Dietary Law?

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Dietary Law: Yes or No?

  • Yes, Law is still in place

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, I can eat what I want

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .
Jan 19, 2013
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is this part of the leviticus priesthood ? Does it stand for us today in the NT ?

Leviticus 18:23King James Version (KJV)

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
See Ro 1:26-28 regarding sexual perversion.

Luke 11:41King James Version (KJV)

41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

this verse has nothing to do with food
"All things" are all things, including food.
 

Hizikyah

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I understand those are your personal interpretations of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.
OK I understand, but you will not touch Isayah 66, so people view things differently.... complete ignoring of Scripture, come on.

Can we stop now?
 
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See Ro 1:26-28 regarding sexual perversion.


"All things" are all things, including food.
is beastiality mentioned there ? no it is not

1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Leviticus 10:10
And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

Leviticus 11:45
For I am the Lord that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

 
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Can you link me to your breakdown of
Isayah 66? Because that is what I have asked about a number of times. SO if you didnt break that down, you did not answer my question.
I have answered many times that personal interpretations of prophetic riddles vary greatly,
and that no personal interpretations are certain and authoritative.

Therefore, with no basis for deciding differences on the points, a discussion would be pointless.

Likewise, I don't much engage in uncertain personal interpretation of prophetic riddles
and have little to offer regarding them.
I stay with certain and authoritative Scriptural teaching.
 
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is beastiality mentioned there ? no it is not
It goes without saying that man was given a woman as his helper, rather than an animal.

Genesis 2:18-25:

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said,
“ This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.



The fuel tank in your car is a container that can hold most liquids. Would you put water in it? No, because that device wasn't designed to contain water. Any content other than gasoline would be contrary to its intended purpose.

Romans 1:26-28 doesn't mention beastiality because it didn't need to be mentioned.. it is implied elsewhere.
 
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It goes without saying that man was given a woman as his helper, rather than an animal.

Genesis 2:18-25:

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said,
“ This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.



The fuel tank in your car is a container that can hold most liquids. Would you put water in it? No, because that device wasn't designed to contain water. Any content other than gasoline would be contrary to its intended purpose.

Romans 1:26-28 doesn't mention beastiality because it didn't need to be mentioned.. it is implied elsewhere.
interesting how we pick what we want to believe the point is this taking tattooes is forbidden in the old thus one has to go back to the OT to prove that to someone likewise man with animal etc
yet many say that the OT is done away with :confused: in genesis the diet laws were given the commanments also
 
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So you think beastiality is Biblically lawful?
This is what I think and yeah lev 11 is in the book of leviticus just to remind you also
Leviticus 17:10-14King James Version (KJV)

10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

Leviticus 18:23King James Version (KJV)


23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
 
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yet Adam could not eat all herbs and food caused the downfall of mankind
Technically, not all foods, but whatever was outside the Garden was allowed. It is assumed that the flora and fauna in the Garden of Eden were not peculiar to that outside the garden. The only fruit tree guarded by angels was the Tree of Life, which is assumed to no longer be on earth. So yes, one plant food was denied. All outside the garden were for eating, with no creatures that move prohibited until the Mosaic covenant. Any prohibited species was for Jews (Israel) only.

God's will for Gentiles was nailed down in the Noahic Covenant, which has not ended. It has far outlived the Mosaic.
After wiping out all flesh outside the Ark, Noah faced a new world with very few limitations. Genesis 9:1-7 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.


All moving things, insects, snakes, armadillos, even the filthiest wild hog covered with mud and eating everything it can chew and swallow, was to be eaten. It's still so for all the world of people except by serious Jews who keep the diet God required of Jews, not ever Gentiles, certainly not Christians. Nothing that moves is off limits. That isn't to say some parts of some animals could kill you, like a pufferfish or stonefish. Well, they don't have scales, so Jews are safe.

The two prohibitions, one more than Adam had, is eating flesh with the blood in it (not bled out), and murder. Men were also allowed to kill people who murder (shed blood).

The prohibition against eating blood was before the Mosaic laws, carried forth under the Noahic covenant to continue to be required of Gentile Christians.

While at it, we have this from Jesus..............Bulletin...............Hear Ye all...........

Matthew 15:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]
And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
That's for us Christians. Let the Jews keep their prohibitions. They are for them alone.
 
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Hey Wordswordsman, Paul spoke of those who know the truth..which is contained in Torah.

If you think[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

translates into..
All moving things, insects, snakes, armadillos, even the filthiest wild hog covered with mud and eating everything it can chew and swallow, was to be eaten. It's still so for all the world of people except by serious Jews who keep the diet God required of Jews, not ever Gentiles, certainly not Christians. Nothing that moves is off limits. That isn't to say some parts of some animals could kill you, like a pufferfish or stonefish. Well, they don't have scales, so Jews are safe.

???????????

