Do You Commit Sin?

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MikkoAinasoja

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34. Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin. 35. And the bondservant abideth not in the house for ever: the son abideth for ever. (John 8:34-35)

I don't do sin, and it is shameful to see how the people's defense the sin in they life, and bend the word of the God, so that the sinful life can go on.

If you truly receive the Lord in your heart you will be free from committing sin, but today we live the time of predicted apostasy, and the people's are like it is predicted that they will be.

The sound doctrine is something that you people's can't take today.

Open your eye's, and do not sin anymore, because the price of sin is dead, and eternal pain, but the price of righteousness is eternal life in the Lord Jesus Christ

Do not deceive your selves.
 
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I don't know how to make it any clearer than this:

1Co_6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Just read it and believe it! Paul said ALL THINGS are lawful for him. Just because something is lawful doesn't mean it wont have consequences. I'm like Paul... My conscious is clear, there is nothing to accuse me of and even though this is true, I wont be brought under the power of them as long as God gives me the grace to overcome.
Yeah.... if that was the case, then Adam and Eve could have gotten away with their sin in the Garden and still lived there. You are not better than they are, my friend. God is not a respecter of persons. Adam and Eve only committed one sin and it thru the entire human race into sin and death. How can you think your sin is any less destructive? How can you think they were not forgiven by faith in the Messiah? But.... lets look at 1 Corinthians chapter 6 and see if verse 12 justifyies a sin and still be saved type doctrine.

1 Corinthians 6:1 says, "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?"

And 1 Corinthians 6:7-8 says,
"Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren."

So all things are lawful for me is in context here to matters of justice in this part of the Scripture. In another part of Scripture it is in reference to what we can eat. Nowhere is 1 Corinthians 6 in reference to sin being lawful for you.

How do we know?

1 Corinthians 6 says this,

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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

See that? Paul says ..... BE NOT DECEIVED and then he goes on to list sins whereby a person shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Now, lets understand something here, friend. An unbeliever cannot be deceived by sin because he is already deceived by the devil and sin. ONLY a BELIEVER can be deceived by sin whereby they will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Paul even makes it clear that a believer is not practicing sin or sinning at all because he says in verse 11 that.... AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. Meaning they used to be sinners and did those types of sins that he listed, but they no longer live that way anymore. They no longer do those sinful things.

Paul says....

BE NOT DECEIVED.

But will anyone here believe him?

Although, I am praying for people to see the truth here on this matter, my guess is that most here won't see it (Because they don't want to see it). Most prefer their sin over God. So they invent an out or an excuse a clause in the contract of their own imagining that allows them to sin on occasion with the thinking they are saved (when no such teaching exists in the Word of God).

 
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Hey that's pretty good Dave... I still knowingly and willing still sin sometimes. I'm not too concerned with sin in my life, I've learned that the Christian life is about loving God and loving people and has little to do with sin.
Astounding.

It still blows my mind to read such comments when the Bible is so very clear...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


That was the point of this thread. It's impossible for a believer to commit a sin because all things are lawful for Christians.
Murder, Rape, Theft?

All things are lawful? You really think that is what Paul was teaching when he wrote that?

Astounding.


I think it's a good idea to not sin and I think that's why Jesus told those 2 to go and sin no more.... however I doubt they were able to do it.
The woman was not able to stop engaging in adultery? They were not able to stop lying, cheating, stealing?

If you sin you are of the devil. That is what the Bible clearly teaches. I am not speaking of making a mistake in ignorance, I am speaking of purposeful wrong doing with knowledge. If you do evil knowingly you are of Satan. The Gospel is to rescue us from such a state and if you have not been rescued from a state where you still sin then you have surely not been saved from sin.
 
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"All things are lawful" is in the context that the law is the light of conscience through a faith that works by love. Such a statement has nothing to do with any righteous standard being cancelled.

If an individual is to abstain from meat or drink or abstain from a certain holiday due to conscience we are not to judge that person for it because all things are lawful in the light of conscience. That is what Paul teaches.

Fornication, murder, idolatry, lust, lying, cheating, theft, hatred are all out of the question. If we have not love then everything is vanity and we will perish in our sins.
 
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Only the devil would tell you to stop sinning right?
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Folks thinking they can ignore God's moral law was predicted by Paul himself. He talks about how this was going to happen.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." (2 Timothy 3:1-9).
 

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I'm aware that my flesh sins daily - even when I become angry or fearful (anything not of faith is sin) - yet the way that I have always understood it is that Jesus has released me from them in the way the law of Moses could not do. Released me from the condemnation that the law put everyone under.

I have to keep it this simple. And I need to see myself as a "sinner" so that I can love even more His grace and mercy towards me.
 

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There are those in this room trying to establish Gods foundations of truth on sin, forgiveness, and grace, and the judgements thereof, but there are those who want to mount their future on the statistics of mans failures as if majority rules. Majority does not rule in Gods judgement; He does. Grace is not to be off set in it's balanced place of Gods use of it either.

