Did you all know that there are three heavens

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Zmouth

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Means you don't hear it, or rather I should say ask your teacher..
 

Jewel5712

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So how is your Hebrew coming along? Oh, right, you can't learn Hebrew, because that would require learning from another human.

This lone-ranger plan of yours has one destination: a deep ditch. Love tells the truth. Truth sometimes doesn't feel loving though.
I dont normally agree with her but in her defense she has a right to stand by her beliefs even if we dont agree with them because everyones walk with God and understanding of scripture is different..

Btw..i could care less bout the lunar eclipse as well..lol ;)
 

Dino246

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I dont normally agree with her but in her defense she has a right to stand by her beliefs even if we dont agree with them because everyones walk with God and understanding of scripture is different..

Btw..i could care less bout the lunar eclipse as well..lol ;)
In principle I agree with you. She does indeed have a right to stand by her beliefs, such as they are. However, she defends them as soundly biblical; with that I cannot agree. :)
 

Zmouth

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I don't have a teacher.
No offense but that was obvious, but then again none of know that we don't know until someone shows us what we didn't see if you hear what I am saying.
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1 Thess 5:21​

Earlier you had cited the passage about Jesus seeing all the kingdoms of the earth in a moment of time, now a lot people will tell you that there is no way you can see all the kingdoms of the earth on a globe in a moment of time.

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 3:12​

And if those earthly things he told us about are not true then why should anyone believe what he said about heavenly things?

Simple fact is that the answer to whether or not all the kingdoms of the earth can be seen in a moment of time can be proven; although some might not like the answer....

If you can't see any land mass from this side of the earth satellite image
of the earth then how much of the land mass would you see from the other side, all of it?

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See John 3:11
 

trofimus

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I dont normally agree with her but in her defense she has a right to stand by her beliefs even if we dont agree with them because everyones walk with God and understanding of scripture is different..

Btw..i could care less bout the lunar eclipse as well..lol ;)
Earth is flat, there is a solid dome above, we cannot get to space, everything about space and planets is a lie and GPS works as electricity or internet work - by a magic.

Everything that is against this belief we will ignore (like lunar eclipse everybody could see some weeks ago).

This belief does not deserve any defense. Not publicly. This belief is stupid.

Right to believe? Well, everybody has a right to believe any stupidity he wants. But she went public with it and propagate it between Christians. Why to defend such ignorance? Christianity has always been based on truth. Truth is a basic element of Christianity.
 

Jewel5712

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Earth is flat, there is a solid dome above, we cannot get to space, everything about space and planets is a lie and GPS works as electricity or internet work - by a magic.

Everything that is against this belief we will ignore (like lunar eclipse everybody could see some weeks ago).

This belief does not deserve any defense. Not publicly. This belief is stupid.

Right to believe? Well, everybody has a right to believe any stupidity he wants. But she went public with it and propagate it between Christians. Why to defend such ignorance? Christianity has always been based on truth. Truth is a basic element of Christianity.
Question: if a newbie in christ was in here and thier "stupid beliefs" ( because lack of knowledge and insight) but you didnt KNOW he was a newbie...would you be so hard on them? If so..what would Jesus do?
 

Jewel5712

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Earth is flat, there is a solid dome above, we cannot get to space, everything about space and planets is a lie and GPS works as electricity or internet work - by a magic.

Everything that is against this belief we will ignore (like lunar eclipse everybody could see some weeks ago).

This belief does not deserve any defense. Not publicly. This belief is stupid.

Right to believe? Well, everybody has a right to believe any stupidity he wants. But she went public with it and propagate it between Christians. Why to defend such ignorance? Christianity has always been based on truth. Truth is a basic element of Christianity.
Im defending the PERSON..her beliefs are her own for whatever way she got them just like youre beliefs are YOUR own..cant fault someome for maybe not knowing better..thats saying that NONE of us have anything more yo learn in this life bout God or the scriptures? So please..put your "stones" away :)
 

Zmouth

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Christianity has always been based on truth. Truth is a basic element of Christianity.
That is rich. I hope my question doesn't offend you but is there any particular reason why the gospel is freely given if christianity is actually based upon truth.

