Did Paul cancel the 1 19th Psalm?

[JaumeJ]

I think the ten commandments are directly from God, they all tell of ways we can make God's love come alive. If they are done legalistically, or without love, they are changed by humans into laws that are not of love, but the law itself is Godly I think.

Paul is just impossible, I could shake him. He doesn't tell us when he is speaking of the oral traditions that Jews at the time even called the law of Moses and the real Law of the Lord. What I do to try to get them straight is to keep in mind the ways of the Lord and what God tells us in other chapters and fit Paul's speaking of law fit into the eternal way of the Lord.

I think that it has always been so that the rituals God gave man has always been just that: rituals. They have been a help to man, but are not eternal law and never was. I think it changed when people didn't need rituals any longer but the rituals were replaced at Pentecost. Jews still use them as a means to keep God as part of every part of living and it works for them. The rituals aren't what work, but keeping God as part of everything they do works. For them it includes eating, washing their hands, going to bed, waking---everything every day. It just doesn't save.

I have been meditating on this and it seems to the best of understanding given me that ay law or commandment disregarded that takes away from the two great laws of love is part of Love, God.
It is psretty easy to understand this so how can anyone who loves sthroughtly be "under or a slave tothe law?"

Jesus is our 0propitiaqtion for all of th guilt of our traqnsgressions neve some lame argument of th flesh such as grace only to replace our obedience to gOD wHO iS lOVE...

 

[JaumeJ]

I think the ten commandments are directly from God, they all tell of ways we can make God's love come alive. If they are done legalistically, or without love, they are changed by humans into laws that are not of love, but the law itself is Godly I think.

Paul is just impossible, I could shake him. He doesn't tell us when he is speaking of the oral traditions that Jews at the time even called the law of Moses and the real Law of the Lord. What I do to try to get them straight is to keep in mind the ways of the Lord and what God tells us in other chapters and fit Paul's speaking of law fit into the eternal way of the Lord.

I think that it has always been so that the rituals God gave man has always been just that: rituals. They have been a help to man, but are not eternal law and never was. I think it changed when people didn't need rituals any longer but the rituals were replaced at Pentecost. Jews still use them as a means to keep God as part of every part of living and it works for them. The rituals aren't what work, but keeping God as part of everything they do works. For them it includes eating, washing their hands, going to bed, waking---everything every day. It just doesn't save.

tHANK YOU FOR YOUR SPIRIT-FILLED UNDERSTANDING and work sharing it.

 

[Blik]

Paul was a Sheriff of the law but then on the road to Damascus he was blinded by an outlaw and his sight held hostage until he agreed to switch sides......
Later on he relented....but dont come at me if you dont have a sense of humor....
because he contradicts himself a lot in Timothy...
in Cor. 15 he writes we must put on an immortal body then in Timothy 6:16 he says only God is immortal.... so .....I think that Paul guy wrote so much he forgot some of what he said.....
Of course you know he had that thorn thing going on and people trying to bash him in the head with rocks so.....you have to cut him a little slack

I don't think we should cut Paul one tiny bit of slack. Paul is speaking for the Lord and has no right to assign a wrong thought to God. If it seems he is doing this, it is time to search the way the scripture agrees, for God assigned him as a spokesman for Him. Paul is either right or Paul is not speaking for the lord so he can't be believed.

Paul was even tested by the brother of Christ and a panel of judges for this and came out as innocent so I'll bet if you study enough you will see Paul is right and you are wrong.

 

[SIMON55]

I don't think we should cut Paul one tiny bit of slack. Paul is speaking for the Lord and has no right to assign a wrong thought to God. If it seems he is doing this, it is time to search the way the scripture agrees, for God assigned him as a spokesman for Him. Paul is either right or Paul is not speaking for the lord so he can't be believed.

Paul was even tested by the brother of Christ and a panel of judges for this and came out as innocent so I'll bet if you study enough you will see Paul is right and you are wrong.

You tell me how I am wrong
Right here 1 cor. 15:53 and 1tim.6:16 do not agree he tells corinth we must become immortal then he tells Timothy only God has immortality !
SO YOU PROVE TO ME HOW HE ISNT CONTRADICTING HIMSELF

 

[SIMON55]

I don't think we should cut Paul one tiny bit of slack. Paul is speaking for the Lord and has no right to assign a wrong thought to God. If it seems he is doing this, it is time to search the way the scripture agrees, for God assigned him as a spokesman for Him. Paul is either right or Paul is not speaking for the lord so he can't be believed.

