Difference between God and Jesus

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Godslyric

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Hi godslyric,

The one man, I assume you refer to silas? Personally he wasn't piled up on. Infact if you go back to the beginning of the thread you will se he started his antics. And don't forget he had his followers, he had those willing to bedfellow with him..an I right? I think in all honesty you need to focus your glasses in scriptur, that will give you discernment..

But as I say it amazes me those who are willing to bedfellow with any belief :) oh and they call it love![/QUOTE

Im neck deep in Scripture every day my brother...
 
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Godslyric

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I suppose then there is no problem in him accusing me of worshiping a false god then either. and not showing me where i have, ?
You know I stuck my neck out in defense of your friend being piled up on Quickfire...Supposing what I meant is taking a lot for granted...What I was referring to, is, me having no problem with two men debating any topic, its between the two men, or woman. I do have a problem with pile ups brother, and any kind of group attacks on anyone man, and I have articulated that in my post. Im not in any position to judge any mans walk with God, and I just wont go there, period! I have my hands full just keeping my own side of the street clean...And peoples theology are their own business, to me, the message of Christ, is Love God with all your heart, and Love your brothers an sisters...Simple commands, difficult to put into action...So in answer to your question, No I dont think accusations of that nature are alright, thats just my point of view,.. The only thing I do see as alright here, was the Phil and Silas entering into a debate and debating, but everything around it in my view was off the wall...These two guys dident need any help, they both held their own just fine..And if at all possible, Id like to back away from all this and regain my peace... God Bless my brother,
 
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cfultz3

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Phil,

I just want you to know that you stood strong and without compromising the truth for the sake of passiveness. Love hurts sometimes, but everlasting death hurts even more. Your concern was for souls, but passive love opposes even hurt feelings.

I just want to say Phil, came what may, you stood firmly. God bless you, Phil.
 
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Quickfire

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You know I stuck my neck out in defense of your friend being piled up on Quickfire...Supposing what I meant is taking a lot for granted...What I was referring to, is, me having no problem with two men debating any topic, its between the two men, or woman. I do have a problem with pile ups brother, and any kind of group attacks on anyone man, and I have articulated that in my post. Im not in any position to judge any mans walk with God, and I just wont go there, period! I have my hands full just keeping my own side of the street clean...And peoples theology are their own business, to me, the message of Christ, is Love God with all your heart, and Love your brothers an sisters...Simple commands, difficult to put into action...So in answer to your question, No I dont think accusations of that nature are alright, thats just my point of view,.. The only thing I do see as alright here, was the Phil and Silas entering into a debate and debating, but everything around it in my view was off the wall...These two guys dident need any help, they both held their own just fine..And if at all possible, Id like to back away from all this and regain my peace... God Bless my brother,
God bless i understand how this could of been a trouble for you and many others,

most importantly though for the people reading this thread who are worried for people salvation in real life, i am honestly believe that they will now be even more worried, Yes i did except him as a friend but i fail to see how that is bed fellowing him, the bible says to welcome all new people in faith, not argue with there opinions, i suppose you should all know as well that he has only just lost his wife from a terminally ill condition, he had also invited me to fellow ship with him one day as he lives not to far from me, also he left me is email and was seeking to make christian friends and stay among them that was why he joined,.

this is an important scripture to me 1 john 2:26 i am writing this to you about those who are trying to decieve you.
but as for you christ has poured out his spirit on you.
As long as his spirit remains in you.
you do not need anyone to teach you. For his spirit teaches you about everything and what he teaches is true, not false.
Obey the spirits teachings, then and stay in union with christ.
yes my children remain in union with him so that when he apears we may be full of courage and need not hide in shame from him on the day he comes.
You do know that christ is righteous; You should know then, that everyone who does what is is right is gods child.

this above scripture is baptism of the holy spirit its the foundation its the building block, anyone can receive this from all over the world, coming to learn JESUS is god comes after this if you read the word or attend church,.I still feel all he was trying to say that its not not a necessity at first to fully know god to be saved, i dont want to offend anyone by saying this but i never knew Jesus was god un till last year and no one had ever told me i was not saved,
If i had not not of come on an internet site i still probably would of not know, my wifes mum did not know until just last week, shes 72 and read the bible all her life, she still s probably confused, but i am not going to tell her your not saved unless you believe it, , why because believers have to believe with there own hearts not mine.
 
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Quickfire

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Phil,

I just want you to know that you stood strong and without compromising the truth for the sake of passiveness. Love hurts sometimes, but everlasting death hurts even more. Your concern was for souls, but passive love opposes even hurt feelings.

