Do You Commit Sin?

[WheresEnoch]

I know this is getting off topic, but my parents have become KJV only from watching Mike Hoggard.
The main problem is that it doesn't matter which translation you use, if you are not abiding in Christ and being led by the Spirit and really searching for truth, you will not find it.

My father is often yelling at my mother saying vile things in anger because the love of God is not in him.
Yet he is sure of his salvation because of the false teachers which tell him all he needs to do is 'believe in his heart'.
Believing in your heart is different than believing in your mind, a belief in your heart influences how you act.

But all Mike talks about is GMO's and KJV onlyism, NWO, everyone but him is wrong and blah blah blah, no truth, no Spirit, no understanding of God's word. He exalts himself above the congregation, monopolizing the congregation with his endless rants, subjecting everyone else to laity.
I have tried to talk to my father about these things but then the hatred in his heart pours out against anyone near him.

 

[WheresEnoch]

I would like to mention another false teacher who is responsible for leading many down the wide road, including my father.

Independent, fundamental, soul-winning, King James Bible-only, Baptist Church in Phoenix Tempe, AZ pastored by Steven L Anderson.

His youtube channel is "sanderson1611". You have been warned.

Oh well, I love our Heavenly Father and His Son more than anyone else so let the dead die if that is what they desire so badly.

 

[KJV1611]

I love the KJV but I disagree with you there, but I also stay away from arguing versions, because I never see anyone grow beyond how King James is their Lord, and they stay there for many years (going nowhere) I just never seen that much fruit come of it.

You are entitled to your opinion on that though, wont argue with you (even though I prefer the KJV).

I don't like version arguments either but it's unavoidable when discussing scripture because the newer translations are so different from the KJV. Case in point, the verses this thread is about. These translations don't agree, one is right and one is wrong... it doesn't take a genius to figure out which one is wrong lol. Christians are born of God, but we do continue to sin. All things are lawful for Christians... that means there is no law that we can break to commit sin even though some of our actions are sinful.


9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

 

[VioletReigns]

Absolutely Jesus has forgiven and washed our sins away forever, meaning we are no longer living under condemnation. Spiritually we are perfect in His sight.

Our flesh is another matter. Our flesh is not able to submit to God as it is dead and was crucified on the Cross with Jesus. Nevertheless, we are learning Christ and His nature and are working it out in our flesh every day, from glory to glory. Yes, it takes believing. We have to learn to believe in every situation that God is true and our flesh is a liar. We must like Paul said, as a boxer does in a ring, TRAIN our flesh Who is the Boss. That is Christ.

We still mess up, fail, sin.. but we have an Advocate with the Father, that is Jesus. He is our Attorney, He says, "Forgiven!" each time we confess that we have sinned and failed Him. But we have to run to Him and tell Him we are weak and failing so He can restore our mind and put us upright on the path again. We don't have to keep confessing our past sins, just the ones we commit in the present.

The Lord is our Teacher and Father, we are learning and growing. We can't be delusional and say we're perfect in the flesh. Our flesh is filthy rags. Our spirit is in good standing because of the Atonement of Jesus. This daily life is a daily dying of the flesh. We gotta keep putting it off and putting on Jesus every moment.

All the flesh knows how to do is sin. It's not subject to God and never will be. We as His children must believe His Voice and not our impulses or our own intellect. We have to abandon not only our carnal intellect but our religious legalism (dogma) and just trust His Voice and His Word and His Spirit.

 

[KJV1611]

well you are backpeddling here...but that's fine

the King James Bible is not inspired...it is also a translation

not all translations are created equal, but no translations are inspired as were the original words penned


As it is, you have not responded to the questions I asked as regards this:


We aren't under anything...we are IN Christ and filled with His Spirit...the Holy Spirit...also known as the Spirit of God

The law was for everyone...male and female...I was brought up on the KJ and I am very familar with it...it just does not say what you are trying to make it say

Let's have the verse(s) where the Bible refers to a person's soul as female

Does the KJ actually state all souls are female?