Paul was even tested by the brother of Christ and a panel of judges for this and came out as innocent so I'll bet if you study enough you will see Paul is right and you are wrong.

So lets hear it why do the two books disagree or how is it they do when they say two different things....either we get to become immortal which I dont believe I believe we can get a gift of eternal life and it not being the same thing.
Or only God is immortal as he writes in 1tim616 which i believe.....so which is it and how could it be both not possible maybe you need to get to studying.

 

[SIMON55]

I don't think we should cut Paul one tiny bit of slack. Paul is speaking for the Lord and has no right to assign a wrong thought to God. If it seems he is doing this, it is time to search the way the scripture agrees, for God assigned him as a spokesman for Him. Paul is either right or Paul is not speaking for the lord so he can't be believed.

Paul was even tested by the brother of Christ and a panel of judges for this and came out as innocent so I'll bet if you study enough you will see Paul is right and you are wrong.

You're the one saying Paul can't be human has to be perfect and I am wrong ...
so you prove how the books agree. Because in the KJV they don't agree.

 

[Blik]

You're the one saying Paul can't be human has to be perfect and I am wrong ...
so you prove how the books agree. Because in the KJV they don't agree.

I didn't say Paul was perfect, Paul says he isn't but that God commissioned Him to only give scripture to us from God.

I don't see these scriptures speaking of the same thing at all. In 1 Corinthians it speaks of how it will be after the end of our earth happens and what our bodies will be like. In Timothy it is speaking of what God is like. Two completely different things.

 

[SIMON55]

I didn't say Paul was perfect, Paul says he isn't but that God commissioned Him to only give scripture to us from God.

I don't see these scriptures speaking of the same thing at all. In 1 Corinthians it speaks of how it will be after the end of our earth happens and what our bodies will be like. In Timothy it is speaking of what God is like. Two completely different things.

Yesh well there is a fifference a. If omly God is immortal nan cant put on a immortal body bscauss only God is immortal ... Contradiction

 

[JaumeJ]

have you thougth thaqt God, Whos is all cpable, IS (actively) immortal? Whereas those who come to Him and asre in Yeshua, Jesus, are made immortal? No flesh can be immortal until it is made immortal and then it is no longer flesh but a glorified body just like jESUS... wHAT REWASRD WE MAY HAV in th eKingdom…Praise our Immortal Maker Wh IS.

 

[Grandpa]

Yesh well there is a fifference a. If omly God is immortal nan cant put on a immortal body bscauss only God is immortal ... Contradiction

Its not a contradiction. You just aren't reading accurately.

Only God is immortal. That is a true statement.

Us mortals put on immortality. When does this happen? Its very important to know so you don't go thinking there are contradictions.

At the last trump.

The last trump hasn't happened yet. So only God is immortal. God will give us our immortal bodies at the last trump.


So what is the contradiction?

 

[Blik]

So Paul can be believed because he truly speaks for the lord. If Paul tells us that the 119th Psalm in cancelled, we can believe Paul. Did Paul do that?

 

[evyaniy]

i read through all the posts and did not see this mentioned. If i missed it i apologize.

Psalm 119 is key to understanding all of Scripture. The key to understanding Psalm 119 is knowing Whose prayer it is.

Psalm 119 is Yahshua's prayer for life based on the promise of life in the Law in Leviticus 18:4 and 5.

Leviticus 18:4 and 5
You shall do My ordinances, and You shall keep My statutes, and walk in them: I am the YHVH Your Elohiym. You shall therefore keep My statutes and My ordinances; which if a Man does, He shall live by them: I am YHVH.

Yahshua prays for Life the Hebrew word chaYAH 16 times in Psalm 119. ChaYAH is translated to revive many times in most translations. He was asking for life because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us. He was asking to be raised from the dead. The Law was His path to life because of His obedience. Only He could fulfill the law by offering His sinless life to save us.

There are key verses in Psalm 119 that show it is Yahshua's prayer. No one else could pray this prayer, which if we are honest must all admit.

Here is one section verses 73-80.

Your hands have made Me and formed Me. Give Me understanding, that I may learn Your mitzvot. Those who fear You will see Me and be glad, Because I have put My hope in Your Word. YHVH, I know that Your judgments are righteous, That in faithfulness You have afflicted Me. Please let Your lovingkindness be for My comfort, According to Your Word to Your Servant. Let Your tender mercies come to Me, that I may live(chaYAH); For Your law is My delight. Let the proud be put to shame, for they have overthrown Me wrongfully. I will meditate on Your precepts. Let those who fear You turn to Me. They will know Your statutes. Let My heart be blameless toward Your decrees, That I may not be put to shame.

