contradicting himself. I am not able to examine the whole context now; I'll do it later.

when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,

Paul is stating that the Gentiles don't have the Law, i.e., the Law was not made for them.
You're right! FOR ALL ISRAEL, not for the Gentiles.
So we do agree that the law of Moses is for all Israel. If it was given to them then it is a gift for them and is therefore irrevocable.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Romans 11:25-29 (Romans 9:4-5)

Whatever laws Israel received from God is irrevocable and cannot be nullified. ( Mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24, Romans 3:31) God would not write His law on/in their hearts if it has been revoked and nullified. And what did the bible/scriptures say about this in the NT?

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Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so... Romans 8:1-17

It was written that the Lord Jesus
abolished the law in His flesh.

For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-22

Why did our Lord Jesus abolish the law in His flesh?

It is to establish it in the spirit as explained in Romans 8 where it says that it was weakened by the sinful nature. The new man has to live according to the spirit to meet the righteous requirements of the law. This is the reason why we have to die in our sinful nature and be raised in the spirit.

He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

And remember that without Love we are nothing. (1Corinthians 13:1-3) And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Galatians 5:24-26

This would take a long dizzy merry-go- round and a nauseating roller coaster ride if we don't humble ourselves and submit to the one LAWGIVER and JUDGE who is able to save and to destroy.

Here's an inspiring closing remark from someone given wisdom more than me and you

...Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:9-14

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

GOD IS good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen
 
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This was written 900 years before the birth of Jesus.
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
Romans 15:4

and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:15-17

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9
 
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The LAW OF SIN AND DEATH is the law of Moses, is it not?
It is the law of sin and death for those who do not live according to the spirit because according to the apostle Paul, "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

Those who live according to the spirit do not rely on observing the law but would rather uphold the law by Faith and obedience to the one LAWGIVER and JUDGE who gave it to them.

The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matthew 19:16-19
 

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For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. Romans 15:4
Yes, the law of Moses was written to teach the Hebrews.
 

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and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 2 Timothy 3
I don't understand this verse very well. Do you? Is Paul saying that the Old Testament is able to make us wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus?
 

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according to the apostle Paul, "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
I agree! Those who seek justification through the law of Moses have to observe the whole law.
 

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Those who live according to the spirit do not rely on observing the law but would rather uphold the law by Faith and obedience to the one LAWGIVER and JUDGE who gave it to them.
If you have faith in God and obey Him it is like a Jew/Hebrew who perfectly kept the whole Law.
 

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The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matthew 19:16-19
Correct! Jesus told him to keep the law.
 
Yes, these past couple days I have been having my eyes opened to thoughts I have never had, so a thank you to you too!! I love these days. But yes, I agree. Mr Gardner, tells us, Where is SG? I haven't seen him in past week, have I? I am going to look for him.
Apparently the "heated discussions(?)", got too hot for "some."
Somebody/s(?) "dropped a dime" on him.
Got "dis-invited."
 

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Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
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Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Matthew 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Maybe, possibly, because I am not sure, but it may have been that Jesus was following the law in the "original SPIRIT OF TRUTH" in which it was given and not by "the letter of the law" that had been so corrupted by man at that point. Also, it would seem this was a transition period between the Old Covenant "vanishing" and the New Covenant about to be sealed with the blood of the Lamb.
Yes I would agree the law of faith. . the unseen SPIRIT OF TRUTH"

The reformation came in the twinkling of the eye when Christ said; "it is finished" .

I would think the reference. . until John is introducing the new order of priest sent out to plant the gospel seed. After the manner of Melchedik our High Priest continually without beginning or end. No longer after a persons from the tribe of Levi after the letter of the law.

Now the kingdom priests after male, female. . . . Jew and gentile alike coming in the power of Elisa the unseen law of faith. . therefore the gospel working with the letter of the law to create on perfect law. Two become one. (Psalms 19: 7-11) )

Acts 2:17-18 King James Version (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: (plant the seed)
 

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Apparently the "heated discussions(?)", got too hot for "some."
Somebody/s(?) "dropped a dime" on him.
Got "dis-invited."
No.
No.
No way.
Forever??? or just suspended??
I am going to cry. For real, and for sure?
My heart actually hurts. How could I not see it coming??
I'll go back and read the posts. Wow. I
 
Read Hebrews 8:13

By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
"In the flesh, it's obsolete. In the "spirit?" Not so much!

Paul sez "walk in love."

Peter sez: as Lively stones? We are to make "spiritual sacrifices" acceptable TO God, BY Jesus Christ.

From the inside out, from the bottom to the top.
Is how Jehovah builds His Holy Priesthood.


(smh-jez can't get these "paulene people", to stop "boasting against the branches.")
 
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Read Hebrews 8:13



By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
The NEW COVENANT did not revoke or nullify the law.

This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Hebrews 8:10

“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.” Hebrews 10:16-17

For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12



A change of the law is different from a revoked or nullified law.

For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law....but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: ‘You are a priest forever.’” Hebrews 7:12,21

If Christ has an everlasting priesthood then His law is irrevocable and cannot be nullified. Carrying each other's burden is another way of saying " LOVE your neighbour as yourself." It is what the body of Christ upholds and manifests. It is the commandment and the message heard from the beginning and is irrevocable and forever just as Christ's priesthood is forever.

Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. 1 Corinthians 12:14-26

This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 1 John 3:11

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. James 2:8
 

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Marcelo said: Read Hebrews 8:13

By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

"In the flesh, it's obsolete. In the "spirit?" Not so much!
If we have the Spirit we don't need to follow a list of ordinances.
 

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The NEW COVENANT did not revoke or nullify the law.
Yes, it did!

Hebrews 8:13 New International Version (NIV)
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
 

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A change of the law is different from a revoked or nullified law.
This is a matter of perspective. In the past women, in many countries, didn't have the right to vote and now they do. You can call it whatever you want (a change of the law or a new law), but what really matters is that today women do have the right to vote.