Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?

[Kerry]

To the OP. God loves the homosexual, but hates homosexuality. For a visual, If you see your 12 year old smoking a cigarette, you don't hate your son, you hate what he or she is doing. Why people keep asking this question after reading about Sodom and Gomorrah is beyond me. God is the same yesterday, today and forever amen.

 

[Kreation]

To the OP. God loves the homosexual, but hates homosexuality. For a visual, If you see your 12 year old smoking a cigarette, you don't hate your son, you hate what he or she is doing. Why people keep asking this question after reading about Sodom and Gomorrah is beyond me. God is the same yesterday, today and forever amen.

This question was asked so I could see the attitude of the church on homosexuality, I suggest you read back on the posts and let me know what you think.

I also wanted both sides to be heard so we could therefore understand one another and minister more effectively. Thanks for reading

 

[Ugly]

This question was asked so I could see the attitude of the church on homosexuality, I suggest you read back on the posts and let me know what you think.

I also wanted both sides to be heard so we could therefore understand one another and minister more effectively. Thanks for reading

Considering we constantly have threads on the topic up, you could have found that out by reading one of them.

 

[didymos]

This question was asked so I could see the attitude of the church on homosexuality (...)

You're asking individual CC members, not 'the church. '

 

[Kerry]

This question was asked so I could see the attitude of the church on homosexuality, I suggest you read back on the posts and let me know what you think.

I also wanted both sides to be heard so we could therefore understand one another and minister more effectively. Thanks for reading

The question is which church? Episcopalians have gay ministers. While others are totally against it. We need what the word of God says and not man. The aforementioned have gay ministers because they believe that it will give them more members and therefore more money. So to me it is not a church at all, just a club. So the deeper question is what is a church and which church preaches the true word of God. To know that nowadays, one must study the bible and lean on the Holy Spirit for guidance. Myself and my church and my God believe that homosexuality is a sin and grievous one at that, to the point that a nation or state that condones it, is at risk of being destroyed by God Himself or by allowing a enemy to do so, as He did to Judea. In fact He said ( I'll get the verse) If Abraham and moses were in the land, He would spare their life and destroy the rest.

 

[7seven7]

The question could be answered EXACTLY the same on a thread that reads "Do you believe that God accepts anger without just cause, or gluttony, or adultery, or bitterness, or fornication, or hetrosexual sex outside of marriage, or ignorance, or hatred, or abortion...... or not?"

Why do we keep concentrating on this? Should we start threads about all the other sins too? hmmm

 

[7seven7]

Or maybe we could start concentrating on questions like "Are people with homosexual tendencies eligible for salvation?", and "If homosexuals have good will and are searching for the Lord, should we concentrate on their tendencies, or lead them to the Lord like the Lord would have done, and not judge them?", or even, "WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SHOW A HOMOSEXUAL TO THE LORD? BY TELLING THEM THEY'RE SCREWED? OR SHOWING THEM CHRIST WITH OUR LOVE?"
WOW! there's heaps of other things we can talk about that might actually get results in favour of the Lord.

 

[Kreation]

Well it was nice talking to you guys. I am now leaving this thread. All the best

 

[hootowl]

Ha Ha

Your right on that one. And this is what people are forgetting the church is supposed to be open to everybody
But they are not are they

Bibles should be given away free some shops not many do that now. But how many people are charging for preaching the word of God.

I do not think the disciples were paid a wage they all walked as poor people.

I am not Catholic but I must admit to a respect for Mother Teresa she did it as it was. She walked in rags among the poor the same as Jesus did. Maybe there could be a lesson learned here.

You say man and women are here to multiply and that is what is wrong with the Gay population.

I did not see Jesus getting married nor his disciples either. But I believe Jesus was made in the image of man. I take it he had immunity to the sins of the flesh.

But there again so did his mother, Jesus was an immaculate conception so I am led to believe.

In that case why do we have the need of a man. We do not need them do we? it can all be done by proxy.

Maybe I am wrong the Bible was written by the CIA silly me I should have known.

