Do you believe that God accepts homosexuality or not?

[homwardbound]

It is my own personal opinion that this is not an important issue as many make it out to be. The bible says YHWH is love (1 John 4:8) So he would not hate a gay person because He had created them, and we are all children of YHWH. So He may not agree but he will not condemn people for trying to find love.

For it is God's love beyond human comprehension that seared my conscience and changed me to Love all as God loves me.
So the truth here is one can only love others as much as they think God loves them?
For me when I saw and still see how much God loves and loved me through the cross of Son, that is what changed me and I then saw and to love as God loves me
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

[h=3]1 John 4:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

 

[homwardbound]

BradC

Hi

Thank you for your answer. But some do not really care. Like me for instance, if it was ordained or not. I have no particular interest in going to heaven.

I will die as the animals and go wherever their soul goes.

Now people are going to say animals don't have souls right?

Ha Ha take care

Hootowl

Hootowl, love you and respect your free choice in whom or what you believe to be true or not true, for we all have free choice in this.
I just want to tell you this; God just love you, just the way you are. Not all people do or will, being caught up in Dogma and throw scripture out and not out of God's sovereign Love that God does have for all.
God accepts you just the way you are, unconditionally. You get to decide between God and you, God will not take away God's love that God has given to us all through Son Christ. It is people that have made a muck of God's unfathomable Love that God just simply offers this to you
Love God's type, not man's Homwardbound

 

[hootowl]

Thanks Homward

I respect yours too.

But like to pull chains in here as no doubt you have noticed.

It is a simple case of fight everybody I hate peace

Hoot Owl

 

[7seven7]

Thanks Homward

I respect yours too.

But like to pull chains in here as no doubt you have noticed.

It is a simple case of fight everybody I hate peace

Hoot Owl

Hahahahaha I'm cracking up rofl

 

[Judo]

The Bible states that;"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them"(NKJ, Leviticus 20:13) this is the OT La. however we find a parallel or a reiteration of this in the NT. Romans; "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion"(NIV, Romans 1:25-27) At the end of this verse ST. Paul stated that those who commit such acts are deserving of death. I don't think hes implying that we should kill homosexuals but that but the punishment under Gods law is Death and that it is a very serious sin. One that God calls an abomination, if individuals continue i this course of sin they will lose theirs covering or seal that god has placed with them from receiving Christ and the end is a reprobate and death.

 

[4enlightment]

This is an ongoing debate that has risen into the christian community since the recent law changes. Which has resulted in a lot of divisions in the church.

My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why? Are some people born homosexual thus making it completely natural and not a choice or is it an inherited sin in which we are born with like the rest of sins and essentially one has to be 'born again'?

I am really interested in people's viewpoints

I apologize if this question has been asked many times before as I am new to this forum.

Thanks for replying in advance

Homosexuality is a sin of course, but so is the rest of the things that we do on earth. There's a Dark Force that has corrupted everyone in this world and we shouldn't be so judgmental on other people behavior. We most likely should be pleading for our own lives from being condemn, rather than condemning others people sins that they doesn't have any control of as we doesn't have any control of our own sins. That is why Jesus told them that those whom are without sin, cast the first stone; He had said that to get others to focus on their own sins and what they want to be done about them. No one doesn't want to be condemn for their own weakness, and so they shouldn't be going around condemning others because of their weakness also. If Adam and Eve stand before judgment, they isn't going to be focusing or condemning others; most likely they are going to be focusing on their own fruits of their labors and hoping for forgiveness (Mercy).

Matthew 18:27The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

Matthew 18:32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

Luke 7:43Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.” “You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.

John 20:23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Matthew 19:21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Only God can give up everything to help those in need, because He's perfect, but this is what we should strive for, willing to give up our life for someone).

Matthew 5:48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

[Judo]

No I don't hes against it in the OT Leviticus 18:21-22. and hes against it in the NT. Romans1:24-28.