The answer to all this is found in the belief of the premise of sins allowances. There is none by Gods standards. For God looks not at our ability any longer He only sees Christ's in the New Covenant.

So, now the people bring up everything from mens statistical averages on performance, to grace of God and His forgiveness of sin, to even the quiet unmentioned desires of the flesh we hold for our closet doors have no lights, to establish there carnal direction of allowances vs. the seeking the face of God. Scripture has been laid out, We cannot be sinless in the law of the carnal hearts rule originated from Adams original sin, so no effort to follow the law can work..period. Ever...And we are required to complete the work set out by God in our lives thru the work of Christ. Sin will be judged against the Christian.

Some will argue the point of success in part, even more than less. Yet, if it is not in whole Gods righteousness can not have it in His presence. Only a pure sacrifice was going to match payment for the Sins of man. That we all agree was Christ on a cross. Yet, we now bring in the concept of the Old Man to the Spirit of life's rule and state that grace is the lube to the wheel of our everyday victory. It is not. Forgiveness is in the process of Christ finishing His work. But we must understand the premise! It is a all-inclusive victory over sin. In other words do we have to sin? NO. and that is important to note. Will we fail as humans, probably...as Gods grace brings us to center...yet God will have us come to a point of complete denial of sin at all.For this is His will, and His finished work... and His power to accomplish that in every life in this room, is Finished, even before we live it out . . To deny that is faithlessness. To deny that is a sin. But we must exercise our will to live it out. To say the standards are different to allow you not to trust God fully won't fly with God. He will spew us out of His mouth. Mathew tells us in the sheep and goats story that many won't get why...Satan will have blinded them as they thought they were in...This is my warning, scripture is clear. Hon your bible skills, that awesome but understand we need to come to the conclusion too.

God tells us that if we continue to sin when given opportunity not to, we will be judged for it. And some have excused that judgement. It will be the condition of your Salvation if you do. I care way to much for you to think this divergent thought. Satan has no right over your mind. You are the Lords. We need to stop debating the error and preach the Gospel laid out in it's Spiritual discernment.

Father , as I see the wheels turn in your Children as we discuss, and even fine tune our biblical skills, I also see Satan winning the environment when a weaker brother is listening not knowing the truths end. And quarreling is seen as some fall prey to that. And scripture is diluted with cunning and effort... Help us Father see your Word clearly and come to righteous conclusions...In your name...Amen!
 
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Why would you say the soul is an inanimate object? The soul is more of a person than the flesh and bones. Flesh and bones die and rot but the soul gets redeemed and lives on forever. In reality the soul is the person and the flesh and bones are inanimate objects. But this is neither here nor there... I would like to know what the Hebrew readers read from the passage if you wouldn't mind telling me. Would someone reading this in Hebrew come away with "My soul shall make her boast"?

No I don't think you can take a single verse and make an assumption on it and in my opinion I haven't done that. We already know that the collective body of believers, "the church" is referred to as a woman. We also know that Jesus doesn't marry our flesh, he marries our soul. When I see that the bible calls David's soul a "her", it all comes together. The church is a woman because the church is the collective souls of all the believers.

Romans 7 is not a mystery to me any more. The Old Testament laws were nothing more than a shadow of good things to come. The good thing is... Christ crucified my souls husband, the flesh, and now his law has no dominion over me, I'm free to marry Christ.

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
I didn't say the soul was inanimate...sigh....I was explaining how objects are rendered either male or female while being only objects

Then I went on to try and explain that the word soul in the original language had a female designation in the same manner

I am glad Angela explained it to your satisfaction...she might have put the reference for that though...copy/paste

anyway, David's soul was male...my point was taking the KJ as the only reliable translation and all else are wrong is not actually so...
 
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I'm aware that my flesh sins daily - even when I become angry or fearful (anything not of faith is sin) - yet the way that I have always understood it is that Jesus has released me from them in the way the law of Moses could not do. Released me from the condemnation that the law put everyone under.

I have to keep it this simple. And I need to see myself as a "sinner" so that I can love even more His grace and mercy towards me.
Well said. One who fails to see they fall far short of the glory of God has a very serious problem of self-righteousness the Bible condemns. The more I learn and see our Holy God, the more I know that, but for the righteousness of Christ through faith and grace, all I could do otherwise, to this day, is go around saying, "Unclean! Unclean!"

Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
 
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I didn't say the soul was inanimate...sigh....I was explaining how objects are rendered either male or female while being only objects

Then I went on to try and explain that the word soul in the original language had a female designation in the same manner

I am glad Angela explained it to your satisfaction...she might have put the reference for that though...copy/paste

anyway, David's soul was male...my point was taking the KJ as the only reliable translation and all else are wrong is not actually so...
I understand you believe David's soul was male, but what I want to know is why you believe that? What part of the text tells you that David's soul was male?
 