Get it right churches were built by everybody for anybody not certain members of the community. Our taxes and donations payed for these places.

Correct me if I am wrong but Gays pay taxes too. Or do they also have an immunity to the myth called a tax man.

What these people have paid for they have the right to use. So if someone wishes to walk out of church because a Gay is worshiping there, it is their choice their call I am sure God will still be there.

Actually what they are saying to a Gay is, if God wishes to be your friend he cannot be mine. Sounds like the kids in school "If your going to play with him I am not playing" absolutely PATHETIC.

Makes me wonder if some people are really on the right road or taken a detour hoping by the grace they will be saved.

Hoot Owl

 

[hootowl]

True didymos

But please remember the members are the church.
Actually all it is, is groups the same as other groups enforcing their beliefs. Not going to stop.
Hitler did it actually using a cross as his emblem.

The Mormons, Catholics, Buddha, Allah. All groups just some better than others.

Hoot Owl

 

[7seven7]

“If the Christian is a restorationist, a legalist, if he wants everything clear and safe, then he will find nothing. Tradition and memory of the past must help us to have the courage to open up new areas to God. Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security,’ those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists­—they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies. I have a dogmatic certainty: God is in every person’s life. God is in everyone’s life. Even if the life of a person has been a disaster, even if it is destroyed by vices, drugs or anything else—God is in this person’s life. You can, you must try to seek God in every human life. Although the life of a person is a land full of thorns and weeds, there is always a space in which the good seed can grow. You have to trust God.” - Pope Francis.

 

[hootowl]

Hi Jahsoul

I think you could have answered the question being asked in this forum. All a Christian had to do was to answer the question "What about the Prodigal Son" The son did wrong lots wrong but when he came home the parents were so glad to see him their child had come home. That is the main thing at the end of the day MY CHILD HAS FINALLY COME HOME.

These were ordinary flesh and blood people, but they had the love and compassion and joy to overcome everything else THERE CHILD WAS HOME.

There is nobody standing in this world that will stop a parent welcoming their child home no matter what they have done.

So does that answer the question. What would God the father do. He is above flesh and blood a loving caring parent.
He would be glad HIS CHILD HAD COME HOME.

He would not be impressed with those who wronged his child with their words and shutting of doors. He knows that others know his child is doing wrong but also knows his child will do it anyway. TILL HE IS READY TO COME HOME He would not be impressed if his child is told they will lose his love and not ever be wanted back home again.

It is God and only Gods duty to make that decision. Also the child has to come home of his on violation he cannot be forced because the lesson has not been learned yet. Like a caged animal they will still wish to be free.

Not until the soul is at peace and realisation of the wrongs done (if any) will it work. Bottom line is MY CHILD HAS COME HOME. The joy that is felt when that happens only a parent who has been through it can tell you. All is forgiven once everything has died down that is when you talk about paying retribution to others (if needed).

That is then done by the person showing in ways and deeds that they realise themselves what has been done and make atonement. That is were the FREE WILL comes in. It has to be done out of free will.

That is when God will push all the condemners and preachers and those fawning around him to one side hold out his arms in joy and say.........MY CHILD HAS COME HOME..... You can trust me on that one.

As for the log in the eye. People should take the step and delve deep inside themselves and look at what they have done. Remember he who is without sin CAST THE FIRST STONE.

I am not a member of any kind of church group. I made my own guidelines a long time a go and I walk in Karma. I am not saying it is for everybody. The going is tough. But we also are governed by the deadly sins.

Somebody did post that Karma allows you to get away with things and feel you have done no wrong. This is so far from true we know when we do wrong. If we know what we are doing we think about the possible outcome and then have to make up our minds is the price we will have to pay going to be too high. And make our decision on that. That is what God is asking you guys to do.

That is why I say about Gays and others of a minority group "What people do is there Karma" How we react to it is " Our Karma".

But I am not here to talk about my beliefs it is not the place and I believe it or not do have respect for you guys although I must admit it is hard going. Just wished you to know where I am from.

Hoot Owl

 

[hootowl]

7seven7

Well put. The child must never be stopped from coming home.

