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Because this person posted three different threads on this subject on two different Forums.......to assure that my friends that I am speaking with see my comments, I am having to post my comments on multiple threads........sorry.......but I believe it necessary.............anyway...........
Look at Scripture............
Romans 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 .) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 .) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 .) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 .) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 .) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 .) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 .) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 .) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 .) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 .) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So, a couple of questions.............1) Do people fully understand the concept of "for whom he did foreknow?" 2) If predestination is Biblical certainty, why, pray tell, is Jesus Christ at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.................
Why are those who from the beginning were "predestined" to salvation/eternal life IN NEED of an intercessor?
(just FYI.............
)
Look at Scripture............
Romans 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 .) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 .) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 .) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 .) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 .) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 .) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 .) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 .) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 .) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 .) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So, a couple of questions.............1) Do people fully understand the concept of "for whom he did foreknow?" 2) If predestination is Biblical certainty, why, pray tell, is Jesus Christ at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.................
Why are those who from the beginning were "predestined" to salvation/eternal life IN NEED of an intercessor?
(just FYI.............
)
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This is a topic brought about by confusion of the meanings of words in the BIBLE
there is no eternal security for you while you keep sinning
and you have not been predestined to be saved or lost
that is not tin the Bible
read the Bible
everyone chooses
Josh 24:15 choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
WE CHOOSE GOD
ohterwise the whole Bible becones nonsense
read genesis to revelation
ignore philospher liars who twist two bible texts out of contet to throw away HUNDREDS OF BIBLE VERSES that tell us to struggle fight and choose the way of righteousness,
and even when they make a mistake and reject God
he keeps sending prophets one after another
to get us to repent and dchoose the right
whole topic is silly
go home
read your Bible
and when you hear anyone say
once saved always save or you have been predestined
just ignore them and go read the truth
no where in my bible does it say
IT DOESNT MATTER HOW YOU LIVE GOOD OR BAD ITS WHAT YOU CLAIM to be!
that is totally crazy
cant anyone see how crazy that is?
It does not matter if you live like the devil do right or wrong
its just claiming to be good that counts?
if our courts went that crazy wasy no one would ever be put in jail and your family would have been all raped long ago
it DOES MATTER HOW YOU LIVE it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR CLAIM
get real here.
WHAT YOU DO OR SAY YOU WILL BE SAVED OR LOST ANYWAY
that is just anti-Biblical
anti
word of God
and revelation says christ is the word of God
there is no eternal security for you while you keep sinning
and you have not been predestined to be saved or lost
that is not tin the Bible
read the Bible
everyone chooses
Josh 24:15 choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
WE CHOOSE GOD
ohterwise the whole Bible becones nonsense
read genesis to revelation
ignore philospher liars who twist two bible texts out of contet to throw away HUNDREDS OF BIBLE VERSES that tell us to struggle fight and choose the way of righteousness,
and even when they make a mistake and reject God
he keeps sending prophets one after another
to get us to repent and dchoose the right
whole topic is silly
go home
read your Bible
and when you hear anyone say
once saved always save or you have been predestined
just ignore them and go read the truth
no where in my bible does it say
IT DOESNT MATTER HOW YOU LIVE GOOD OR BAD ITS WHAT YOU CLAIM to be!
that is totally crazy
cant anyone see how crazy that is?
It does not matter if you live like the devil do right or wrong
its just claiming to be good that counts?
if our courts went that crazy wasy no one would ever be put in jail and your family would have been all raped long ago
it DOES MATTER HOW YOU LIVE it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR CLAIM
get real here.
WHAT YOU DO OR SAY YOU WILL BE SAVED OR LOST ANYWAY
that is just anti-Biblical
anti
word of God
and revelation says christ is the word of God
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Some of the most evil criminal people I ever met claimed to be saved
they are satans best tools to make people lost,
no one repents and changes when they hear this false doctrine, and they will be lost
whoever teaches this stuff will be held accountable for all the sould lost plus their own sins plus sins they are ministers of unrighteouness all their punishment is twice multiplied
a fearful thing to teach the false gospel.
repnt
follow th Bible
change your life or you WILL BE LOST
that is the facts in the word of god
how many HUNDREDS OF VERSES DO YOU WANT?
"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." -Revelation 2:5.
"Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." -Revelation 2:16.
"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not." -Revelation 2:21.
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds." -Revelation 2:22.
"Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." -Revelation 3:3.
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." -Revelation 3:19.