 

[iamsoandso]

how did this go from "accepts homosexuality" to,,,,"forgives homosexuality"?,,,,,,that is "accepting" would imply that no forgiveness need apply,,,,,,now i agree it is also as the many other sins mankind commits,that is the lord was nailed to the cross to free those whom committed these many from the clutches of death.

it remains no less a sin than any of these god refers to as sin. one would seek to justify themselves in their own works(their own eyes) by finding a preacher in a christian church who might find liberty to endorse the act of sin. that is that they in their own mind find that if at any time a "christian preacher" would say to them while on this earth that the lord accepts them in the very act of sin,well then in that day they will say to the lord "Moses said for any cause you might put away your life and you said it was never so,but that since Moses accepted it was so before the lord",,,,,

as yesterday today also the satins are also cleaver in their craft,,,,,as it is stated in scripture "whomsoever you serve he is your master",here is the difference between the two,,,,,,,,my master states that it is not accepted,so i say no. again the other master(the devil)he requires these to be sinners whether homosexuals or murderers or lairs makes no difference there is the two commandments of the two masters,one saying no,the other saying yes do it.,,,whomsoever you serve he is your master,,,,,,

whatsoever Hybrida creature there is only pulleth the chariot of the damned,,,whether an bean or a man or an angel,he is an mule,woe unto you the preacher's whom are co-mixed of these two masters,you are the product of only the one the devil. the battle garment of satin is an Tu-too and slippers he rides in his chariot whipping the mule creatures and pulls his plow collecting up the dead. his field is a pit and he plants mankind in his garden going down to the deep in haphazard rows,those who recently fell to fertilize himself who is in the bottom that he "might grow",,,

yet the true master he plants his field in open sight in the fullness of light,and a ladder and Jacob a green tree holding it upright and angels ascending up and down it.,,,,,,,i am a man and only a man,i am both crying and quivering,i am on the flat ground we refer to as "the life we are living at present",,,be careful when you get on the bottom step of the ladder,,there is another master in he hole and you may fall in,,,whomsoever you serve he is your master,,,,,

i must be the most miserable of all of the preachers,always fumbling around with words. i one day will feel the full brunt of the forces of satin when any of these turns at me and points at me and says,,,"iamsoandso,,who are you to speak,,a child who found two pieces of wood and put them together to resemble a cross and began to think and speak?,,,i admit i am the chief of trembling men,,,whomsoever you serve he is your master,,,,

clear these two masters up,,,if your master says it is a commandment to lay with a man do it i cannot judge another mans slave,you serve your masters commandments well,my master says no,,,so i must not to serve my master. if your master says commit murder "obey your masters",,,,,Romans 13??????,,,,if your master says to lie,lie obey your master the devil,,,,"Romans 13????",,,,,who am i to judge another mans slave?,,,,,,,,whom so ever you serve,,,,,,,,,,,,"HE IS YOUR MASTER",,,,,,,,

 

[4enlightment]

how did this go from "accepts homosexuality" to,,,,"forgives homosexuality"?,,,,,,that is "accepting" would imply that no forgiveness need apply,,,,,,now i agree it is also as the many other sins mankind commits,that is the lord was nailed to the cross to free those whom committed these many from the clutches of death.

it remains no less a sin than any of these god refers to as sin. one would seek to justify themselves in their own works(their own eyes) by finding a preacher in a christian church who might find liberty to endorse the act of sin. that is that they in their own mind find that if at any time a "christian preacher" would say to them while on this earth that the lord accepts them in the very act of sin,well then in that day they will say to the lord "Moses said for any cause you might put away your life and you said it was never so,but that since Moses accepted it was so before the lord",,,,,

as yesterday today also the satins are also cleaver in their craft,,,,,as it is stated in scripture "whomsoever you serve he is your master",here is the difference between the two,,,,,,,,my master states that it is not accepted,so i say no. again the other master(the devil)he requires these to be sinners whether homosexuals or murderers or lairs makes no difference there is the two commandments of the two masters,one saying no,the other saying yes do it.,,,whomsoever you serve he is your master,,,,,,

whatsoever Hybrida creature there is only pulleth the chariot of the damned,,,whether an bean or a man or an angel,he is an mule,woe unto you the preacher's whom are co-mixed of these two masters,you are the product of only the one the devil. the battle garment of satin is an Tu-too and slippers he rides in his chariot whipping the mule creatures and pulls his plow collecting up the dead. his field is a pit and he plants mankind in his garden going down to the deep in haphazard rows,those who recently fell to fertilize himself who is in the bottom that he "might grow",,,

yet the true master he plants his field in open sight in the fullness of light,and a ladder and Jacob a green tree holding it upright and angels ascending up and down it.,,,,,,,i am a man and only a man,i am both crying and quivering,i am on the flat ground we refer to as "the life we are living at present",,,be careful when you get on the bottom step of the ladder,,there is another master in he hole and you may fall in,,,whomsoever you serve he is your master,,,,,