Hoot Owl

 

[jahsoul]

Hi Hoot,

I think you need to look at the Prodigal Son a little deeper. When he made up his mind that he didn't want to be in the pig pen anymore, he got up to repent to his father. The Prodigal didn't come back in the state that he was in when he left and found himself at the bottom. It is one thing to come home but it is the mindset that he had when he came home. (which is the point that has totally been neglected).

So you asked the question what would God the father do? Let's use an example; say you have a rebellious child who can't stand to be under your roof because of the boundaries that you set. You love this child but they just feel that they can't live under your rules and they leave. You miss them dearly but you allow them to face the choices that they have made. One day after being left with nothing, you child decides to come home and you welcome them with open arms. But they come back home and act the exact same way that did before they left and in some areas, act worst and this cycles just continues. That's is the fundamental thing about this walk. God calls us out of our sinful flesh and tells us to walk in the spirit. If we don't want to come out of our old ways, then why accept the call. And one thing that is always overlooked is the God's just nature. He loves us but we are also punished for our wrong doings, just like our natural parents did.

Again, to reiterate, it is no point to coming home just to act in the same manner that made you leave. You love them and wish for them to come home why continue the cycle. It is of no benefit and that's not the way God operates. Love is more than sunshine and rainbows. Love is also letting that child know that if they want to come home, it is either this way or that way but it can't be both.

Like I told you yesterday (I think), God showed his love by sending Christ to die for me while I was yet a sinner so I can see salvation. God doesn't have to do anything else and it will still be more than I deserved.

Again, I don't care what any homosexual (or anyone for that matter) do? The Bible say that God judges them on the outside but those who call themselves brothers or sisters answer to church authority. #biblical

And to finish my thought, I have nothing but love and respect for you hoot. :-D

 

[hootowl]

Hi

And bisexuality in some plants.

 

[hootowl]

Hi

Not sure but I think he told all to leave and not look back or they would be turned into a pillar of salt.
Not just prophets.

Also Sodom was not destroyed because of Homosexuality it was destroyed because of sin.

But you see I do not sit with a bible in my hand or a notepad etc I am from memory. So please feel free to correct me.

Also are you saying that a couple who have engaged in sex before marriage and then stand in a church and marry with the bride in full white are ok?

They committed the sin of fornication then lie standing in sin once more by claiming virginity but it is all ok.

Sorry did not realise you could build a house on shifting sand.

I can come at the fact that the situation has been rectified. But should they have confessed first because if only you know your lying then the facts are hidden, and in any case your lying to yourself. Which is another sin because if you can lie to yourself you will lie to others. But above all your trying to lie to God.

I am starting to think there is one rule for Christians and another for none Christians

The sin of Homosexuality is called Sodomy in the past it was called Buggery. Which Christians do for child control in a lot of cases.


Hoot Owl

 

[Graybeard]

HOOTOWL........why don't you use the "reply with quote" button which is under each post, this way when you reply to a particular post your reply will include that post in it............your replies as they are, are very hard to follow as one cannot see the post/question that you are referring to. For instance you replied to you say my question about "is it prudent", I don't remember the question and think you may have me mixed up with someone else.

 

[lisathom]

First off let me say that I have gay friends and I have struggled myself by questioning my sexual orientation. I believe that yes God does view homosexuality as a sin but that he will judge each person by all the works in their life and all their sins not just one big one like being gay. There are some truly awesome gay people out there who do so much for others and generally love life and love others the only thing against them is that they're gay and that is why they are being judged. I don't think people are born gay because babies don't start talking and proclaiming they are gay right from the start however some parents notice early on that their child doesn't act their gender. Boys who are more feminine and girls who are more tomboys. So I think some kids develop differently and you really can not choose who you love. You can ignore your feelings and resist your thoughts but when you love someone whether you are gay or straight you fall in love with the person they are and you are attracted to them you can't help it if they are the same gender as you or not. Everyone sins and everyone will continue to sin and unfortunately I think people make too much of these gay issues. Judging others based on gender, sexual orientation, race, etc is a sin and yet people do it everyday. Embrace, learn to respect and generally foster loving kind feelings for others not like you and let God judge people's sins.

