Did the apostles teach baptism?

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If you believed he understood what you meant, why bother explaining to Dan now?

Oh, I get it, really, I do. It is just more of your denials :rolleyes::oops::rolleyes:
Ok, I don't have anymore time to play right now so I'll have to drop it here, maybe we can play later.
 

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i take it that 'the answer of a good conscience toward God' means this is what one naturally does when one's conscience is clear.
not that this clears the conscience, but that the enmity being taken away, being justified through faith, putting away the filth of the flesh is what is fitting and right.
when Zacchaeus ((Luke 19:1-10)) declared he would give half his possessions to the poor and repaying double the penalty required by the law to anyone he had cheated, it wasn't these financial acts that brought salvation to his house; rather, it was Salvation - in person - having come to his house that moved him to do those things, which became visible testimony of the invisible.
Jesus Christ, The Invisible God made Visible, came to his house
to seek and to save the lost -- and there were tangible repercussions in the answer of Zacchaeus's good conscience. when a shepherd finds a lost sheep, does he wash and groom him immediately in the wilderness or when he has brought him back into the fold? but at what point is he 'found'?


((as i see it)) :)
Thanks for your take on the matter. I don't have any issue with it, but I posted it a while ago and the thread has moved on. I'll just briefly give my understanding. In Romans 4:11 we learn that Abraham received circumcision as a "sign". That is, when he was circumcised, the actual act really did not change anything physically. But it changed a lot in his status with God. He had gone from pure faith into a Covenant. And God took this Covenant so seriously that besides His immutable Word, He took an oath - a sort of "double guarantee" (Heb.6:17). So is Baptism. It is a "sign". It in itself does not much. But in one's standing and walk with God, a lot changes. In he case you alluded to in my posting, when one is Baptized, God honors the sign by wiping your conscience. We all have a past life, and some of us did some pretty gruesome things. We are thus burdened by our conscience.

But, just as the flood of Noah wiped all evidence of all the evil that had happened on the face of the earth, so your conscience is wiped by God when you show the "sign" of being immersed. Just one point. Your MEMORY is not wiped. If you were in Vietnam and driven a whole family into their hut and then torched it while they were in there, you would REMEMBER this horror, AND you would have a CONSCIENCE. Baptism causes God to wipe your conscience so that you can serve God without the baggage. You'll remember it to your dying day, and if you want dwell in your memory you might have consequences. But as you stand before God, your conscience is clear. So, just like salvation, the water itself does not do anything. But the act is a "sign" to God that you enter into whatever He has offered.
 

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I know what he means, and he knows what I mean. I don't need any explanation from you as to what someone else means. If there is some misunderstanding between me and another we can sort it out with out any assistance.
And like I said we ain't coming to any common ground on the matter so, I leave him to his, and he can leave me to mine, and the same goes for you.
Do I detect a whiff of arrogance in this post?
 

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I told you that I don't need your input, which does not remove your freedom to give it. It simply let's you know that I don't need it so I disregard it. Think of it as a courtesy really, so you don't waist your time responding to me. Because we don't agree on anything.
I am so glad that I welcomed everyone's input however imperfect it is because there are always little jewels to be found in the dirt. I am very aware that mining companies have to mine copious amounts of dirt to get to the jewels which are priceless.
 
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BEING BAPTIZED IS PART OF OUR FAITH OF FOLLOWING JESUS = YESUAH, AND represents, THE DEATH, THE BURIAL, AND THE RESURECTION, THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW YESUAH = JESUS IN, IF YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS, MY ADVISE IS TO FOLLOW JESUS AND BE BAPTIZED, IN THE NAME OF YESUAH, NOT IN THREE TITLES<, FATHER, AND SON AND HOLY GHOST IS NOT NAMES, THEY ARE TITLES,

Emphasis or seriousness IS what i use the large capital latter for most of the time
The convention is that if you use capital letters all the time you are shouting.
 
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My baptism is a work of God.
Baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ Jesus by faith. If baptism was a work of man it would be a great soggy nothing. It would be futility.
Yes god baptized you into Christ

Has absolutely nothing to do with the command if water baptism. 2 separate events
one is done by God at the moment of faith
One is done by man as a ceremony of giving a testimony before men of what God did at the Moment you had faith
 
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Yes god baptized you into Christ

Has absolutely nothing to do with the command if water baptism. 2 separate events
one is done by God at the moment of faith
One is done by man as a ceremony of giving a testimony before men of what God did at the Moment you had faith
Here is where we depart from each other.
 
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Here is where we depart from each other.
I have to stick with the word of God man. Making water baptism essential is no different than making circumcision essential as Paul said in col 2. It’s not the ones by the hand if men it’s by the hand of God. Both represent cleansing and are commands of God this in context of the law and the church should be obeyed. But you have to give credit where credit is due. You pasted, who is a sinner can no more cleanse you than a sinful priest couod cleanse an 8 day old
 
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I have to stick with the word of God man. Making water baptism essential is no different than making circumcision essential as Paul said in col 2. It’s not the ones by the hand if men it’s by the hand of God. Both represent cleansing and are commands of God this in context of the law and the church should be obeyed. But you have to give credit where credit is due. You pasted, who is a sinner can no more cleanse you than a sinful priest couod cleanse an 8 day old
I don't think we are too far apart on this. For what I can tell, the primary difference is that while we agree that God does a work at believing and repentance, I believe he also does a work at water baptism.
 
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Romans 6:3

Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Colossians 2:12

having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

1 Corinthians 12:13

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27

For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:13

Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

1 Peter 3:21

Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Looks like the Apostles taught baptism.
Great post. Baptism, communion, repentance, all of it is out and optional to some people here. We instead have a believe it and just believe it once and you're good to go. Anytime someone mentions something else they always have to add "not for salvation though" even though the Scriptures themselves never say anything like this.
 
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I don't think we are too far apart on this. For what I can tell, the primary difference is that while we agree that God does a work at believing and repentance, I believe he also does a work at water baptism.
But the work at faith saves

Where the work at baptism has nothing to do with salvation

would you agree?
 
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Great post. Baptism, communion, repentance, all of it is out and optional to some people here. We instead have a believe it and just believe it once and you're good to go. Anytime someone mentions something else they always have to add "not for salvation though" even though the Scriptures themselves never say anything like this.
Romans 6 is spirit baptism. No water was involved