i must be the most miserable of all of the preachers,always fumbling around with words. i one day will feel the full brunt of the forces of satin when any of these turns at me and points at me and says,,,"iamsoandso,,who are you to speak,,a child who found two pieces of wood and put them together to resemble a cross and began to think and speak?,,,i admit i am the chief of trembling men,,,whomsoever you serve he is your master,,,,

clear these two masters up,,,if your master says it is a commandment to lay with a man do it i cannot judge another mans slave,you serve your masters commandments well,my master says no,,,so i must not to serve my master. if your master says commit murder "obey your masters",,,,,Romans 13??????,,,,if your master says to lie,lie obey your master the devil,,,,"Romans 13????",,,,,who am i to judge another mans slave?,,,,,,,,whom so ever you serve,,,,,,,,,,,,"HE IS YOUR MASTER",,,,,,,,

Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Matthew 6:24“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Matthew 22:21“Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

1 Timothy 6:10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, in a carnal man's viewpoint which is influenced by the god of this world regarding this matter is that this act is natural can be of GOD in creation and also in man's love according to the pattern of this world, this nature is tolerable and acceptable as long it doesn't get out of hand. And the homosexuals have won and have found a place in the society continuing with their acts and practices in their daily lives.
In a spiritual man's viewpoint taught by the Holy Spirit according to HIS inspired Holy Bible of the kingdom of GOD regarding this matter is that this act is unnatural, an unclean oppression of unclean spirits of this world, remain in a human body interrupting its normal functions and cause disorder. This matter can only be overcome by Spiritual warfare and 'not to wrestle against flesh and blood'. 'Do not defeat evil with evil but defeat evil with good', as it is written for all believers under the New Covenant. Apart from these faithful actions of believers in accordance to the Holy Bible are merely acts of Lawlessness against the New Covenant of the Living GOD.
GOD hates the very continuing acts and practices and acceptance of homosexuality in man and women even today. And as it is written; "GOD do not love to punish sinners but love to see them turn back to HIM from their sins."
This is the same HE seeks peace with, a homosexual person turn back from their sins, acts and practices of homosexuality continuing in their ignorant lives, polluting HIS created Temple which was made for HIS purposes, They were all influenced and populated by the elemental spirits of this world, who stands together in condemnation and judgement of the Living GOD.
Christians stop being a busybody and mind you own business, your own church family affairs that is fading from the truth to Lawlessness.
If people, an outsider turn to you for help and direction, please do not hesitate to show Salvation through JESUS, who is the way, the truth and the life, the only way to the FATHER, is by following and believing in HIM as the Word of the New Covenant.
As it is also written; "Do not be equally yoked with unbelievers."

 

[Huckleberry]

I don't think you can learn to sin so to speak. We are born sinners as we have inherited it from Adam and Eve.

You nailed it in the first three words!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Homosexuality is sin. To ask if God accepts homosexuality is to ask if God accepts sin. The answer is no God does not accept sin. God does; however, accept repentant sinners.

The Bible teaches that God is opposed to sin and evil, that he is holy and righteous and eventually will remove sin forever and separate the sheep from the goats. The sheep get to go heaven. The goats go to hell.

 

[homwardbound]

Thanks Homward

I respect yours too.

But like to pull chains in here as no doubt you have noticed.

It is a simple case of fight everybody I hate peace

Hoot Owl

well you know not sure how, but I do know, however God's greatness in being the only one good willcome through in respevct and thankfulness for his Love to all as many do not see this.
Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Oh wait a minute and we all have sinned, and so therefore:
Romans 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Well my flesh obedience is not fulfilled and never can ever, by self. So I love all as God loves me.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Thanks for being you. Rather have up front ness than hiding and slithering like a snake does.
Been stabbed by those that act good. Thanks for you speaking in truth what you think and believe

 

[homwardbound]

The Bible states that;"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them"(NKJ, Leviticus 20:13) this is the OT La. however we find a parallel or a reiteration of this in the NT. Romans; "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion"(NIV, Romans 1:25-27) At the end of this verse ST. Paul stated that those who commit such acts are deserving of death. I don't think hes implying that we should kill homosexuals but that but the punishment under Gods law is Death and that it is a very serious sin. One that God calls an abomination, if individuals continue i this course of sin they will lose theirs covering or seal that god has placed with them from receiving Christ and the end is a reprobate and death.