When you read Psalm 119 with the understanding that it is Yahshua praying to His Father, it makes complete sense. In fact, it reveals so much. He prays for us, that we will turn to Him. He asks to be raised to life(chaYAH) and praises the law which was Life to Him because of His obedience.

The Law was fulfilled, when He breathed His last breath on the cross and said it is finished, into Your hands I commend My Spirit. In that moment He had completely obeyed the law. Psalm 119 is His prayer for life because of His obedience in saving us.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

oh ye of little understanding

now trying to enter by the back door

there actually is a parable about that

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So Paul can be believed because he truly speaks for the lord. If Paul tells us that the 119th Psalm in cancelled, we can believe Paul. Did Paul do that?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Many posts say the law is cancelled, I hope that answers to this thread will make their position clear. If the law is cancelled, so is the 119th Psalm.

no blik. that is not true. that is just more of your lack of comprehension telling you that...or perhaps you like to twist is what is said also?

what people are saying is that JESUS FULFILLED THE LAW BECAUSE WE COULD NOT DO SO

That, is IN the Bible and that is what we are agreeing with

everyone who is not a believer is still judged by the law

if you continue to state anyone said otherwise, then we will have to conclude you are deliberately lying

 

[bojack]

Psalm 119:1-2 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.​

Gal. 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I understand that when scripture speaks of “under the law” it means using the law for our salvation and does not tell us to ignore the law for our guidance. When scripture tells us we are under grace, my understanding is that we are saved by the grace of the Lord, and has nothing to do with our need to obey God. Do you think this is wrong?

Many posts say the law is cancelled, I hope that answers to this thread will make their position clear. If the law is cancelled, so is the 119th Psalm.

Many posters say the law has been cancelled, but if it has been cancelled then the 119th Psalm is not truth. We are told in this psalm that the law is eternal.

We know many things in the OT has been changed, just as Christ is the innocent blood that was symbolized in the OT. It is now wrong to use animal blood as a symbol for Christ. It is required, however, that we learn what the animal blood did so we better understand what Christ does for us for now Christ is the innocent blood.

The form of innocent blood shed was changed, was the law changed? Is it wrong to belief in the 119th Psalm as scripture?

Hi Blik .. Paul was chosen to minister to the gentiles right ? IMO Who better than Paul ? He was a Pharisee of pharasees and expert in Jewish law probably more than the others.. What a great choice for us gentiles, right ? He was qualified to give the Spirit meaning within the law so no I don't think Paul over wrote the OT but puts in better perspective according to context or points he stressed at the moment but still pitched in the strike zone without much contradiction, faith vs works with discernment.. Also his teaching imo keeps us from being bullied into Jewish or other misunderstanding .. Peter said 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[JaumeJ]

i read through all the posts and did not see this mentioned. If i missed it i apologize.

Psalm 119 is key to understanding all of Scripture. The key to understanding Psalm 119 is knowing Whose prayer it is.

Psalm 119 is Yahshua's prayer for life based on the promise of life in the Law in Leviticus 18:4 and 5.

Leviticus 18:4 and 5
You shall do My ordinances, and You shall keep My statutes, and walk in them: I am the YHVH Your Elohiym. You shall therefore keep My statutes and My ordinances; which if a Man does, He shall live by them: I am YHVH.

Yahshua prays for Life the Hebrew word chaYAH 16 times in Psalm 119. ChaYAH is translated to revive many times in most translations. He was asking for life because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us. He was asking to be raised from the dead. The Law was His path to life because of His obedience. Only He could fulfill the law by offering His sinless life to save us.

There are key verses in Psalm 119 that show it is Yahshua's prayer. No one else could pray this prayer, which if we are honest must all admit.

Here is one section verses 73-80.

Your hands have made Me and formed Me. Give Me understanding, that I may learn Your mitzvot. Those who fear You will see Me and be glad, Because I have put My hope in Your Word. YHVH, I know that Your judgments are righteous, That in faithfulness You have afflicted Me. Please let Your lovingkindness be for My comfort, According to Your Word to Your Servant. Let Your tender mercies come to Me, that I may live(chaYAH); For Your law is My delight. Let the proud be put to shame, for they have overthrown Me wrongfully. I will meditate on Your precepts. Let those who fear You turn to Me. They will know Your statutes. Let My heart be blameless toward Your decrees, That I may not be put to shame.

