Do we follow the Teaching of Christ

[Timothy416]

CONTEXT is a wonderful thing........

Galatians
6


1 .) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 .) Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3 .) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4 .) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5 .) For every man shall bear his own burden.
6 .) Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 .) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 .) For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 .) And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 .) As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Not in this case. Incorrect.

Paul affirms in rom13:10 love is the fulfillment of whatever commandment there might be!

Totally in line with gal6:2

Now perhaps you can produce my post where I actually used the words
We are free to ignore Christs commands

Seems to me you want to put words in my mouth not stated, while you yourself ignore at least some of Christs commands.

I simply quoted paul

 

[p_rehbein]

As you are now in denial of your assertion............I have no further use for you........your assertion has a wee tint of Calvinism to it............and, you are just playing games.........such is the way of some here on CC.

Make an assertion, when asked to support that assertion, delay, deflect, and deny...........

Go in peace..........


(Comment #5, this Thread)

Some believe to follow the teaching of Christ they must strive to follow each and every literal command of Christ. This would condemn every christian I have ever met, for I have met no one who has even tried to obey each and every literal command of Christ.
Happily we are not all condemned, for Paul tells us the true way:

Carry each others burdens(love them) and so fulfill the law of Christ gal6:2

You can either believe Christs commands are examples of love God and love your neighbour and follow Paul's words.

Or, you can believe something you never will practice

 

[Timothy416]

As you are now in denial of your assertion............I have no further use for you........your assertion has a wee tint of Calvinism to it............and, you are just playing games.........such is the way of some here on CC.

Make an assertion, when asked to support that assertion, delay, deflect, and deny...........

Go in peace..........


(Comment #5, this Thread)

Some believe to follow the teaching of Christ they must strive to follow each and every literal command of Christ. This would condemn every christian I have ever met, for I have met no one who has even tried to obey each and every literal command of Christ.
Happily we are not all condemned, for Paul tells us the true way:

Carry each others burdens(love them) and so fulfill the law of Christ gal6:2

You can either believe Christs commands are examples of love God and love your neighbour and follow Paul's words.

Or, you can believe something you never will practice

As I note, you couldn't produce the words we are free to ignore Christs commands could you. But I did give Paul's view as to how the law of Christ is fulfilled

I mean, your pontificating would be great if you didn't ignore Christs commands yourself but you do!

Oh well

 

[lastofall]

You already know the answer, why then would you make light of that which is holy?

 

[Timothy416]

You already know the answer, why then would you make light of that which is holy?

Personally i prefer to be honest.
Many will come on the internet and stress you must obey all of Christs commands while they themselves do not even try to obey them all.
That was the hypocrisy of the Pharisees

They did not practice what they preached

And I actually quoted Paul as to how the law of Christ is to be fulfilled. That can hardly be described as ignoring how God wants you to live

 

[Ariel82]

Do we follow the teaching of Jesus Christ (the Teacher.?) Or should we simply follow His Example?

This couple of questions here is oxymoronic.

You cannot know anything to follow as an Example if you do not know what and how according to the Master. By the way,
Master is another of the titles of our Lord which is the equivalent of Teacher......

Neither of the above. We should follow His Holy Spirit.

We aren't called to be Messiah for the world, to die on the cross for the remission of sin, to keep the Law perfectly so that we are the spotless Lamb.

We are called to live our lives as God created us to be..each unique. With a unique mission and purpose for our lives that only God can tell us.

Some are told to eat meat, others not. Some are teachers, others prophets. We each have unique spiritual gifts and meet people in our lives no one else will ever talk to about the gospel.

 

[resurrection33]

Do we follow the teaching of Jesus Christ (the Teacher.?) Or should we simply follow His Example?

This couple of questions here is oxymoronic.

You cannot know anything to follow as an Example if you do not know what and how according to the Master. By the way,
Master is another of the titles of our Lord which is the equivalent of Teacher......

Well, we certainly have to strive to follow his teachings. As for his example, I guess we have to follow that, too. Was there anything he did that we shouldn't do?

 

[Stephen63]

I found this on i. What does it mean to "rightly divide the Word", and how do we do it? - Pay attention especially to the colored portion

It is crucial for every believer, when reading the Bible, to rightly divide the Word, and to clearly separate what belongs to the old covenant of law and what belongs to the new covenant of grace. When people quote Old Testament passages without appropriating the cross of Jesus in their interpretations, they make it seem as though the cross of Jesus Christ made no difference at all, leading to much misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the Bible.
What Jesus did on the cross created the new covenant, and made the first covenant—the covenant of the law—obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). In this new covenant, Jesus has already fulfilled for us the righteous requirements of the law (Romans 8:3–4), so that we are no longer under law but under grace (Romans 6:14).
Hence, we need to learn to rightly divide the covenants—by studying and reading all scripture in the light of the cross. This was the apostle Paul's advice to his young apprentice, Timothy: "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15)
Whether interpreting the Old Testament, or the words which Jesus spoke in the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John), let Jesus and His finished work at the cross be the key to unlocking all the precious gems hidden in God’s Word. This means that we have to read everything in the context of what He came to do and what He accomplished at the cross for us. For example, some things that Jesus said in the four gospels were spoken before the cross—before He had died for our sins—and some were said after the cross—when He had already won our complete forgiveness and rightfully given us His righteousness. It is the latter that applies to us (believers under the new covenant) today.

