Do Catholics and Muslims worship the same God?
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As you said in the earlier thread, Mohammad is the founder of Islam... When did he found it, during Abraham days or after resurrection of Jesus?
Your Logic that their God is the God of Abraham is true provided that they were in the days of Abraham when they were founded...
You see the God of Abraham, Is also the God of Isaac and Jacob, Who sent His Son Jesus the Messiah. (This is the God known in Christianity even before Mohammad founded Islam not just god of Abraham)
Islam choose a different god, Coz their god does not have a Son...
But since Catechism teaches and you insist that they are the same...Maybe you do worship the god of Muslim.
Jesus said..
Joh 14:7 If ye hadknown me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him,and have seen him.
From when...HENCEFORTH.....
...The True God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sent his Son Jesus...
From the very day Islam was founded, their god was different.
comparing their god to the true God is clear blasphemy.
and I say....you be careful...
but then again Catholics and Muslim worship the same god, are they not?
As you said in the earlier thread, Mohammad is the founder of Islam... When did he found it, during Abraham days or after resurrection of Jesus?
Your Logic that their God is the God of Abraham is true provided that they were in the days of Abraham when they were founded...
You see the God of Abraham, Is also the God of Isaac and Jacob, Who sent His Son Jesus the Messiah. (This is the God known in Christianity even before Mohammad founded Islam not just god of Abraham)
Islam choose a different god, Coz their god does not have a Son...
But since Catechism teaches and you insist that they are the same...Maybe you do worship the god of Muslim.
Jesus said..
Joh 14:7 If ye hadknown me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him,and have seen him.
From when...HENCEFORTH.....
...The True God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sent his Son Jesus...
From the very day Islam was founded, their god was different.
comparing their god to the true God is clear blasphemy.
and I say....you be careful...
but then again Catholics and Muslim worship the same god, are they not?
The term 'Muhammad' was not even a proper name at the time that the Koran was written....it was a participle meaning 'Praised One' and referred to the Biblical Jesus Christ in the four times that it is used in the Koran.
There is a true Koranic Muhammad and a fake islamic Muhammad.
Unfortunately, islam has decided to follow the fictitious one...
There is a true Koranic Muhammad and a fake islamic Muhammad.
Unfortunately, islam has decided to follow the fictitious one...
oh was that your answer?....
actually I did not ignore that, I did reply about the Catholics asking God for forgiveness...and that Catholics do ask Mary for deliverance and forgiveness as well.
I hope others will post their list as well..
here is a example:
Form of Worship to God
1. Sing praises to
2. Pray to
3. Ask for Forgiveness
4. Give glory
Honor Mary
1.
2.
3.
4.
Can you fill up how you honor mary, and I think you have more?
actually I did not ignore that, I did reply about the Catholics asking God for forgiveness...and that Catholics do ask Mary for deliverance and forgiveness as well.
I hope others will post their list as well..
here is a example:
Form of Worship to God
1. Sing praises to
2. Pray to
3. Ask for Forgiveness
4. Give glory
Honor Mary
1.
2.
3.
4.
Can you fill up how you honor mary, and I think you have more?
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I don’t know where you get your “facts” but the above statement is incorrect. Mohammed was the son of Abdullah and Amina. He never knew his father. His mother died when he was 6 years old and was put in the care of his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib. His grandfather died two years later and then he was placed in the care of his uncle Abu Talib. He was not raised by Christians as you assume.
Here’s a link to the biography of Mohammed.
Muhammad Biography
My God Bless your studies.
What upsets me is people pushing the idea that we worship the same God as the Muslim do and many are believing it. Do not believe this lie. Do your homework brother!
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Ok I'll post up what information I have tonight. I'm at work. But just one question. What religion were all these people?
BTW, Muslim people even claim that the prophet Mahommed was raised by Christians for much of his childhood. But I suppose you'll say they don't know what they're talking about.
BTW, Muslim people even claim that the prophet Mahommed was raised by Christians for much of his childhood. But I suppose you'll say they don't know what they're talking about.
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Professor A. Guilluame, an expert in the studies of the Islamic religion, says the worship of the moon god was rampant in Arabia at the time of Muhammad. According to him, the moon god had several names -- one of which was "Allah."
