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When you say by law, you seem to blur the line between mans and Gods law.
Maybe if Elizebeth had aborted John the Baptist after he had lepted in her womb. Would the Lord not consider that murder?
The Bible clearly teaches that abortion is wrong. This teaching comes across in many ways and for many reasons. Some people point out that the word "abortion" is not in the Bible, and that is true. Nevertheless, the teaching about abortion is there. This is the case with many teachings. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the teaching about the Trinity is there. In any case, a person who wants to deny the teaching about abortion would deny it even if the word were there.
Maybe if Elizebeth had aborted John the Baptist after he had lepted in her womb. Would the Lord not consider that murder?
The Bible clearly teaches that abortion is wrong. This teaching comes across in many ways and for many reasons. Some people point out that the word "abortion" is not in the Bible, and that is true. Nevertheless, the teaching about abortion is there. This is the case with many teachings. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the teaching about the Trinity is there. In any case, a person who wants to deny the teaching about abortion would deny it even if the word were there.
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It's not becoming a person because it already is a person. Zygote, embryo, foetus etc. are simply stages in human development, the same as infant, toddler, adult etc.
It's a tragedy as well as an affront to personhood to artifically draw a substantive distiction between two persons simply because of their different stages of development. Unfortunately, the law also makes this error.
It's a tragedy as well as an affront to personhood to artifically draw a substantive distiction between two persons simply because of their different stages of development. Unfortunately, the law also makes this error.
None of my statements are christian or non-christian they are, as you say, inanimate.
It is seen as murder according to these Noahide laws, but it is called destruction of man's seed if done before 40 days. NB: this isn't really about abortion but about death of child or mother due to assault.
The Noahide laws state:
2. A Noahide who kills a human being, even a baby in the womb of its mother, receives the death penalty. This means that one who strikes a pregnant woman, thereby killing the fetus, incurs the death penalty.[1] (The act must have been done at least forty days after conception.[2] Before forty days, the act is in the category of destruction of man's seed, and the transgressor is liable for punishment from heaven, not by a court on earth.)
http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/murder.php
So before 40 days it's called destruction of man's seed according to these "jews".
But still doesn't hit the mark re: abortion. I welcome anyone to post any bible verse that clearly says "abortion is murder", or "a mother who agrees to terminate her baby commits murder". If you can't find any I rest my case.
It is seen as murder according to these Noahide laws, but it is called destruction of man's seed if done before 40 days. NB: this isn't really about abortion but about death of child or mother due to assault.
The Noahide laws state:
2. A Noahide who kills a human being, even a baby in the womb of its mother, receives the death penalty. This means that one who strikes a pregnant woman, thereby killing the fetus, incurs the death penalty.[1] (The act must have been done at least forty days after conception.[2] Before forty days, the act is in the category of destruction of man's seed, and the transgressor is liable for punishment from heaven, not by a court on earth.)
http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/murder.php
So before 40 days it's called destruction of man's seed according to these "jews".
But still doesn't hit the mark re: abortion. I welcome anyone to post any bible verse that clearly says "abortion is murder", or "a mother who agrees to terminate her baby commits murder". If you can't find any I rest my case.
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lol you got me on that one, yet the words you speak shows the status of the man speaking them, and that is unchristian.
Matthew 15
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Matthew 15
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Basically, yes. It's important to define abortion properly because if we call it murder, then we must also implicitly support life in prison for mothers who have abortions, and people who carry them out. People always go on about "God's laws" and all this "abortion is murder" , but often they dont' properly think through what they are saying. We live under man's laws, abortion is a man's law issue unless we are living in a Christian theocracy, people always want God's laws to be enacted in our government. And that means we'll have a system like those Noahide laws, that prescribes the death penalty for the loss of life of a child due to assault.
When was the last time we called a mother who had an abortion, a "murderer"?
When was the last time we called a mother who had an abortion, a "murderer"?
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