Did the law only apply to men in the OT?

I agree, the law is for everyone... male and female. I never said otherwise.
We are under grace.
David's soul was a female. Psa_34:2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
I don't think David's soul is any different than any one elses soul so I would think all souls are female.
The law applied and applies to everyone except those under grace. Not sure why you asked that.

 

[KJV1611]

Thanks.

A man doing his best to find the truth, and follow what he believes. A man trying to follow Christ, love God above all and love his neighbor as himself.

But........lol........I still don't agree with some of what I read.

There's always a "but", isn't there? lol

We will all agree in heaven!

 

[dcontroversal]

There is not one recorded sin of Daniel, yet he confessed his sins in prayer and included himself with Judah that the sins of the people.....John writes almost 25% of the bible and yet includes himself in 1st John and states that If WE say that WE ave no sin the truth is not in US and WE are decieved.....everybody needs to get over themselves....we all sin in some form or fashion and those who deny this are liars and or decieved.....!

 

[KJV1611]

I know this is getting off topic, but my parents have become KJV only from watching Mike Hoggard.
The main problem is that it doesn't matter which translation you use, if you are not abiding in Christ and being led by the Spirit and really searching for truth, you will not find it.

My father is often yelling at my mother saying vile things in anger because the love of God is not in him.
Yet he is sure of his salvation because of the false teachers which tell him all he needs to do is 'believe in his heart'.
Believing in your heart is different than believing in your mind, a belief in your heart influences how you act.

But all Mike talks about is GMO's and KJV onlyism, NWO, everyone but him is wrong and blah blah blah, no truth, no Spirit, no understanding of God's word. He exalts himself above the congregation, monopolizing the congregation with his endless rants, subjecting everyone else to laity.
I have tried to talk to my father about these things but then the hatred in his heart pours out against anyone near him.

I was KJV only before I heard about Mike, but I love him... he's one of the few preachers I will listen to. Most people who don't believe in a perfect bible don't like Mike so I get your animosity toward him. As far as your folks go, being KJV only doesn't save a person. I know lots of onliers that I don't consider Christian.

 

[KJV1611]

I would like to mention another false teacher who is responsible for leading many down the wide road, including my father.



His youtube channel is "sanderson1611". You have been warned.

Oh well, I love our Heavenly Father and His Son more than anyone else so let the dead die if that is what they desire so badly.

Never heard of this guy, I will check him out.

 

[tourist]

I have no idea what this thread is about.

 

[KJV1611]

I have no idea what this thread is about.

It's about born again believers not committing sin verses not sinning any more. We can't commit sin because there is no law making us guilty of committing sin even though we still sin.... clear as mud right?

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[WheresEnoch]

Back to the topic then

How do you explain this passage KJV1611?

Paul was telling the Corinthians to purge those who continue in sin and following the flesh from the church. The criteria: greedy, slanderous, sexually immoral, drunkards, revilers, extortioners etc... Paul obviously considered their sin to still be sin, not only that but is saying they have no place in the church as their behavior proves they are not Christians

1 Corinthians 5
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

 

[MarcR]

Any honest Christian readily admits that they still sin... it's human nature to sin and we all still have that nature. The fact is this verse does not say a Christian will stop practicing sin as the NASB puts it.



Trust me, the newer translations will always keep you in bondage and lead you to believe that you have to work and make yourself better. The KJV accurately puts it as "doth not commit sin", which is the absolute truth.

Christians still sin, but they do not "commit sin" because there is no such thing as committing a sin in a born again persons life. In order to commit a sin, one has to transgress the law.



There is no law for Christians (because our husband is dead and we are freed from his law) hence Christians do not commit sin. Don't let these newer translations rob you of your joy and freedom in the Lord... rest in the finished work of Jesus.

KJV,



commit sin in the KJV and practice sin in the modern versions meant exactly the same thing in the time they were published. They are both correct translations of ποιεῖ the present active indicative of ποιέω meaning do or make. In Greek, the present tense denotes persistent or habitual action. It does not speak of action occurring in isolated instances regardless how often repeated.

