Do you agree with abortion? please explain.

[watchmen]

If you buy a car from a dealership and you get a door, and an engine, would you say it's a car? No.

If you buy a chicken egg, do you say it's a "baby chicken"? No.

Buy a house and it only has a couple of bricks and one window, do you call it a house? No you call it a pile of bricks and a window.

Why? Because until they are completed, those things aren't considered to be what they are meant to be.

This is absurd. A baby is a human being, not a car, or a house, or a chicken. Your explanations are totally ridiculous.

 

[MahogonySnail]

There was no word in the Hebrew or Greek for this procedure. Because the Bible does not use the word doesn't make it ok. There is not one single verse in scripture that condemns child molestation. Do you think that it is ok to molest children too Mahogony?

Now we are reduced to arguing that "God" says something when we have no bible verses to back it up?

We could go one better, and look to the apocrypha, which prescribes torture forever for abortionists:



The Apocalypse of Peter (ca. 135)

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"I saw a gorge in which the discharge and excrement of the tortured ran down and became like a lake. There sat women, and the discharge came up to their throats; and opposite them sat many children, who were born prematurely, weeping. And from them went forth rays of fire and smote the women on the eyes. These were those who produced children outside of marriage and who procured abortions."

 

[Kakashi]

It doesn't really say abortion is murder, Kakashi. We can parse words all we like to try to prove a point, but what most don't realise is that the bible doesn't actually say "abortion is murder". If we must follow God's Word to show us right from wrong, we must also not claim things are in the bible that aren't, that is just as bad. Adding to God's Word is just as bad as taking away.

i don't think I'm claiming anything that is outside God's word, I'm merely making a connection.

Let's try again.

Brephos is the same word used for the baby inside and outside of the womb in those two verses, therefore i think it's ok to assume that they have equal worth to them. Therefore if we can safely assume that killing babies outside of the womb is murder and is wrong(which it is) then it should hold that the same can be said about them inside the womb since they have the exact same word attached to them. I'm not adding or subtracting anything here. it's the exact same word.

Doesn't that logic follow?

Also, just because it does not exactly say "abortion is murder" does not prove anything because the bible does not say that a lot of things are explicitly wrong, but logically you can make connections.

 

[MahogonySnail]

This is absurd. A baby is a human being, not a car, or a house, or a chicken. Your explanations are totally ridiculous.

So if a woman gave birth to only a foot, would you say that's a baby? Wouldn't you say, "where's the rest of it?".

 

[watchmen]

Now we are reduced to arguing that "God" says something when we have no bible verses to back it up?

Abrotion is murder. There are a lot of things that could be debated on a christian forum, but this is not one of them. Talk about going against the mainstream

 

[MahogonySnail]

That's good logic actually Kakashi. The thing is, I presume that when the women brought the children to Jesus, they were infants , and not fetuses or embryos. It's a little bit hard to make that connection with those verses , for me at least.

 

[watchmen]

So if a woman gave birth to only a foot, would you say that's a baby? Wouldn't you say, "where's the rest of it?".

So now you compare murdering perfectly bodied children to giving birth to a foot.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Abrotion is murder. There are a lot of things that could be debated on a christian forum, but this is not one of them. Talk about going against the mainstream

Hey, if we want to go one better, let's talk about how contraception is murder because it prevents creation of life which would otherwise be created. I mean, it's a common argument, but mainstream in this case means something that isn't well grounded in God's Word, and is more subjective opinion than not.

 

[MahogonySnail]

So now you compare murdering perfectly bodied children to giving birth to a foot.

Well, answer the question please, if a lady gave birth to a human foot, would you call that a newborn baby?

 

[iraasuup]

Hey, if we want to go one better, let's talk about how contraception is murder because it prevents creation of life which would otherwise be created. I mean, it's a common argument, but mainstream in this case means something that isn't well grounded in God's Word, and is more subjective opinion than not.

We could do that, but it would be counterproductive and unhealthy, as is this current debate.

 

[Maddog]

One implies the other. I hope simple logic and reason can solve this "is abortion murder" problem.

If you buy a car from a dealership and you get a door, and an engine, would you say it's a car? No.

If you buy a chicken egg, do you say it's a "baby chicken"? No.

Buy a house and it only has a couple of bricks and one window, do you call it a house? No you call it a pile of bricks and a window.

Why? Because until they are completed, those things aren't considered to be what they are meant to be.

I would say that foetuses are not being 'constructed' as a car or a house would be, rather they are developing, more as a photograph is. For insatnce, if you were to take a once in a lifetime photo, and while you were developing it I came in and exposed it to light and ripped it up, I'm sure you would protest that I'd ruined your photograph. It wouldn't hold water for me to say 'no I didn't, because it isn't really a photograph until it's completely developed.'

Basically, humans are not 'built' in the womb, they are developed in the womb, and this development continues even after they are born, even until they are adults.

Oh, and the chicken eggs we eat are unfertilsed and would never hatch into a chick.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I fail to see the difference between something being built and something being developed. It all implies a progressive construction of something.