I just want to say Phil, came what may, you stood firmly. God bless you, Phil.
I do not believe in making a person worry about hell especially when there kind hearted, acts of kindness do not go un noticed and acts are associated with faith, heaven and earth will pass but your words will not,
 
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Hoffco

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To quickfire, thanks for you good words of truth in #1085, "...acts of kindness do not go un noticed and acts are associated with faith, ,,," This is as Hebrews says, 6:9-10,"But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, THINGS THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION, though we speak in this manner, For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, That you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises." It is a very real danger, to have started "in grace" to end up in the lake of fire. I mean by "in grace" to say, they were never saved; Because God will never lose one of Hie "elect". Please keep in mind that some times the epistles address the lost to evangelize them, and to condemn them. God's word is God's words, not mans words. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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cfultz3

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I do not believe in making a person worry about hell especially when there kind hearted, acts of kindness do not go un noticed and acts are associated with faith, heaven and earth will pass but your words will not,
There are many methods used to save from death. Yours is most admired and desired, but one must know what they are dealing with and from there, use a method. Perhaps, the kindness method became exhausted over many many months and not one dent was made.
 
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Hoffco

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Please pray for me. my last hearing is Sept. 2nd , if my accuser won't settle out of court , he wants 150,000 pesos from me and maybe a jail term of up to 2 yrs. in jail. It is a crime here in the Philippines to call a spade a SPADE. Some foreigners are in jail for words only. Even a USA missionary has smeared me for preaching the whole truth,against the false "faith only" false gospel . Thank God I have a Phil. lawyer to defend me, no charge. Love to all, Hoffco
 

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I pray everything goes well your Hoffco
 
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Godslyric

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Hoffco...Oh man, Im sorry to hear this is going on in your life...I know people from John Pipers Ministry that have had to bare some very difficult storms in the name of Christ...Its real easy to just say "have Faith", to someone being assaulted in that manner, and then just go about my usual day, and observe from a far, so I wont...And jail time in a foreign country is no joke, its no joke anywhere...(I take it you are referring to the Prosperity Movement)? I wish I had something to offer up for assistance, but all's I can do, is pray all goes well for you, and you win your case. Stand firm in Christ and keep the fear at bay...In Christ Godslyric
 
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Quickfire

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  • There are many methods used to save from death. Yours is most admired and desired, but one must know what they are dealing with and from there, use a method. Perhaps, the kindness method became exhausted over many many months and not one dent was made.
    The shied of faith is the most important one, and having faith that your message will be herd if it does not get herd the first time, what you preach has an affect on how someone,] for they will preach how you preach, just like your kid growing up may speak the same language, you do
  • i know this might be hard for people who do not receive as much as they should , some people may say why should i give i get nothing in return, some people may say ah to hell with it you can kiss my axxx,
  • All this is stuff that comes from real life into religion, the minute you give up giving, the enemy has, won,
  • The way i see it ,, it is the enemy that wants you to tell other people there going to lose the sole.
  • The really religious people of this world have had much more superior upbringings than you an i, that does not mean they are better than us, but they do have more of a right to preach than you and me,why
  • because there probably better in this department of the topic of trinity they have not had the struggles in life you or me have had, so subjects like this they can preach the right way, other subjects you and i could probably preach a lot better,
  • I probably should not be telling you this about a private email between me and silas42 but he wishes you all well.
  • The sad thing is something had to give because many people where being effected by this debate. so probably the best solution that the newest member should go.
  • But that does not make right what some of the longer standing members have done including me ive spoke out of term too.
  • Maybe we can all learn from this including me and maybe next time this subject comes up it can be more civilized lol. if possible.
  • god bless
 
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Bryancampbell

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Well I don't know about some people, but I felt that while some of us were gone phil was being attacked by both silas and quickfire and then if you followed up on everything, random people came in and started to attack again what we were teaching. Phil and Cfultz did good :)
 
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Quickfire

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I Could of responded sooner but i have the feeling one of you are waiting to attack within seconds of me posting, and the other is waitng to like the post, as this is twice now phil and his like my most crew have torn up peace offerings
so i thought i would keep you waiting for an answer,

and the answer is GUESS WHAT.
 
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Bryancampbell

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I Could of responded sooner but i have the feeling one of you are waiting to attack within seconds of me posting, and the other is waitng to like the post, as this is twice now phil and his like my most crew have torn up peace offerings
so i thought i would keep you waiting for an answer,

and the answer is GUESS WHAT.
Why would I attack you? All I kept trying to state to Silas was, Son of God equals God, so yes if you don't believe Jesus is the Son of God then you teach a different gospel. We stopped at the trinity till he brought the topic back up. I'm no smarter than any of you guys, if it offends you, then please don't get mad at me....peace brother
 
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Quickfire

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looks like you want to start it up again you mean ,? you just accused me off attacking phil and now you harping on about silias who is not her to defend him self anymore , so i will defend him, his side things where perfectly innocent, i will have to say sorry to you sila42 for posting this if your reading as a guest please except my reasons for posting your latest email to me. here

here is sila42 lates email.