Do you believe what history records? Or do you believe what people say? From my studies I have not found anything to substantiate their claims.
Let me answer you in different phase of time.
1. Before God manifested himself in the flesh
The Jews were the chosen people of God.
They have the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Godmade covenants to them.
But the Jews worshipfalse gods however not all of them.
The Jews believed that the Messiah will come and that Elijahwill prepare his way (Isa 40:3)
To them a child shall be born, a son shall be given to them,his name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, mighty God, the everlastingFather (Isa 9:6)
This child, shall sit on David’s throne (Isa 9:7)
You see even beforeChrist was born it was prophesied to them that a Son shall be given unto them,The Messiah shall sit on the throne of David.
Do they have the true God then, Yes.
But do they worship the true God?
Some did and some fallsunder idolatry.
2. When God Manifested Himself in the flesh.
The Jews knows where the Son/Christ will be born
Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chiefpriests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christshould be born. Mat 2:5 And they saidunto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet.
But do they worship the True God?
Let Jesus answer that For you.
The Jews said they have one father, even God.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham isour father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would dothe works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seekto kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: thisdid not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We benot born of fornication; we have oneFather, even God.
Jesus said to them
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came fromGod; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? evenbecause ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil,and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketha lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
But not all of them…
Jesus said to his disciples
Joh_14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known myFather also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
3. After Jesus resurrection and Today…
Dothe Jews worship the True God?
There are messianic Jews who believed inJesus as the Christ, so that can easily be answer by Yes…
To the jews in the church in Smyrna
Rev2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation,and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which saythey are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan
and to the rest
Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness ofthe Gentiles be come in.
1. Before God manifested himself in the flesh
The Jews were the chosen people of God.
They have the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Godmade covenants to them.
But the Jews worshipfalse gods however not all of them.
The Jews believed that the Messiah will come and that Elijahwill prepare his way (Isa 40:3)
To them a child shall be born, a son shall be given to them,his name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, mighty God, the everlastingFather (Isa 9:6)
This child, shall sit on David’s throne (Isa 9:7)
You see even beforeChrist was born it was prophesied to them that a Son shall be given unto them,The Messiah shall sit on the throne of David.
Do they have the true God then, Yes.
But do they worship the true God?
Some did and some fallsunder idolatry.
2. When God Manifested Himself in the flesh.
The Jews knows where the Son/Christ will be born
Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chiefpriests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christshould be born. Mat 2:5 And they saidunto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet.
But do they worship the True God?
Let Jesus answer that For you.
The Jews said they have one father, even God.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham isour father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would dothe works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seekto kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: thisdid not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We benot born of fornication; we have oneFather, even God.
Jesus said to them
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came fromGod; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? evenbecause ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil,and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketha lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
But not all of them…
Jesus said to his disciples
Joh_14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known myFather also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
3. After Jesus resurrection and Today…
Dothe Jews worship the True God?
There are messianic Jews who believed inJesus as the Christ, so that can easily be answer by Yes…
To the jews in the church in Smyrna
Rev2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation,and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which saythey are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan
and to the rest
Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness ofthe Gentiles be come in.
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Just on the name "Allah", I found this, which I knew but couldn't explain properly. Its worded perfectly for you to see. Its a lot more understandable and applicable if you speak Arabic:
[h=3]The use of the word "Allah"[/h]Should Christians Use Allah in Bible Translation?
by Joshua Massey
The question of translating God as Allah is hotly debated in non-Arab lands, where many sincere Christians are convinced Allah is a false god. Ironically, this debate doesn’t exist for Arab Christians, who have continually translated elohim and theos (the primary terms for God in Biblical Hebrew and Greek) as Allah from the earliest known Arabic Bible translations in the eighth century till today. Most scholars agree that Allah is the Arabic cognate of the Biblical Aramaic elah and Hebrew eloah, which is the singular of elohim, a generic word for God used throughout the Old Testament. In fact, it is nearly impossible for linguists to determine which of these three terms appeared first in the Ancient Near East, or if they all derived from a hypothesized proto-Semitic language. Though precise origins are uncertain, ancient usage is not. As in English, the Bible uses elah and elohim for both the Most High God and false gods—English uses an upper or lower case “g” to distinguish between these two. By contrast, Muslims never use Allah to refer to a false god, but only the One True God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
[h=3]The use of the word "Allah"[/h]Should Christians Use Allah in Bible Translation?