God told you to repent and change your life
over and over and over and over and over
and if you dont
you will only have your self to blame.
go home and read your Bible with prayer
they are satans best tools to make people lost,
no one repents and changes when they hear this false doctrine, and they will be lost
whoever teaches this stuff will be held accountable for all the sould lost plus their own sins plus sins they are ministers of unrighteouness all their punishment is twice multiplied
a fearful thing to teach the false gospel.
repnt
follow th Bible
change your life or you WILL BE LOST
that is the facts in the word of god
how many HUNDREDS OF VERSES DO YOU WANT?
"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." -Revelation 2:5.
"Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." -Revelation 2:16.
"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not." -Revelation 2:21.
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds." -Revelation 2:22.
"Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." -Revelation 3:3.
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." -Revelation 3:19.
God told you to repent and change your life
over and over and over and over and over
and if you dont
you will only have your self to blame.
go home and read your Bible with prayer
Assumes that people are criminals because of doctrine.
Assumes that the doctrine is false because an adherent is a criminal.
Both are a logical fallacy.
The form of the Bulverism fallacy can be expressed as follows:
You claim that A is true. Because of B, you personally desire that A should be true.Therefore, A is false.
or
You claim that A is false. Because of B, you personally desire that A should be false.Therefore, A is true.
Assumes that the doctrine is false because an adherent is a criminal.
Both are a logical fallacy.
The form of the Bulverism fallacy can be expressed as follows:
You claim that A is true. Because of B, you personally desire that A should be true.Therefore, A is false.
or
You claim that A is false. Because of B, you personally desire that A should be false.Therefore, A is true.
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I was was saved by the grace and mercy of God. He called me BEFORE I ever stepped into a church.
i was deceived by the heresy of Arminianism when I attended a certain denomination. It paralyzed me, and I did not grow as a Christian, until I left that denomination, and started sitting under better teaching. But even more important, I started reading my Bible and God showed me the truth as I studied, came to understand the Word of God, and grew through the power of the Holy Spirit.
It is quite simple, really, if you don't get the time line in the wrong order!
i was deceived by the heresy of Arminianism when I attended a certain denomination. It paralyzed me, and I did not grow as a Christian, until I left that denomination, and started sitting under better teaching. But even more important, I started reading my Bible and God showed me the truth as I studied, came to understand the Word of God, and grew through the power of the Holy Spirit.
It is quite simple, really, if you don't get the time line in the wrong order!
I call it Calvinism for it is based upon the teachings men (John Calvin being a main one) and not based upon the gospel of Christ.
God pre-selected/foreknew/predestined a GROUP that would be called "Christian" but God never pre-selected/foreknew/predestined what individual would or would not b e in that group, each individual must decide that for him/herself.
So the bible teaches predestination (group) but not the Calvinistic idea of predestination (individual)
God pre-selected/foreknew/predestined a GROUP that would be called "Christian" but God never pre-selected/foreknew/predestined what individual would or would not b e in that group, each individual must decide that for him/herself.
So the bible teaches predestination (group) but not the Calvinistic idea of predestination (individual)
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Because this person posted three different threads on this subject on two different Forums.......to assure that my friends that I am speaking with see my comments, I am having to post my comments on multiple threads........sorry.......but I believe it necessary.............anyway...........
Look at Scripture............
Romans 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 .) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 .) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 .) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 .) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 .) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 .) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 .) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 .) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 .) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 .) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So, a couple of questions.............1) Do people fully understand the concept of "for whom he did foreknow?" 2) If predestination is Biblical certainty, why, pray tell, is Jesus Christ at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.................
Why are those who from the beginning were "predestined" to salvation/eternal life IN NEED of an intercessor?
(just FYI............. )
Look at Scripture............
Romans 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 .) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 .) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 .) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 .) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 .) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 .) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 .) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 .) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 .) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 .) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So, a couple of questions.............1) Do people fully understand the concept of "for whom he did foreknow?" 2) If predestination is Biblical certainty, why, pray tell, is Jesus Christ at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.................
Why are those who from the beginning were "predestined" to salvation/eternal life IN NEED of an intercessor?
(just FYI.............
)
Just want to point out to Calvinists that the "all things" in the verse are all things within God's nature. Sure, God is Sovereign but even His Sovereignty is limited by His own nature. There are some things Calvinists cannot give an explanation, as why/what basis did God use before the world began to unconditionally choose "Joe" and not "Bob", so they simply says "It's God's Sovereignty". Again, just showing God's Sovereignty has limits.