Perhaps this might be what some were talking about whether or not we follow the teachings of Christ?

 

[Stephen63]

I came in on this a little late..... what other thread had this on it & was hijacked?

 

[Grace777x70]

If we are now talking about rightly dividing the word of truth

Here is another view of "rightly dividing the word". I sometimes like to use this website as it discusses many things in scripture and people have asked questions at the bottom of thee article which has helped me in the past when I too have had questions about things.

How to Read Your Bible Without Getting Confused

Have you ever been confused by a Bible teaching that seemed contrary to something else in the Bible? Have you ever read a scripture that seemed to contradict another scripture?

Paul said that the entire Bible is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16). But he also said that we need to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Tim 2:15). We divide the word whenever we emphasize one scripture over another. So how do we divide the word rightly?

In essence there are two questions we should ask when reading any scripture in the Bible: (i) What does this passage mean in light of the finished work of the cross? And (ii) who is the writer writing to or about?

The filter of the cross

To hear some people preach today you might conclude that the cross was of no significance. In truth, Jesus’ death on the cross is the single most important event in human history.

Before the cross the old law covenant reigned. But after the cross a new covenant based on grace made the old covenant obsolete (Heb 8:13). Under the old covenant you were blessed if you were good, but under the new covenant we are blessed because He is good. Consider these contrasts from scripture:

Before the cross we were blessed when we obeyed and cursed when we disobeyed (Deut 11:26-28). But after the cross we are blessed because we are forgiven (Rms 4:8) and we are redeemed from the curse of the law (Gal 3:13).

Before the cross we forgave in order to earn God’s forgiveness (Mt 6:14). But at the cross we were unconditionally forgiven and we now forgive because Christ has forgiven us (Eph 4:32; Col 3:13).

Before the cross loving your neighbor meant not coveting his wife or property (Deut 5:21). But after the cross we love and accept others because Christ loves and accepts us (1 Jn 4:19; Rms 15:7).

Before the cross God was distant and unapproachable (Ex 19:12). But because of the cross we have been brought near to God to receive mercy and find grace (Eph 2:13; Heb 4:16).

Before the cross God held us responsible for our sins and not even sacrifices could clear a guilty conscience (Lev 5:17; Heb 9:9). But because of the cross Jesus’ blood cleanses us from a guilty conscience (Heb 10:22) and He remembers our sins no more (Heb 8:12).

Before the cross God said “Thou shalt not” (Ex 20). But after the cross God says “I will” (Heb 8:8-12). Before the cross it’s “do, do, do”. After the cross it’s “done, done done”.

Before the cross righteousness was demanded of sinful man (Deut 6:25). But at the cross righteousness was freely given (Rms 5:17).

Before the cross Adam’s sin meant condemnation for all men (Rms 5:18). But there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus (Rms 8:1).

When we read the Bible we should ask, is this scripture describing the old law covenant which condemns sinners or the new grace covenant which makes sinners righteous? If you are a Christian, you need not fear the condemnation of the law. Instead, rejoice that you are the righteousness of God in Christ (2 Cor 5:21).

Consider the audience

When reading the Bible it’s also important to note who the words were written for, otherwise you might end up taking someone else’s medicine. There are only two kinds of people – those who put their faith in Jesus and those who don’t.

Consequently the Holy Spirit brings two different convictions (Jn 16:8-10):

1. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would convict the world of guilt for the sin of unbelief (Jn 16:9). Many things in the New Testament are written for unbelievers. Paul, Peter, John, Jude and James all had things to say to those who did not see their need for a Savior (e.g., 1 Jn 1:5-10). The apostles also wrote to warn the church about sinners masquerading as prophets and preachers (e.g., 2 Pet 2). Strong words of judgment and condemnation given to sinners do not apply to those whom Christ has qualified.

1. Jesus also said the Holy Spirit would convict Christians of righteousness (Jn 16:10). We do not need to be reminded of our shortcomings, but we often need to be reminded of our right standing before God (2 Cor 5:21). Much of the New Testament was written to assure Christians that we belong to God and that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ (Rms 8:38-39).

1. Not even our sin can separate us because God’s grace is greater than our sin (Rms 5:15). When we fail the Holy Spirit does not condemn us – there is no condemnation to those in Christ. Rather He reminds us that we are righteous, that we are kept by Jesus (Ju 24), that we are the Father’s sons (Gal 4:6), and that our hope is firm and secure (Heb 6:19). When we make mistakes Jesus doesn’t condemn us, He defends us (1 Jn 2:1) and then He teaches us how to say no to ungodliness (Tit 2:12).

