Dietary Law?

[ELECT]

NT revelation is the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Are you saying Jesus' revelation in 1Co 4:15-16 contradicts Jesus' revelation in Mt 23:9?
Or that you do not understand what Paul writes in 1Co 4:15-16?


Are you saying that to obey Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10;
Col 2:16-19 is lawless?

[h=1]Romans 14:14King James Version (KJV)[/h]14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
koinos and koinoo appear throughout the New Testament to refer to this kind of ceremonial uncleanness. Something could be "common"—ceremonially unclean—even though it was otherwise considered a clean meat.

 

[ELECT]

I'm not your enemy, I am just very repulsed that you cant be open, transparent, honest, once in your posts. Without making a thousand riddles, like you would talk with your sister.

everyone has there own way of discussing some may like it others may not but like i said I learn from the best


Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

 

[SoulWeaver]

everyone has there own way of discussing some may like it others may not but like i said I learn from the best

Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Notice He spoke in parables to the world, but to the disciples He talked plainly.
John 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Your style to ask questions only and never give answers to people pretty much disables the equality in conversation because people only answer to you. Jesus is Jesus so I dont mind just answering to Him if He wants me to, but you are man, we should all be equal. If I ask you something and if I respond to you, I should get a reply as well, not an endless row of questions without knowing even where it is going, which seems to be what everyone gets from you, younger or elder. It is not a matter of liking and disliking, it is a matter of respect, brotherhood in Jesus, and being humble.

 

[Elin]

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you;Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Are you saying that Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19
are untrue?

So you must think the words of the Messiah are in opposition to that?

No, I asked a question.

What is your answer?

I will break down Col 2 as that is probably the most used and strongest case for Lawlessness.

Col 2 is neither the most used nor the strongest case for lawlessness regarding clean and unclean food,
nor is the explanation you provided to the point--its truth.

Please show all of the above are not true.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Hello,

Is the dietary law still voided or not? If not, please provide scriptures. Here's my take:

Leviticus 11:26-47
Isaiah 66:15-17
Matthew 5:17-18

Acts 15:19-20 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

That is the sum of what is required of Gentiles in Christ, acts that have connection to the old Mosaic covenant. That is all God wants Gentile Christians to have out of the Mosaic Covenant! Whatever else might be the same or similar is taught directly in the words of the New Covenant, verified by al lthe apostles that did write scriptures.

We know now that meat ought to be cooked to about 165 F to kill off pathogens. Besides the health part, it is still highly offensive to those of practically every religion, even atheists, for anyone to turn up a glass of raw blood. No Christians has any business keeping idols and the corruption of spirit associated with those, even though as Paul wrote, we know they are not alive and don't have power. Most societies, not connected to Judaism or Christianity, have laws prohibiting fornication in some degree, at least setting minimum age of consent.

Pork is free from the pathogens/parasites once common in them. Uncooked chicken is actually many times more hazardous than anything prohibited to the Jews. Tests are showing processed chickens are so prone to disease contamination, three strains of salmonella now, and other serious germs, we should wear plastic gloves when handling, never washing one in a sink, but putting it directly in a pot then carefully removing the wrapper without splattering on the kitchen counter. Cutting it up to be fried multiplies the chances of gross contamination, serious infections possible if pricked by a chicken bone, so never run your hand in the cavity to retrieve organs. I have not seen any such warnings for handling pork.

The dietary laws were not centered around health, as that is not made evident in scriptures, but to distinguish Israel from all other tribes on earth. Today one of Israel's top exports is chicken, not on their kosher black list.

 

[ELECT]

Notice He spoke in parables to the world, but to the disciples He talked plainly.
John 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Your style to ask questions only and never give answers to people pretty much disables the equality in conversation because people only answer to you. Jesus is Jesus so I dont mind just answering to Him if He wants me to, but you are man, we should all be equal. If I ask you something and if I respond to you, I should get a reply as well, not an endless row of questions without knowing even where it is going, which seems to be what everyone gets from you, younger or elder. It is not a matter of liking and disliking, it is a matter of respect, brotherhood in Jesus, and being humble.

seem you really dont understand that the bible is a book of parables

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Matthew 15:15
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

not only the disciples were following Christ at that time my friend

and again you can see it that way it does not bother me because there hated Jesus and were offended as for me otheres will understand my style and when those who adhere to lies are found wanting by the quetsions they say all sorts of stuff
interesting the ones who find the qusetuions are tricky are the one who say is i say yeah or nay i will be found in the balance

Dont say everyone because those that understand will get it

 

[Hizikyah]

No, I asked a question.

What is your answer?


