Dispensationalism

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STRONG DELUSION​

The Bible plainly tells us that in the last days there will be deception on a wholesale level. When Jesus was asked about the conditions that would characterize the end times, his vivid description focused heavily on deception. He further stated that it would be the individuals that are saying that Jesus is Lord that will be the ones that "shall deceive many." 3.

This point cannot be emphasized enough. Jesus Christ himself stated that "many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ." 4. At the risk of being redundant, although commonly misinterpreted as referring to false messianic figures, Jesus said those that declare that He is the Christ will be the ones that will "deceive many." This plainly tells us that it will be the "Christian" pastors and teachers, declaring that Jesus is the true Christ, that will be the source of the great deception of the end times.
Because of this stern warning, you should be extremely wary of what I have to say to you. At the same time, you should be just as careful concerning what your own leadership is teaching you. This is why the scriptures are so important. The Word of God is the final authority on all these issues. The "scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 5.

On another level, that very same chapter of II Timothy tells that the ones that will deceive us are themselves deceived. The text states that these leaders "shall become worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." 6. This principle would also seem to apply to those last days "teachers" that will encourage people to "be turned unto fables." 7.

Because the Bible tells us it will be the professing "Christian" teachers that will deceive the people, 8. it is more than appropriate that we closely examine their teaching in the light of scripture. Thus, even though the Bereans greatly loved Paul and Silas when they went there to preach, "they searched the scriptures daily" in order to see "whether those things were so." 9. They were considered "noble" because they did just that.

Furthermore, because Jesus Christ vehemently warned us about "false prophets," it is relevant to look at the accuracy of the information the various teachers bring us. The scriptures say "Ye shall know them by their fruits." 10. Thus, my abrasive "attitude" doesn't make or break the issue either way. What is important is if we find a consistent pattern of deceit and distortion of the data in the rapture proponent's books, videos, and speeches (i.e. the fruits of their labor), then we have a powerful indicator that the Spirit of truth is not leading them.
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History Repeats Itself ​

While rapture teachers commonly say a study of the historic belief of the church is irrelevant, the truth is rapture teachers have been widely exposed as having "revised" the historical documentation that surrounds the origin of the doctrine. In other words, our research clearly demonstrates that rapturist oriented writers, pastors, and teachers have almost universally sought to cover up the true history of the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. Thus, it comes as no surprise that modern pre-tribulationists seek to downplay the importance of the history of the doctrine.

The plain truth is, a significant number of dispensational writers, seminarians, and media communicators have been exposed for repeated instances of plagiarism, intentional misquoting of historical authorities, and blatantly lying concerning the way this doctrine came into the modern church.

While this factor alone certainly does not prove the efficacy of the church's historic post-tribulationist position, it is a powerful indicator that something is seriously wrong within the rapture cult. Furthermore, because pre-trib proponents now have an enormous financial, theological, and political commitment to the doctrine, they are in a very difficult position if they wish to change course.

Rapture oriented teachers don't like to address this aspect of their predicament because they don't want to undermine their own argument that the difference between pre-trib and post-trib is only one of timing. That is yet another lie. Once the bulwark of pre-trib is broken through, pre-trib pastors know the entire foundation of dispensational thought is threatened. Novices don't understand that dispensationalism falsely teaches that the Jews are the chosen people, and as such they are still the center of God's redemptive plan. The truth is, "there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek" 11. in Christ Jesus - and prophetic fulfillment is never going to go back to a pre-eminence of one group based on racial background.

