Do Animals Enter Condemnation or Paradise?
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The will, the God awareness, the self awareness... "I am", I was created in my Father's image. I am special in that way. I believe that God will allow me to will this persistence of existence to my puddy cat... why not? I think He likes Amelia just like I do. He made me with the ability to like her. God really really does not want anyone to go to hell. He has gone to extremes to prevent something really really bad from happening to them after death. This feeling/knowledge seems hard wired into me, just like it says in Romans 1. We are like icebergs... 90% is underwater and invisible.
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Yes... however God works it out, I am of the persuasion that since the law was neither given nor applied to animals and animals did not sin though they fell with all creation upon the corruption of Adam and Eve, there is no reason to think they simply pass into nothingness upon their demise. For man it is definitely different, for to man was given the law, which man transgressed and continues to do, and to man has fallen the charge of choosing whom they will serve, with life ever after being granted only to those humans who choose God's plan of salvation, by grace through faith, in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ, which was presented as an atonement for the sins of mankind, for He and He alone is the perfect Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world. Those who refuse this offer perish.
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I love this thread, but the one thing I neeeeeed to know:
What is "moony"?
What is "moony"?
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I think i was Quoting a diffrent post not yours, i think theres was some implication that animals dont hear Gods word because the law wasnt given to animals.
But theres plenty examples of animals hearing Gods word. For me Gods made everything Good, In the beginning he said, he saw everthing he made and he saw everything was good, which includes the animals. Some how the animals all started killing each other, including mankind, the answer is demon possession. Because God said green plant food was for all the animals,
Genesis 1:30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food and it was so. Some how this was disobeyed by the animals. anwser is demon possession.
Theres many scriptures of animals hearing Gods word such as the animals all knowing to go to noahs ark in there twos and theres many more like the dove returning from dry land or the raven feeding elijah, or the lions leaving daniel alone or the locusts decending on egypt, i would say they herd Gods word in the beggining as to which food they Should eat also and instinctively knew it was Gods word. but then they where decieved by demons pretending to be God.
The snake in the Garden was demon possessed in my opinion. The fall of satan includes a high percentage of many more cheribum, who fell with him and went bad. The bible is aslo clear that the whole world became subject to Gods will. The whole creation (all of Gods creations) has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. (Romans 8:20–22)
All of creation is subject to Gods eternal plan. The wolf and the lamb shall graze together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, says the LORD. (Isaiah 65:25) but obviously they where but that was not Gods intension in the beggining he gave them green plant food.
Animals for me quite clearly have spiritual awarness and eyes that see spiritualy. this is how demons bad cheribum are able to speak to us.
1 cor where there is a spiritual body there is also a natural body.
All creation has spiritual receptors. the reason why demons can talk to us. and possess.
All of creation has the same breath of life from God
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast,
Job 12:10
In whose hand is the life of every living thing,
Genesis 7:15
So they went into the ark to Noah, by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life.
From my own encounters too of animals being spiritualy aware i know they see bad spirits. when ive seen one theyve seen one right at the same time. where as other people havent who where in the same room didnt.
But theres plenty examples of animals hearing Gods word. For me Gods made everything Good, In the beginning he said, he saw everthing he made and he saw everything was good, which includes the animals. Some how the animals all started killing each other, including mankind, the answer is demon possession. Because God said green plant food was for all the animals,
Genesis 1:30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food and it was so. Some how this was disobeyed by the animals. anwser is demon possession.
Theres many scriptures of animals hearing Gods word such as the animals all knowing to go to noahs ark in there twos and theres many more like the dove returning from dry land or the raven feeding elijah, or the lions leaving daniel alone or the locusts decending on egypt, i would say they herd Gods word in the beggining as to which food they Should eat also and instinctively knew it was Gods word. but then they where decieved by demons pretending to be God.
The snake in the Garden was demon possessed in my opinion. The fall of satan includes a high percentage of many more cheribum, who fell with him and went bad. The bible is aslo clear that the whole world became subject to Gods will. The whole creation (all of Gods creations) has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. (Romans 8:20–22)
All of creation is subject to Gods eternal plan. The wolf and the lamb shall graze together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, says the LORD. (Isaiah 65:25) but obviously they where but that was not Gods intension in the beggining he gave them green plant food.
Animals for me quite clearly have spiritual awarness and eyes that see spiritualy. this is how demons bad cheribum are able to speak to us.
1 cor where there is a spiritual body there is also a natural body.
All creation has spiritual receptors. the reason why demons can talk to us. and possess.
All of creation has the same breath of life from God
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast,
Job 12:10
In whose hand is the life of every living thing,
Genesis 7:15
So they went into the ark to Noah, by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life.