Col 2 is neither the most used nor the strongest case for lawlessness regarding clean and unclean food,
nor is the explanation you provided to the point--its truth.

Please show all of the above are not true.

..........

 

[Hizikyah]

But lets really talk Isa 66, not just "you got a different view" but lets walk and talk?

I hear you, but I interpret prophetic riddles differently than you do.

..........

 

[ELECT]

Many know that it is wrong for christians to smoke because it will defile the temple of God yet they say oh no it is not what goes in that defile the man not undrstanding that To eat wiith unwashed hands does not defile a man it why Jesus said what he said
that is not a trick but a question to provoke truth in the reader know ye not that ye are the temple of God therefore God temple can be defiled by things going inside and oh yeah tattooes interesting

 

[Elin]

Are you saying that to obey Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10;
Col 2:16-19 is lawless?

Im saying:

There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people.

So you are not saying that Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10;
Col 2:16-19 are the error of lawless people.

 

[ELECT]

Notice He spoke in parables to the world, but to the disciples He talked plainly.
John 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Your style to ask questions only and never give answers to people pretty much disables the equality in conversation because people only answer to you. Jesus is Jesus so I dont mind just answering to Him if He wants me to, but you are man, we should all be equal. If I ask you something and if I respond to you, I should get a reply as well, not an endless row of questions without knowing even where it is going, which seems to be what everyone gets from you, younger or elder. It is not a matter of liking and disliking, it is a matter of respect, brotherhood in Jesus, and being humble.

seems you are saying that you want me to respond the way you do no my friend i am different
it is not that you dont know where it is going it is the fact that the questions finds you wanting i did not come to be liked but to learn share what i i have learn

 

[Hizikyah]

Is Isayah 66 past, present or future?

If it is not past then how do you reconcile what is written within with your doctrine?

and I dont expect you to answer everything I wrote on the first page but do you think I made any errors in those posts? (one the first page thing I wot hold it against you if you dont want to read all of it, it is key to this topic but I understand you may not want to read through it.

But lets really talk Isa 66, not just "you got a different view" but lets walk and talk?

So you are not saying that Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10;
Col 2:16-19 are the error of lawless people.

Sister... hard to understand, warned not get carried away with Lawless....

Does not mean lies, I state nothing more than what is written.

I believe in establishing every doctrine in the mouth of 2 or more, so as not to misunderstand or be misled by another's error. and yes Peter and Paul both made mistakes. Yahshua did not.

I gave my breakdown of Col 2 and it was ignored so how you are acting like im not forthcoming im lost, especially when there are passages you will not touch, even after I specifically asked about. again if you were really trying to lead me to truth and really seeking truth, this would not be so IMO. I dont hate you, I dont judge you, but I can not believe you have my best interest at hand when you ignore all I ask. and not from a decieptful motive, but I assume from one of uncertainty, IDK that, I assume.

 

[Elin]

Romans 14:14King James Version (KJV)

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
koinos and koinoo appear throughout the New Testament to refer to this kind of ceremonial uncleanness.
Something could be "common"—ceremonially unclean—even though it was otherwise considered a clean meat.

Yes, those were the temporary Levitical ceremonial regulations based on the Levitical priesthood,
which were changed in the new order (Heb 9:10) with the priesthood of Melchizedek and its new
regulations of Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

 

[ELECT]

Acts 15:19-20 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

That is the sum of what is required of Gentiles in Christ, acts that have connection to the old Mosaic covenant. That is all God wants Gentile Christians to have out of the Mosaic Covenant! Whatever else might be the same or similar is taught directly in the words of the New Covenant, verified by al lthe apostles that did write scriptures.

We know now that meat ought to be cooked to about 165 F to kill off pathogens. Besides the health part, it is still highly offensive to those of practically every religion, even atheists, for anyone to turn up a glass of raw blood. No Christians has any business keeping idols and the corruption of spirit associated with those, even though as Paul wrote, we know they are not alive and don't have power. Most societies, not connected to Judaism or Christianity, have laws prohibiting fornication in some degree, at least setting minimum age of consent.

Pork is free from the pathogens/parasites once common in them. Uncooked chicken is actually many times more hazardous than anything prohibited to the Jews. Tests are showing processed chickens are so prone to disease contamination, three strains of salmonella now, and other serious germs, we should wear plastic gloves when handling, never washing one in a sink, but putting it directly in a pot then carefully removing the wrapper without splattering on the kitchen counter. Cutting it up to be fried multiplies the chances of gross contamination, serious infections possible if pricked by a chicken bone, so never run your hand in the cavity to retrieve organs. I have not seen any such warnings for handling pork.