 

[KJV1611]

Back to the topic then

How do you explain this passage KJV1611?

Paul was telling the Corinthians to purge those who continue in sin and following the flesh from the church. The criteria: greedy, slanderous, sexually immoral, drunkards, revilers, extortioners etc... Paul obviously considered their sin to still be sin, not only that but is saying they have no place in the church as their behavior proves they are not Christians

1 Corinthians 5
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I have the utmost respect for a person that goes to scripture to defend their position! This is how we learn from each other.... study these things to show ourselves approved.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate for sinning. I fully agree that we should live as righteous a life as we can.

In the verses your talking about, I thought the brothers Paul was talking about were his Jewish brothers, what makes you think Paul is talking about his church brothers?

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

 

[WheresEnoch]

I have the utmost respect for a person that goes to scripture to defend their position! This is how we learn from each other.... study these things to show ourselves approved.

Agreed

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate for sinning. I fully agree that we should live as righteous a life as we can.

In the verses your talking about, I thought the brothers Paul was talking about were his Jewish brothers, what makes you think Paul is talking about his church brothers?

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

It is my understanding that this letter is written to the believers in Corinth. No distinction between Jews and Gentiles in Christ. I believe he is using the term gentile for those who are not believers in the one true God and His Son.

I see no reason to doubt my understanding from the context. But let's say that he is only talking to those of a Jewish heritage, does it make sense that Jewish believers in Christ would still be accountable to the laws of God while non-Jewish believers are not?

 

[KJV1611]

KJV,



commit sin in the KJV and practice sin in the modern versions meant exactly the same thing in the time they were published. They are both correct translations of ποιεῖ the present active indicative of ποιέω meaning do or make. In Greek, the present tense denotes persistent or habitual action. It does not speak of action occurring in isolated instances regardless how often repeated.

That seems strange to me that they both mean exactly the same thing.
If I practice law would it be proper to say I commit law also?
Or if I commit a murder does that mean I habitually practice murder?

 

[DesiredHaven]

Fornication was a no no for the Gentiles as the Holy Spirit had them write of the necessary things from which to abstain from also.

I probably lean more to WheresEnoch understanding as to who Paul is speaking of (brother related) above that there is neither Jew or Greek (in Christ) but outside of that refering to what might be more typical of the Jews (in things) and typical of the Gentiles in things and seems to look as if he is pointing out the fornication (among them) but the kind of fornication is not so much named among the Gentiles a man having his fathers wife (in that respect).

 

[KJV1611]

Agreed



It is my understanding that this letter is written to the believers in Corinth. No distinction between Jews and Gentiles in Christ. I believe he is using the term gentile for those who are not believers in the one true God and His Son.

I see no reason to doubt my understanding from the context. But let's say that he is only talking to those of a Jewish heritage, does it make sense that Jewish believers in Christ would still be accountable to the laws of God while non-Jewish believers are not?

I don't see anything in those verses that suggests they are believers in Christ. I assume you believe the fact that Paul calls them brothers means they are brothers in Christ... I can see your point although I don't agree.

I don't believe a true Christian could do the things mentioned in those verses. Just an opinion, not saying it's gospel.

 

[KJV1611]

Fornication was a no no for the Gentiles as the Holy Spirit had them write of the necessary things from which to abstain from also.

I probably lean more to WheresEnoch understanding as to who Paul is speaking of (brother related) above that there is neither Jew or Greek (in Christ) but outside of that refering to what might be more typical of the Jews (in things) and typical of the Gentiles in things and seems to look as if he is pointing out the fornication (among them) but the kind of fornication is not so much named among the Gentiles a man having his fathers wife (in that respect).

You guys could be right... but the "one" in verse 5 is not saved. If he was, he wouldn't be delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh in order to save his spirit. If he was a Christian then he was saved by grace through faith.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Agricola]

Yes join the cult of King James Onlyism and live in the knowledge that despite what you think and do you will never sin again.