CHRISTIAN MEDIA RESEARCH - Newsletter - Strong Delusion​

 

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STRONG DELUSION​

The text is simply saying that the return of Christ will be analogous to the days of Noah. In the story, the majority of the world's people were completely unaware that there was a terrible destruction coming, and so "they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away." 20. Thus, when "two women shall be grinding at the mill (and) the one shall be taken and the other left," 21. the question is, who knew not the disaster was coming? The lost. So who got taken away? The ones that were destroyed. The one that is "left behind" is actually the one that is preserved.​

Dr. Randall Price conceded that this text is not describing any pre-tribulation rapture. He further stated that since the Pre-Trib Research Center leaders have also acknowledged this fact, that I "should not use this scripture" to attack the pre-trib position anymore because they all know it doesn't teach the rapture. Furthermore, Dr. John F Walvoord, the Chancellor of Dallas Theological Seminary (where Price, Lindsey, et al got their degrees) and a key member of the PTRC has categorically stated that Matthew 24's allusion to the "two in the field, the one shall be taken" does not refer to any theoretical pre-tribulation rapture. Yet 2 years later, when the $17 million Left Behind movie based on the rapture was released, we find one of the few Bible verses even quoted in the film to support the pre-tribulation rapture was this very passage!​

Since Dr. Tim LaHaye is the founder of the Pre-Trib Research Center, is the writer of the Left Behind book, and the scholars around him in the PTRC have plainly told him this text is not teaching the "rapture," he has now been proven to have deceitfully manipulated the Bible by intentionally misquoting a primary passage. And he's not the only one.​

Hal Lindsey, Chuck Missler, Grant Jeffrey, J R Church, John Hagee, Chuck Smith, and tens of thousands of other pastors, writers, and teachers around the country continue to teach a plainly unscriptural premise. Do you really believe they don't know any better?​

CHRISTIAN MEDIA RESEARCH - Newsletter - Strong Delusion​

 

[Red33]

Are we that believe and know the truth of Christ coming back for His church before the time of the great tribulation suppose to be rattled by this continual objection and rejection of the truth? This rhetoric has been nothing but an offense to the truth and to those who are God's purchased possession. It is also an offense to the ONE who promised to come for His church and bride and to take them unto Himself that where He is they may be also. It comes from very disturbed individuals that labor much over this matter of end time events concerning the nation of Israel and the church. Their heart has been hardened against God's grace and mercy and against the desire that He has for those who He has called and redeemed with His own blood, by grace through faith, and has not appointed us to any of that time of great tribulation, which includes His dealings with Israel and the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

The church has not been appointed to any of these things that will befall Israel during this time and the church, God's purchased possession, will be coming back with Christ when He returns to the Mount of Olives with the eternal purpose to end that time of tribulation, to judge the nations and establish a 1,000 yr. reign upon the earth and having Satan bound during that time in the bottomless pit. At the end of that 1,000 yr. reign, when the saints will rule and judge over the nations, Satan will be loosed again and lead a rebellion that will end by God's consuming fire coming out of heaven. Then the wicked dead will be judged at the great white throne judgment with death and hell thrown into the lake of fire, which is the second death. Then God will make a new heaven and a new earth and all those that have God's righteousness and whose names are written in the book of life of the Lamb will be able to enter the new city that comes down from heaven where the Lamb is the temple and light of it.

 

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...for Manuel De Lacunza to hide his identity and pretend his book was by a Jewish rabbi takes the cake. It was his book which was embraced and translated by Edward Irving and gave birth to the Dispensationalist theology in the UK. Under his influence was the famous teenage seer Margaret McDonald, which gave us the full blown secret rapture and locked in the futurist assumptions. While there were many other figures involved, we know the major promoter after that was John Nelson Darby. There is a large array of documents across the web which pick up the narrative at this point. Though some of the best ones seem to have disappeared, it's still too easy to find the real story.

However, it was the American criminal C.I. Scofield who came to the attention of the Zionists. There is abundant evidence linking him to Samuel Untermeyer, an agent of the Rothschilds empire. Untermeyer paid Scofield's expenses while he composed his references for insertion in the biblical text, giving us the infamous Scofield Reference Bible. Then the Rothschilds published it through their wholly controlled Oxford Press. This Bible was heavily marketed and adopted to the point only those groups and traditions which consciously rejected it are unstained by its flawed assumptions.