by Joshua Massey
The question of translating God as Allah is hotly debated in non-Arab lands, where many sincere Christians are convinced Allah is a false god. Ironically, this debate doesn’t exist for Arab Christians, who have continually translated elohim and theos (the primary terms for God in Biblical Hebrew and Greek) as Allah from the earliest known Arabic Bible translations in the eighth century till today. Most scholars agree that Allah is the Arabic cognate of the Biblical Aramaic elah and Hebrew eloah, which is the singular of elohim, a generic word for God used throughout the Old Testament. In fact, it is nearly impossible for linguists to determine which of these three terms appeared first in the Ancient Near East, or if they all derived from a hypothesized proto-Semitic language. Though precise origins are uncertain, ancient usage is not. As in English, the Bible uses elah and elohim for both the Most High God and false gods—English uses an upper or lower case “g” to distinguish between these two. By contrast, Muslims never use Allah to refer to a false god, but only the One True God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Isayah 65:15, "And the names of your gods will remain as a trap to My chosen; for Yahweh our Father will slay you, but he will give His servants a Name; Yahweh, that will remain forever."
The oldest version of the "OT" called the "J" writings uses YHWH not Elohim or Adonai, the next version uses Elohim , the "E" writings. this was forged in by the Masorites when they added vowel points to the Hebrew alphabet.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal; (Lord)."
It is believed by some scholars, and others disagree, that in origins of hebrew yl was used not EL, yl denoted strength and power. yl shaddai, not a name but = strength almighty.
El was the head of the Cannanite pantheon, it only got incorperated when some hebrews worshipped the gods of Cannan.
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Isray.
The oldest version of the "OT" called the "J" writings uses YHWH not Elohim or Adonai, the next version uses Elohim , the "E" writings. this was forged in by the Masorites when they added vowel points to the Hebrew alphabet.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal; (Lord)."
It is believed by some scholars, and others disagree, that in origins of hebrew yl was used not EL, yl denoted strength and power. yl shaddai, not a name but = strength almighty.
El was the head of the Cannanite pantheon, it only got incorperated when some hebrews worshipped the gods of Cannan.
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Isray.
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This is from Wikipedia. It talks about Muhummad's visit from Angel Gabriel:
Muhammad's first revelation was the event in which Muhammad was visited by the angel Gabriel who revealed to him a verse from theQuran. The event took place in a cave called Hira, located on the mountain called Jabal an-Nour, near Mecca. Taking place in Ramadan of 610, the celebrated day of the event is called Laylat al-Qadr in Islam.
Now, the prophet Muhummad claims he was visited by an angel of God. Namely Gabriel. He must've had some sort of significant Christian or Jewish influence on his life to know about Gabriel. If you don't think so, then you must think that he really was visited by Gabriel. But nevertheless, the fact that he was claiming to be visited by Gabriel means that he was obviously referring to the same God as our's, who the ancient Arab Christians called Allah loooong before the pagans and muslims did.
Muhammad's first revelation was the event in which Muhammad was visited by the angel Gabriel who revealed to him a verse from theQuran. The event took place in a cave called Hira, located on the mountain called Jabal an-Nour, near Mecca. Taking place in Ramadan of 610, the celebrated day of the event is called Laylat al-Qadr in Islam.
Now, the prophet Muhummad claims he was visited by an angel of God. Namely Gabriel. He must've had some sort of significant Christian or Jewish influence on his life to know about Gabriel. If you don't think so, then you must think that he really was visited by Gabriel. But nevertheless, the fact that he was claiming to be visited by Gabriel means that he was obviously referring to the same God as our's, who the ancient Arab Christians called Allah loooong before the pagans and muslims did.
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Muslim prayer beads and catholic prayer beads
No actually muslims (possibly not all, i know for sure because i have met muslims that unsuccessfully tried to convert me and i asked them about it, and they spoke arabic they knew what they were talking about ) pray and they have 360 names for their god and the recite each name and them change beads. (this practice was around before islam)