Is not sin, sin no matter how big or small? is your obedience perfect? When is the last time you sinned?
2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Love one to God and let god do God's work in and through each person as each person comes to God to know God
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

It is either one believes in God or they don't, simple and that is between God and whatever other person. god does not force anyone to belief.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

To hear you speak of it, going one mile over the speed limit is exactly the same as genocide. Yes all sins are equal in the sense that sin separates people from God and all that goes along with that; however, all sin is not equal in terms of consequence, judgment, etc... and it would be right of you to stop teaching that they are. When Jesus spoke of his second coming and judgment, he warned that among those deserving punishment some would "be beaten with many blows" and others "with few blows" (Luke 12:47-48).

Is not sin, sin no matter how big or small? is your obedience perfect? When is the last time you sinned?
2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

 

[Kerry]

God will never accept homosexuality. You might as well ask him to accept murder.

 

[Pipp]

"Get a life leave others alone at least gays are upfront with their sins how about others."

You yourself just called it sin... So you are saying that God overlooks their sin ?
The Bible calls it an abomination.. end of story.

 

[Kerry]

Can you find in the bible where God destroyed a city, state or nation for having a bad temper, or for drunkenness, or for worshipping an Idol. NO, but you can find where He destroyed them for homosexuality. What does that tell you?

 

[Starcrash]

This is an ongoing debate that has risen into the christian community since the recent law changes. Which has resulted in a lot of divisions in the church.

My question is do you think that God views homosexuality as a sin or not and why?

I don't agree. I think the "law changes" have to do with whether homosexuals should marry or not, not whether homosexuality is a sin. The bible is pretty clear on whether it's a sin (it is).

Whether or not the bible declares homosexual marriage a sin (it isn't as "clear" on this point, as there is no direct statement such as "do not marry a man as one does with a woman"), many Christians seems to want to apply a double-standard here. There are many sins that are not illegal, so why ban this one? We don't legislate biblical morality -- it's against the first amendment. Also, it isn't consistent to treat this sin differently than other sins -- coveting, despite being one of the 10 commandments allegedly inscribed by God Himself in stone, doesn't make one a "coveter" who is shunned or looked down upon by one's Christian peers. Should we deny marriage to coveters? Even adulterers don't have to put up a fight to preserve their right to marry.

But to the point (assuming that you're really wondering about whether or not homosexuality is a sin, despite the fact that your poll shows overwhelmingly that there's little debate on this point), does being born homosexual make it not a sin? I think the better question is this -- if homosexuality is such "an abomination", then why is it even possible? There are species like ducks (warning! nude ducks!) that have oddly-shaped genitalia that not only prevent homosexual sex but also rape... why weren't we built like that by a creator that allegedly also designed the duck? It's like killing people with your mind; it would never even occur to you to ask why God allowed us the ability to kill others with our mind because He didn't. If God didn't allow that (because not every evil choice has to be granted to us to have "free will"), then why is this possible? And more importantly, why would a certain sin like homosexuality be such a great temptation to some and a non-temptation to others? It doesn't strike me as the decision of a fair god.

 

[Starcrash]

Can you find in the bible where God destroyed a city, state or nation for having a bad temper, or for drunkenness, or for worshipping an Idol. NO, but you can find where He destroyed them for homosexuality. What does that tell you?

It tells me that you believe without much personal thought. Does this punishment even make sense? If the whole city was gay, then wouldn't it die out on its own in a single generation without God's interference? And if that did happen, then the bible could actually point to that and say "see what happens when homosexuality runs rampant"? It would be a logical consequence to that sin.

But instead it's an illogical punishment. Let me make an analogy here: let's say I tied up several anorexics to chairs and blew their brains out with a gun, declaring "see what anorexia leads to? Death!" Does this make sense to you? If I really wanted to demonstrate that anorexia was dangerous, I could do that... because it is dangerous (and yet it isn't a sin). Having one's brains blown out with a gun isn't a natural consequence of anorexia, but starving to death is. The gun demonstration shows something about me, not about anorexia.

Instead, what you're actually saying here is "God was violently biased against gays, so I have permission to be also". There was a past thread about whether Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality or due to other causes, but it isn't even important. The fact that no city has been destroyed since then suggests either 1) no city has replicated the same conditions that caused the destruction of S & G, 2) that God doesn't care as much about those conditions as He did the first time, or 3) that the story is made up. Archaeology would suggest the third option is probably true.