When you read Psalm 119 with the understanding that it is Yahshua praying to His Father, it makes complete sense. In fact, it reveals so much. He prays for us, that we will turn to Him. He asks to be raised to life(chaYAH) and praises the law which was Life to Him because of His obedience.

The Law was fulfilled, when He breathed His last breath on the cross and said it is finished, into Your hands I commend My Spirit. In that moment He had completely obeyed the law. Psalm 119 is His prayer for life because of His obedience in saving us.

Psalm 119 is a blessing for all. Here is something that dblesses the heart and soul. Read it replacing the word, "Word," each time with the name of the Word in the flesh, Jesus, Yeshua...

 

[Dave-L]

Psalm 119:1-2 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.​

Gal. 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I understand that when scripture speaks of “under the law” it means using the law for our salvation and does not tell us to ignore the law for our guidance. When scripture tells us we are under grace, my understanding is that we are saved by the grace of the Lord, and has nothing to do with our need to obey God. Do you think this is wrong?

Many posts say the law is cancelled, I hope that answers to this thread will make their position clear. If the law is cancelled, so is the 119th Psalm.

Many posters say the law has been cancelled, but if it has been cancelled then the 119th Psalm is not truth. We are told in this psalm that the law is eternal.

We know many things in the OT has been changed, just as Christ is the innocent blood that was symbolized in the OT. It is now wrong to use animal blood as a symbol for Christ. It is required, however, that we learn what the animal blood did so we better understand what Christ does for us for now Christ is the innocent blood.

The form of innocent blood shed was changed, was the law changed? Is it wrong to belief in the 119th Psalm as scripture?

Here's how I understand it. Law is for bad people. Good people like Abraham need not be threatened with death for doing bad things. The New Birth, present in all believers since Abel prevents a habitual sinful lifestyle. But the born again in Israel were so few, God forced the wicked majority to act like they loved people through the Ten Commandments. If they behaved he would bless them materially. If they did not, he would have them killed, or he would send sickness or famine and such.

In the New Covenant, God got rid of the Law and the wicked unbelievers, leaving only the believers like Abraham, Abel, Paul, the early Church, etc. We use the TC to frame our thoughts but by nature of the New Birth, we don't need law. We have the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people imbedded in our hearts.

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (KJV 1900)

 

[garee]

Psalm 119:1-2 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.​

Gal. 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I understand that when scripture speaks of “under the law” it means using the law for our salvation and does not tell us to ignore the law for our guidance. When scripture tells us we are under grace, my understanding is that we are saved by the grace of the Lord, and has nothing to do with our need to obey God. Do you think this is wrong?

Many posts say the law is cancelled, I hope that answers to this thread will make their position clear. If the law is cancelled, so is the 119th Psalm.

Many posters say the law has been cancelled, but if it has been cancelled then the 119th Psalm is not truth. We are told in this psalm that the law is eternal.

We know many things in the OT has been changed, just as Christ is the innocent blood that was symbolized in the OT. It is now wrong to use animal blood as a symbol for Christ. It is required, however, that we learn what the animal blood did so we better understand what Christ does for us for now Christ is the innocent blood.

The form of innocent blood shed was changed, was the law changed? Is it wrong to belief in the 119th Psalm as scripture?

I would also offer. Psalms 19. The perfect of complete law is made up of two. Apart from each other they serve no purpose.

The letter of the law "death" it will be cast in the judgment of God on the last day .It will not rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation.

Two. The "Spirit of the law" called the "law of faith" the unseen it indwells the believers body of death as His power not of us. it as a incorruptible spirit will rise on the same last day and all the saints will receive the new bodies.

What the letter of the law death could not do the unseen spirit of faith the unseen work of faith or labor of love of. The father working with the Son seen they did perform it making it perfect. .

Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Therefore completing the circuit . The Christian's circular reasoning law not subject to change. Making us simply onse that have no way to seek after in order to understand or unseen God. . made wise by His wisdom . His commandments working in us enlightening the eyes of our new born again hearts.

His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.12

 

[Dino246]

Therefore completing the circuit . The Christian's circular reasoning law not subject to change.

No such thing. You only make yourself look foolish when you misuse terms that you don't understand.