...then all I got to say is why not include hemlock, poison ivy, deadly nightshade??? Obviously some things are not considered food, whether plant or animal. Clearly Noah had already been instructed as to clean and unclean, and unclean is not even classified as food for human consumption. God designed many of the unclean animals for the specific purpose of disposing of the earth's garbage.
 
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we are given free will, but then the Father tells us, do this and this happens, don't do that, and this won't happen, common sense. Father will never tell us to do something that will harm us, He is always giving us information that will help us.
 

john832

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Jesus said it is not what goes into the belly that defiles but what comes out of the heart.

Strain the gnat and swallow the camel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
When it comes to being spiritually defiled, that is true. When it comes to properly fueling and maintaining the body that is not ours...


1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

It is just as wrong to gorge on a high fat, high carb diet and sit on the couch without any exercise and destroy the temple by a lifestyle that promotes cardio-vascular disease. Same for smoking two packs a day and causing lung cancer.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Notice verse 20? Glorify God in...

1) Your body.

2) Your spirit.
 

john832

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Hey Wordswordsman, Paul spoke of those who know the truth..which is contained in Torah.

If you think[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

translates into..
All moving things, insects, snakes, armadillos, even the filthiest wild hog covered with mud and eating everything it can chew and swallow, was to be eaten. It's still so for all the world of people except by serious Jews who keep the diet God required of Jews, not ever Gentiles, certainly not Christians. Nothing that moves is off limits. That isn't to say some parts of some animals could kill you, like a pufferfish or stonefish. Well, they don't have scales, so Jews are safe.

???????????

...then all I got to say is why not include hemlock, poison ivy, deadly nightshade??? Obviously some things are not considered food, whether plant or animal. Clearly Noah had already been instructed as to clean and unclean, and unclean is not even classified as food for human consumption. God designed many of the unclean animals for the specific purpose of disposing of the earth's garbage.
Add to the list poison dart frog. MMMM, yummy.
 

john832

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See Ro 1:26-28 regarding sexual perversion.
Hmmm, bestiality is not mentioned in this. This is limited to homosexuality. This is an oblique reference at best. Here is a more direct reference that you reject...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

You and I and many other people know that the word for rest here is Sabbatismos and refers to keeping the Sabbath, yet if this reference is mentioned, you squall like a mashed cat.


"All things" are all things, including food.
How about bestiality? Is that clean? That is a part of all things.
 

john832

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I have answered many times that personal interpretations of prophetic riddles vary greatly,
and that no personal interpretations are certain and authoritative.

Therefore, with no basis for deciding differences on the points, a discussion would be pointless.

Likewise, I don't much engage in uncertain personal interpretation of prophetic riddles
and have little to offer regarding them.
I stay with certain and authoritative Scriptural teaching.
Your personal twists on the scripture are very interesting and obviously completely accurate. (tongue in cheek)
 

Hizikyah

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Hmmm, bestiality is not mentioned in this. This is limited to homosexuality. This is an oblique reference at best. Here is a more direct reference that you reject...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

You and I and many other people know that the word for rest here is Sabbatismos and refers to keeping the Sabbath, yet if this reference is mentioned, you squall like a mashed cat.
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And Yahweh rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of Yahweh, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as Yahweh did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."
 

john832

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Technically, not all foods, but whatever was outside the Garden was allowed. It is assumed that the flora and fauna in the Garden of Eden were not peculiar to that outside the garden. The only fruit tree guarded by angels was the Tree of Life, which is assumed to no longer be on earth. So yes, one plant food was denied. All outside the garden were for eating, with no creatures that move prohibited until the Mosaic covenant. Any prohibited species was for Jews (Israel) only.

God's will for Gentiles was nailed down in the Noahic Covenant, which has not ended. It has far outlived the Mosaic.
After wiping out all flesh outside the Ark, Noah faced a new world with very few limitations. Genesis 9:1-7 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.


All moving things, insects, snakes, armadillos, even the filthiest wild hog covered with mud and eating everything it can chew and swallow, was to be eaten. It's still so for all the world of people except by serious Jews who keep the diet God required of Jews, not ever Gentiles, certainly not Christians. Nothing that moves is off limits. That isn't to say some parts of some animals could kill you, like a pufferfish or stonefish. Well, they don't have scales, so Jews are safe.

The two prohibitions, one more than Adam had, is eating flesh with the blood in it (not bled out), and murder. Men were also allowed to kill people who murder (shed blood).

The prohibition against eating blood was before the Mosaic laws, carried forth under the Noahic covenant to continue to be required of Gentile Christians.

While at it, we have this from Jesus..............Bulletin...............Hear Ye all...........

Matthew 15:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]
And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
That's for us Christians. Let the Jews keep their prohibitions. They are for them alone.
Here is another bulletin...

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

So, three packs a day, no problem?
 
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When it comes to being spiritually defiled, that is true. When it comes to properly fueling and maintaining the body that is not ours...

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
In context, Paul is not speaking of food.

He is speaking of the one temple, the church, the body of Christ, being defiled (corrupted, destroyed)
by factions and quarrels (3:2-4).