 

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Do you disagree with those that believe that Satan has been bound according to (Rev 20:1-3) since the ascension of Christ? Do you also disagree with those that contend that we are presently living in the 1,000 yr. millennial reign of Christ, making that 1,000 yr. reign as symbolic and not literal? Do you also disagree with those that contend that there is only ONE battle testified in scriptures that happens from the time of the ascension of Christ to the end of the 1,000 yr. reign of Christ just prior to the new heaven and new earth? In your studies of these events that take place, when does the church (God's called out ones), both those that are alive and are fallen asleep (dead), get caught up to meet the Lord in the air and forever to be with the Lord according to (1Th 4:17)...

...is it before, during or at the end of the 1,000 yr. reign of Christ?

Do you disagree with those that believe that Satan has been bound according to (Rev 20:1-3) since the ascension of Christ? Yes, I disagree.

Do you also disagree with those that contend that we are presently living in the 1,000 yr. millennial reign of Christ, making that 1,000 yr. reign as symbolic and not literal? Yes, I disagree.

Do you also disagree with those that contend that there is only ONE battle testified in scriptures that happens from the time of the ascension of Christ to the end of the 1,000 yr. reign of Christ just prior to the new heaven and new earth? Yes, I disagree. The battle of Armageddon takes place after the 30 day "reclamation period" after the 7 year period. Another battle takes place at the end of the 1000 year period when Satan is unbound for a season to deceive the nations.

In your studies of these events that take place?

The 7 year period is the 7 year period, the tribulation and the Wrath of God are separate events which occur within the 7 year period.

The 7 year period begins with the arrival of Antichrist as a man of great influence and peace. Halfway through the 7 year period the Antichrist initiates the Tribulation.

Toward the end of the 7 year period Jesus comes in the clouds, raptures His church, ending the Tribulation.

We meet the Lord in the air, we continue upward to heaven while Christ continues downward to Earth where he will blow the Last Trump (different from the 7 trumpets) to initiate the Wrath of God upon the Earth.

This is how the church suffers through the Tribulation, but not suffer under the Wrath of God.

 

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Do you disagree with those that believe that Satan has been bound according to (Rev 20:1-3) since the ascension of Christ? Yes, I disagree.

Do you also disagree with those that contend that we are presently living in the 1,000 yr. millennial reign of Christ, making that 1,000 yr. reign as symbolic and not literal? Yes, I disagree.

Do you also disagree with those that contend that there is only ONE battle testified in scriptures that happens from the time of the ascension of Christ to the end of the 1,000 yr. reign of Christ just prior to the new heaven and new earth? Yes, I disagree. The battle of Armageddon takes place after the 30 day "reclamation period" after the 7 year period. Another battle takes place at the end of the 1000 year period when Satan is unbound for a season to deceive the nations.

In your studies of these events that take place?

The 7 year period is the 7 year period, the tribulation and the Wrath of God are separate events which occur within the 7 year period.

The 7 year period begins with the arrival of Antichrist as a man of great influence and peace. Halfway through the 7 year period the Antichrist initiates the Tribulation.

Toward the end of the 7 year period Jesus comes in the clouds, raptures His church, ending the Tribulation.

We meet the Lord in the air, we continue upward to heaven while Christ continues downward to Earth where he will blow the Last Trump (different from the 7 trumpets) to initiate the Wrath of God upon the Earth.

This is how the church suffers through the Tribulation, but not suffer under the Wrath of God.

love you endof

 

[Red33]

For Zone or anyone that thinks and believes as she does. I have a few questions that relate to (Rev 7). This chapter is where 'endofallfears' (endo) has referred to the time of the rapture of the church that comes just before the 7th seal in opened in (Rev 8:1 - wrath). Endo has also made reference that as the church is raptured upward, they meet Christ in the air as Christ is descending downward to the earth which is the Second Coming.

Q1 - When the church is raptured (both those that are alive and those who are dead in Christ) and meet the Lord in the air, are the believers judged according to their works at this time or does that take place some other time?

Q2 - If believers are going to be judged later, when and where will that take place and can you explain (Rev 22:12) that deals with Christ coming quickly and having His reward with Him to give to every man according to his work.