The dietary laws were not centered around health, as that is not made evident in scriptures, but to distinguish Israel from all other tribes on earth. Today one of Israel's top exports is chicken, not on their kosher black list.

yet Adam could not eat all herbs and food caused the downfall of mankind

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes, those were the temporary Levitical ceremonial regulations based on the Levitical priesthood,
which were changed in the new order (Heb 9:10) with the priesthood of Melchizedek and its new
regulations of Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

During the reign of the High Priest after the order of the Malak Zadiq:

Isayah 66:17, 21-24, "They who sanctify themselves*, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh.""And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."

Zecharyah 14:16-21, "Then it will come to pass that everyone who survives of all the nations which came against Yerusalem, will also go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, by keeping the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. And it will be that if any families of the earth will not come up to Yerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then upon them will be no rain. family of Egypt will not come up and present themselves, they also will have no water; they will receive the same plague with which Yahweh of hosts strikes the heathen who will not come up to keep the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all nations that do not go up to keep the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. In that day there will even be engraved on the bells of the horses: Qodesh La-Yahweh; Holy to Yahweh; and the pots in Yahweh's House will be like the bowls before the altar. Yes, every pot in Yerusalem and Yahdah will be holy to Yahweh of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them, and boil the meat of the sacrifices in them. And in that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in The House of Yahweh of hosts."

and the end of the 1,000 year reign:
Peacful practice time (1,000 yr reign) is over, satan is loosed, an swiftly destroyed

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

 

[ELECT]

Yes, those were the temporary Levitical ceremonial regulations based on the Levitical priesthood,
which were changed in the new order (Heb 9:10) with the priesthood of Melchizedek and its new
regulations of Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

is this part of the leviticus priesthood ? Does it stand for us today in the NT ?

[h=1]Leviticus 18:23King James Version (KJV)[/h]23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.


[h=1]Luke 11:41King James Version (KJV)[/h]
41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

this verse has nothing to do with food

 

[ELECT]

Yes, those were the temporary Levitical ceremonial regulations based on the Levitical priesthood,
which were changed in the new order (Heb 9:10) with the priesthood of Melchizedek and its new
regulations of Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

luke 11:41
[h=1]Daniel 4:27King James Version (KJV)[/h]27 Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.

 

[Elin]

Im saying:

There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people.

So you are not saying that Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10;
Col 2:16-19 are the error of lawless people.

Sister... hard to understand, warned not get carried away with Lawless....

Does not mean lies, I state nothing more than what is written.

I gave my breakdown of Col 2 and it was ignored so how you are acting like im not forthcoming im lost,

Col 2 does not address all the others.

especially when there are passages you will not touch, even after I specifically asked about.

I addressed many times the issue of the old Levitical order with its regulations you presented,
and its replacement by the new order of Melchizedek with its new regulations of
Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

 

[Elin]

Yes, those were the temporary Levitical ceremonial regulations based on the Levitical priesthood, which were changed in the new order (Heb 9:10) with the priesthood of Melchizedek and its new regulations of
Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

During the reign of the High Priest after the order of the Malak Zadiq:

Isayah 66:17, 21-24, "They who sanctify themselves*, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh.""And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."

Zecharyah 14:16-21, "Then it will come to pass that everyone who survives of all the nations which came against Yerusalem, will also go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, by keeping the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. And it will be that if any families of the earth will not come up to Yerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then upon them will be no rain. family of Egypt will not come up and present themselves, they also will have no water; they will receive the same plague with which Yahweh of hosts strikes the heathen who will not come up to keep the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all nations that do not go up to keep the Feasts at The House of Yahweh. In that day there will even be engraved on the bells of the horses: Qodesh La-Yahweh; Holy to Yahweh; and the pots in Yahweh's House will be like the bowls before the altar. Yes, every pot in Yerusalem and Yahdah will be holy to Yahweh of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them, and boil the meat of the sacrifices in them. And in that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in The House of Yahweh of hosts."

and the end of the 1,000 year reign:
Peacful practice time (1,000 yr reign) is over, satan is loosed, an swiftly destroyed

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

I understand those are your personal interpretations of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

 

[Hizikyah]

Col 2 does not address all the others.


I addressed many times the issue of the old Levitical order with its regulations you presented,
and its replacement by the new order of Melchizedek with its new regulations of
Lk 11:41; Ro 14:14, 17, 20; 1Co 8:8, 10:25, 1Tim 4:3-5; Heb 9:9-10; Col 2:16-19.

Can you link me to your breakdown of Isayah 66? Because that is what I have asked about a number of times. SO if you didnt break that down, you did not answer my question.