I think there's something you should know. I asked Phil if he believed the Father, or the Spirit fully dwelt in the perfect body of Christ for a reason. Only Bryan responded and said the Spirit fully dwells in the body of Christ
Jimmy, that is what I believe to, the Holy Spirit(who I refer to as the Sprit of God's prescence) fully dwells in the perfect body of Christ. So I agree with them as to the substance/make up of Christ. But theology has gone mad. The difference is in the title of Christ, as I repeatedly stated, not his nature. And the Bible is absolutely clear as to the the title that must be believed to bring salvation
I'm telling you this for two reasons. One, there is virtually no difference between me and them as to who we believe Christ is, in nature and substance there is no difference, but to me, the mystery of Father, Son and Holy Spirit is beyond our comprehension

It is tragic that some cannot see past their rigid doctrinal stances.
 
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Bryancampbell

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Quickfire,

Sigh...do you know we Trinitarians [most of us at least] know that we can't comprehend the Godhead. So we stick to what had been taught for ages by the truth [whether you disagree it's your opinion]. So openly we stand it as truth. The problem here brother was it wasn't so much of a title name, but what the title actually means. If you read everything then you know silas said that you must believe Jesus is the Son of God but not God himself because it isn't taught at the pulpit. That makes no sense whatsoever, the real question we were trying to get out of him was, what interpretation do you believe Son of God means? Look I was one of the first to talk to him and ask him about it, phil and the rest came in (sorry guys) asking the same. The man refused to tell us. Whether he was trying to tempt us into having a continuation discussion or he simply didn't know, or had an interpretation that he knew no one will agree neither the bible to.

Look I messaged him, he is a nice man, but I can't say a person knows the gospel if they don't even know Jesus is the Son of God. If he knew the answer, then he was intentionally trying to draw us into a debate. Didn't you see how I answered his same question twice and he still didn't reply to me? Even asked me a third time which I refused.

I love you guys but we don't need people saying, Jesus Christ doesn't need to be recognized as the Son of God. I'm not fighting...
 
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Bryancampbell

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But I do apologize for us trying to gang up on him. I will admit, I was tempted as I watched Phil because it seemed he was the only one speaking this side, till cfults and I came in. So actually we had you and silas, Phil cfults and me. Sorry I should have stepped out.
 
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Quickfire

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well to be honest i do not know what you mean by your last posts unless i go back and read the entire posts,
I Do how ever understand this is a sensitive subject and i do feel that some of the things he said where in the heat of the moment, just like you and others, so maybe they didn't come out right who knows, i think its time to move on what do you think brian
 
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Bryancampbell

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Sounds good to me, I think it was misinterpretation between all of us somewhere. May we take up this peace offering then? As Jesus is our peace. :)
 
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GreenNnice

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looks like you want to start it up again you mean ,? you just accused me off attacking phil and now you harping on about silias who is not her to defend him self anymore , so i will defend him, his side things where perfectly innocent, i will have to say sorry to you sila42 for posting this if your reading as a guest please except my reasons for posting your latest email to me. here

here is sila42 lates email.



I think there's something you should know. I asked Phil if he believed the Father, or the Spirit fully dwelt in the perfect body of Christ for a reason. Only Bryan responded and said the Spirit fully dwells in the body of Christ
Jimmy, that is what I believe to, the Holy Spirit(who I refer to as the Sprit of God's prescence) fully dwells in the perfect body of Christ. So I agree with them as to the substance/make up of Christ. But theology has gone mad. The difference is in the title of Christ, as I repeatedly stated, not his nature. And the Bible is absolutely clear as to the the title that must be believed to bring salvation
I'm telling you this for two reasons. One, there is virtually no difference between me and them as to who we believe Christ is, in nature and substance there is no difference, but to me, the mystery of Father, Son and Holy Spirit is beyond our comprehension

It is tragic that some cannot see past their rigid doctrinal stances.
The FULL Godhead dwells in the body of Christ, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They are one. VERY important understanding.

I kept answering brothersile (I'm not going to judge him, I don't agree with him, but, he could still be a seeking Christian, or, Christian, even, being of 'milk' learning does not make one not a Christian. He is just not able to have God revelaed to Him in the flesh and Spirit both in His heart , that is what we need to pray for brothersilas, which I don't know why but as 1 Cor. and 1 John 2 state , the Spirit teaches and reveals all we learn of Truth. We all learn in His timing, as Scripture says everything is in His 'due time.'

So, when the Spirit is IN the body of Christ, that is same as Jesus and God , too, they are one, and, yes, Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, that is true, but, Jesus is in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is in Jesus and Jesus is in God and God is in Jesus. This, too, was Scripture of John 17 that I was wanting brothersile to answer and he would not.
I don't either he was ignoring me because he was so busy continuing on with the Son of God' stuff that BC is mentioning above.

The Lord leads . "...you follow Me." :)