 

[didymos]

True didymos

But please remember the members are the church.
Actually all it is, is groups the same as other groups enforcing their beliefs. Not going to stop.
Hitler did it actually using a cross as his emblem. (...)

Are you implying CC is actually a fascist organization?

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

Unfortunately christianwarrior I was, I believed in God for a while but refused to believe I was a sinner therefore I was disobedient to God's word and as you know, one has to realise their sins to repent and be saved. I also viewed christians as hypocrites and still sinners, I was unaware that you are saved by grace and not works alone.

There are many people who believe in God and are not born again. Disobedience comes when we KNOW the truth and continue to WILLFULLY sin rejecting the truth of His Word.

Yet it's true, I was in search of the truth, because God drew me to him

On this statement I would like to say “Praise God.”
Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

If someone did interfere and pointed the finger and said that unrepentant sinners must leave my church, I would have left and it would have left a lasting, damaging effect with my relationship with God, possibly my only chance to know him.

SavedByHim is absolutely correct, although I must point out he was not calling you a hypocrite.

Instead he was pointing you to a verse that Christ said once, those words are true to this day. Are we shutting the doors to people who could be saved? These people have obviously come to church for a reason ( maybe God inspired) and are seeking yet we 'do not let those enter who are trying to' -matthew 23:13

If we do that then yes that is hypocritical ( not my words but Christ's)

The point I'm trying to make is, one has to realise Christ's existence in order to be saved, through realising his existence we accept the holy spirit. Then through the power of the holy spirit we can learn about his love,wisdom and the truth!

If we close the doors we are stopping Christ's connection with that person and not trusting God's ability to heal. That person came to church to explore the truth, why stop it?
If you shut the doors you would lead them to a congregation that would support homosexuality, thereby affecting their chance to know the truth.

I feel you are confident saying that I was on the road to salvation because you are aware that I am now a professed christian.
Now you know my story........ so did I deserve to be thrown out onto the streets? even though it took me 5 years to repent?

Remember, the church is not an institution but a body of people, by telling me you would not allow the person into the congregation would mean that you are not allowing that person to hear the gospel.
This forum is a church, is a person who is gay not allowed to go onto this forum? If you met a homosexual person on the street, would you ( the church) turn your back on him? and ignore?

The church in christ's day exploded left right and centre. That body of people i.e Christ and apostles went everywhere to spread the gospel and did not reject a person's attendance regardless if they were professed christians or not.
When Christ did the sermon on the mount he welcomed all.

Christ also said that if a person rejects you and the gospel you must dust your shoes and walk away. Yet this person is coming to you and the shoes are still being dusted. Are we doing our true purpose as christians and spreading the gospel, or are we becoming like pharisees as Christ so bluntly rebuked?

We must be obedient to His Word Kreation. I think you and SaveByHim are missing or misunderstanding what God’s Word is telling us. Notice in the following verse the word brother.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.
What does that mean to you? Wouldn’t it be those who we believe have accepted Christ? Wouldn’t that be a brother or sister?

It is those who have been received into the church professing Christianity but yet are notoriously guilty of the things referred to in the above scripture. And as we read further it describes these people as wicked.
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
And by the above verse we are to put that person from among us!

Does that mean that they can never be allowed back in? NO. For if the person confesses and turns away from their wickedness then they should be allowed back in.

I do not promote any idea of closing the doors to any lost soul who knows not God whatever their moral character may be for this is our chance to share the Gospel of Christ to them and bear witness to the truth of God’s Word. But those who profess they are Christian and continue to do such things after they have received the knowledge of truth (Such as homosexuality is a sin) are to be put from among us as God’s Word says.

This question was asked so I could see the attitude of the church on homosexuality,

Since you said in an earlier post that you believe it is a sin then why would you start such a thread if it wasn’t to cause division. For you KNOW that it is a sin and it doesn’t matter what the church says. It only matters what God’s Word says.