Rightly dividing the word means reading the Bible in the context of the finished work of the cross. It means we interpret scripture in light of what Jesus has done. The entire Bible reveals Jesus (Lk 24:27).

Read the Bible to find Jesus.

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/03...-to-read-your-bible-without-getting-confused/

 

[John146]

I found this on i. What does it mean to "rightly divide the Word", and how do we do it? - Pay attention especially to the colored portion

It is crucial for every believer, when reading the Bible, to rightly divide the Word, and to clearly separate what belongs to the old covenant of law and what belongs to the new covenant of grace. When people quote Old Testament passages without appropriating the cross of Jesus in their interpretations, they make it seem as though the cross of Jesus Christ made no difference at all, leading to much misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the Bible.
What Jesus did on the cross created the new covenant, and made the first covenant—the covenant of the law—obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). In this new covenant, Jesus has already fulfilled for us the righteous requirements of the law (Romans 8:3–4), so that we are no longer under law but under grace (Romans 6:14).
Hence, we need to learn to rightly divide the covenants—by studying and reading all scripture in the light of the cross. This was the apostle Paul's advice to his young apprentice, Timothy: "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15)
Whether interpreting the Old Testament, or the words which Jesus spoke in the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John), let Jesus and His finished work at the cross be the key to unlocking all the precious gems hidden in God’s Word. This means that we have to read everything in the context of what He came to do and what He accomplished at the cross for us. For example, some things that Jesus said in the four gospels were spoken before the cross—before He had died for our sins—and some were said after the cross—when He had already won our complete forgiveness and rightfully given us His righteousness. It is the latter that applies to us (believers under the new covenant) today.

Perhaps this might be what some were talking about whether or not we follow the teachings of Christ?

Tell me, If I followed what the Lord Jesus gave to the Apostle Paul as outlined in his thirteen epistles, what would I be missing in my doctrine? And what I mean by doctrine is what my salvation means and what I am to do now that I am saved. Is there additional doctrine that I would need to be right with God?

 

[Adstar]

Do we follow the teaching of Jesus Christ (the Teacher.?) Or should we simply follow His Example?

This couple of questions here is oxymoronic.

You cannot know anything to follow as an Example if you do not know what and how according to the Master. By the way,
Master is another of the titles of our Lord which is the equivalent of Teacher......

We should BELIEVE the teachings of Jesus and affirm that they are the Truth and they are Good..

Actually following the teachings of Jesus is something we should TRY to do.. But as we all know.. We are human, and as such we often fail to live up to the perfection which is in our LORD Jesus Christ..

 

[p_rehbein]

What I have learned here is that some people's understanding of Scripture is on the same level as Disney World's portrayal of real life............

 

[JaumeJ]

I sure hope I am not in that group. OK when you are "too old" I will let you know. For now you are a child. Of course I a believe I am too. And don't complain about all the posting and lengthy readin! Have you followed your own postin? Never fatigue of the good works. God bless you always.

What I have learned here is that some people's understanding of Scripture is on the same level as Disney World's portrayal of real life............

 

[MadebyHim]

I did........and He gave back to me for doing so.............just saying........but, I understand what you are saying.

No Joke! It is great. We are never told to do something that won't benefit us. Amen.

 

[MadebyHim]

Thanks for sharing your experience, i have done the same, i just wasn't as courageous to share. It can get intimidating in these forums the way people twist things we share into something bad.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Thanks for sharing your experience, i have done the same, i just wasn't as courageous to share. It can get intimidating in these forums the way people twist things we share into something bad.

Well all I can say is the people who go around looking for debates instead of discussions probably don't live a very peaceful life and if they do then debating and arguing must be a source of joy for them. Don't worry about what any one person has to say here, we are a fellowship and a democrazy lol. There are those who will lovingly rebuke you and then there are those who will rebuke you just to make their presence known. We all see the fruits of people here, trees can't hide their fruit, that is if they even bear fruit each season...

 

[JustWhoIAm]

Well all I can say is the people who go around looking for debates instead of discussions probably don't live a very peaceful life and if they do then debating and arguing must be a source of joy for them.

Well, yknow, it's fun and it passes time for some of us. It's good mental exercise.

I'm guessing this outlines the difference between the PvE and the PvP forum participant (if I may be so bold as to say so), because it's a lot like online gaming. The difference is that it has potential to be productive in some way.

Just my 2c.

 

[beta]

Thanks for sharing your experience, i have done the same, i just wasn't as courageous to share. It can get intimidating in these forums the way people twist things we share into something bad.

You can say that again, friend. I am no longer keen to share scriptures that have been revealed to me because of 'bad reception' by 'supposed Christians.

 

[HEIsRiSen]

Well, yknow, it's fun and it passes time for some of us. It's good mental exercise.

I'm guessing this outlines the difference between the PvE and the PvP forum participant (if I may be so bold as to say so), because it's a lot like online gaming. The difference is that it has potential to be productive in some way.

Just my 2c.

I always like to prove why I'm right, except for when I am wrong. The only time I was ever wrong was that one time I thought I was wrong and was actually right.