Of course it is, the gospel is given to Christians to know the mystery of the kingdom of God but unto them that are without the gospel is given in parables so that by seeing we can not see and by hearing we hear not. So wouldn't it go to follow that the gospel is given to Christians so that those Christians which see not might see and hear not might hear.

So it would only follow that the NT scriptures wouldn't have been written because Christians don't know the truth but because they know that no lie is of the truth.

However, she defends them as soundly biblical; with that I cannot agree. :)
I finally found some posts by an flat-earther advocate on another cite which suggest that this is a new way to draw people to Christ. According to my understanding of the post, the flat earther was claiming that in a relatively short period of time he had brought more people to Christ and in greater numbers than he had experience using any other method before.

Since no prophesy of scripture is of any private interpretation, if the flat earthers interpretation are not as Biblically sound as any other interpretations, Then what criteria do you assert an interpretation must adhere to in order to for Biblical soundness of a doctrine. I am not sure that falsehood or deception is prohibited by NT, although I had heard that Muslims are allowed to lie to
certain people, but seeing that I am not allow to read from a Quran then reason follows reason the I would conclude that been found it written in Paul's gospel then if it is I would suggest that the reason then I believe the reason would be self-evident.

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Rom 3:7
 

trofimus

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That is rich. I hope my question doesn't offend you but is there any particular reason why the gospel is freely given if christianity is actually based upon truth.
I do not understand what you mean by this question. What is a relation between some teaching based on truth and free giving of this teaching?
 

trofimus

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Im defending the PERSON..her beliefs are her own for whatever way she got them just like youre beliefs are YOUR own..cant fault someome for maybe not knowing better..thats saying that NONE of us have anything more yo learn in this life bout God or the scriptures? So please..put your "stones" away :)
What stones? This is a discussion forum and saying these are lies is not stoning...

We do not come to her home town and do not limit her life. So there is not need to "defend her personally".
 

Jewel5712

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What stones? This is a discussion forum and saying these are lies is not stoning...

We do not come to her home town and do not limit her life. So there is not need to "defend her personally".
Yes..im fully aware of what this forum is and what its become amongst sac religious pompus christians that seem to do no wrong and quick to condemn..dont like being called that then maybe we gotta show a bit more respect especially if we DONT agree with someones views.

If you go to OTHER forums you dont see NEARLY as much contension and bible slinging..gotta ask yourself...WHY IS THAT? And im preaching to the choir here too as its easy for me to get caught up on that religious band wagon and pick up a "stone" when i dont agree with whats being said...THATS my point...more respect n agree to disagree..;)
 

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My wife grew up in the RLDS church (similar to LDS) and was falsely taught that the third Heaven was divided into 3 separate compartments - 1. Celestial 2. Terrestrial 3. Telestial

In the so called "Inspired" version of the bible, Joseph Smith "added" the word "telestial" to support his false doctrine.

1 Corinthians 15:40 (IV) - Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies "telestial;" but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the "telestial," another.

The Word of God actually says (NKJV) - There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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There are probably demons stationed at the corners of your neighborhood. You don't understand, What this whole life is about. There is an invisible war. And we are the subject matter. Evil against good. You need to take it a little more serious.

oh that is so 'Christian fiction book about demons'

I have news for you. go to church...there are usually quite few hanging about seeking whom they might devour

I don't understand? far better than you dear. far better than you

but of course, no one but you understands :rolleyes:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Lol..hilarious! Lol. Gotta get the SPF 100! Lol. Sunburn commin on..lol
did you read about or hear where they have launched a probe to go closer to the sun than anything before?...launched a couple of days ago now I think

but who cares about science, right? o_O lol!