From my own encounters too of animals being spiritualy aware i know they see bad spirits. when ive seen one theyve seen one right at the same time. where as other people havent who where in the same room didnt.
The soul is a spirit and the breath of life from God seperate from the body. for all of creation
KJV 21
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
the brain is conscious of knowing of something aware.
The brain is flesh.
the consciousness and mind is a function of the brain. The soul has no heart no brain no mind just consciousness. The consciousness of your soul grows in heart and mind.
The brain is a mussle and a receptor that processes emotions and infomation storing what it understands. The pineal gland in the middle of the brain processes chemical serotin that regulate and control emotions, so if your fealing depressed or sad and do exercise the pineal gland releases positive chemical serotin which helps unhappy fealing and emotions.
If you engage in reading and writing good talk all day, that to will stop negative thoughts producing negative serotin that produces unhappy emotions and fealings, which is not Good for your soul (spirit).
If you lose hope that to effects your spirit, the spirits grows in consciousness, we also have to not sin. thats why we need a saviour to beat sin also. sining will effect the consiousness of your soul. satan also wants to effect the consciousness of yor soul. by reminding you of sin youve done. ie make you feel unloved. and then you back to sinning, because you lose hope. Where a bad cheribum can get you fall for temptation in one field, he can then do it in another. like falling for having a ciggerette and defiling your body which is a temple for soul.
Once the body becomes the defiled the soul can.
If you sing or pray the fealing of hope will also release in the form of serotin from pineal gland of the brain which is nourishment for your soul and body and mind.
Keeping your body a temple clean is also Good for the consciousness of your soul.
We carnt be double minded here and say our soul has one mind our brain has another.
they grow togeather. We have to undertand thats how it is through scripture because of all the instructions given on how to keep our body and mind and not sin.
My belief is the spirit grows in consciousness just as much as a new born baby does the both grow together as one union. What you take in and what you practice feeds the the consciousness of your soul. If you carry on sinning the soul can develop a not so good consciousness. this is what satan wants. my guess is this is how he steals souls.
training spiritual awarness is wondefull practice but we have to use are mind and heart for that.
KJV 21
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
the brain is conscious of knowing of something aware.
The brain is flesh.
the consciousness and mind is a function of the brain. The soul has no heart no brain no mind just consciousness. The consciousness of your soul grows in heart and mind.
The brain is a mussle and a receptor that processes emotions and infomation storing what it understands. The pineal gland in the middle of the brain processes chemical serotin that regulate and control emotions, so if your fealing depressed or sad and do exercise the pineal gland releases positive chemical serotin which helps unhappy fealing and emotions.
If you engage in reading and writing good talk all day, that to will stop negative thoughts producing negative serotin that produces unhappy emotions and fealings, which is not Good for your soul (spirit).
If you lose hope that to effects your spirit, the spirits grows in consciousness, we also have to not sin. thats why we need a saviour to beat sin also. sining will effect the consiousness of your soul. satan also wants to effect the consciousness of yor soul. by reminding you of sin youve done. ie make you feel unloved. and then you back to sinning, because you lose hope. Where a bad cheribum can get you fall for temptation in one field, he can then do it in another. like falling for having a ciggerette and defiling your body which is a temple for soul.
Once the body becomes the defiled the soul can.
If you sing or pray the fealing of hope will also release in the form of serotin from pineal gland of the brain which is nourishment for your soul and body and mind.
Keeping your body a temple clean is also Good for the consciousness of your soul.
We carnt be double minded here and say our soul has one mind our brain has another.
they grow togeather. We have to undertand thats how it is through scripture because of all the instructions given on how to keep our body and mind and not sin.
My belief is the spirit grows in consciousness just as much as a new born baby does the both grow together as one union. What you take in and what you practice feeds the the consciousness of your soul. If you carry on sinning the soul can develop a not so good consciousness. this is what satan wants. my guess is this is how he steals souls.
training spiritual awarness is wondefull practice but we have to use are mind and heart for that.
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My cat hated fish. My brother in law would come back with fish from his fishing trip , fillet them and give some to my cat and she wouldnt eat it She much prefers kangaroo.
She much prefers kangaroo.
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Hi De-Emerald. Thanks for the reply and information. This is a pretty complex topic (distinguishing between the components of mankind). I have been trying to put more study and thought into it. So thanks for the information. I'm not sure whether I should continue to discuss it on this thread. I don't wont to to totally derail the thread, but I would like to see more input from others pertaining to this topic. I may try to start a thread on it, if time permits.
Once again, thanks for the reply. I enjoy reading, and I am considering all of your input.
Once again, thanks for the reply. I enjoy reading, and I am considering all of your input.
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