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The bible is an amazing and powerful book. If you like bondage it will keep you in bondage or if you like freedom it will set you free. Don't you guys want to enter into the promised land? Don't you want to rest in the Sabbath? The first step in both of those is to cease from your own works... then you can enter into the land flowing with milk and honey... then you can truly understand grace.
 
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Well said. One who fails to see they fall far short of the glory of God has a very serious problem of self-righteousness the Bible condemns. The more I learn and see our Holy God, the more I know that, but for the righteousness of Christ through faith and grace, all I could do otherwise, to this day, is go around saying, "Unclean! Unclean!"

Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

Yep, the closer you press into God, seek His Face, the more you realize how 'short' you really fall daily! Christ Crucified.. always nullifies the pride of man, its a Great Place to Abide.. under the Shadow of the Cross, where your in abilities and your falling short ' ,are exposed like an x-ray machine, but the GRACE, MERCY, LOVE, AND TRUTH of God are abundantly RELEASED upon you... thats why the Cross and its preaching are a stumblingstone and offense to so many on here, and thats why Its an Enemy to those staunch pharisees, who do it their way.. but do not see the Eternal Fire at the end of that Broad path! indeed!
 

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HA! No... Once you are truly born of Christ you are sinless. If you still sin, you're going to hell. Sorry just the way it is.

My poop doesn't stink either.
 
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Yep, the closer you press into God, seek His Face, the more you realize how 'short' you really fall daily! Christ Crucified.. always nullifies the pride of man, its a Great Place to Abide.. under the Shadow of the Cross, where your in abilities and your falling short ' ,are exposed like an x-ray machine, but the GRACE, MERCY, LOVE, AND TRUTH of God are abundantly RELEASED upon you... thats why the Cross and its preaching are a stumblingstone and offense to so many on here, and thats why Its an Enemy to those staunch pharisees, who do it their way.. but do not see the Eternal Fire at the end of that Broad path! indeed!
Just Amen, brother!
 
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HA! No... Once you are truly born of Christ you are sinless. If you still sin, you're going to hell. Sorry just the way it is.

My poop doesn't stink either.

Those WHO DONT KNOW HIM.. will have their partake of Gehenna Fire.. many will stand there on that day and claim Him, doing Great Works for Him.. but He will tell them.. "I never knew you''.. depart me ye that work iniquity!..... many claim Him, but they are ENEMIES of the Cross of Christ, ohhh that is VERY VERY EVIDENT, Why, Because It nullifes their spiritual pride... and calls them on their 'sin'.. the sin of unbelief and pride.. the Reality of Gehenna... some on that day.. Words cannot describe the Reality of that horror... and its Eternal... no coming out for coffee and cookies, a breather, then back in.. PERPETUAL and ETernal.. forever!
 
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Or, we can pretend we live in the Spirit and try to deal with our 'sins'. This is a loosing battle, for the ending is obvious. What makes me saddened is that I see so many 'churched' folks openly promote and advocate obvious 'sins'. Need I mention a few? I do not know any "Christian" singles in my church or other churches in our affiliation that has something to look forward to on their wedding night. I see parents allowing their teens to have opposite sex guests do homework and even sleep over in their children's bedrooms. I see open acceptance of same sex marriage partners and even same sex couples sitting in church pews in 'kissy poo' scenarios. I have actually spoken with a nudist pastor who preaches in a nudist colony. The list goes on...no wonder there is no grand outpouring of the Holy Spirit and a great Falling Away in our modern churches.
 

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Oh Lord why are our eyes so covered by the cloud of misunderstanding?!! Help us see...

I see the power of sin undermined, I see the lack of changing into the New man completely. I see the misunderstanding that it does not take a pure sacrifice to answer the power of sin in relationship to Gods righteousness.

Let me change the picture a touch to see it if this helps:: Let's call the Old Man a Dog, let's call the New Man a Lamb. Why are we comparing a Dog to a Lamb?..you say well because we will always have sinful nature, or, you may say the dog will always have a influence, for the bible says if anyone says they are not a sinner he is a liar. hence, we live thru Gods grace to cover that influence.

So are we to say the Lamb has dog parts? Or are we to say the Dog has wings? But God called us to be perfect just as He is perfect. It doesn't say,.."To know perfect as He knows perfect." Do you even feel the difference in your soul, to that statement change? We now need grace to substitute Christ in it's importance?. No!... where in Scripture does it say grace is the way to the Father.. 1 John 5:11-12, doesn't mention grace at all. I see a Dog, a Dog with wings, and a Lamb ,with a backpack on. Not biblical references but my reference to illustrate. ... .

The Dog is not a lamb in anyway. the dog with wings is the grace over- emphasized faith of accepting sin in all people. Remember the Scripture talking about all have sin in us is referencing only the Dog. The scripture talking about anyone not saying sin is in them is a liar is also talking about only about the Dog, not the Lamb.We are now not the Dog but a Lamb with a back pack on. God says there is only the Dog or Lamb, again my analogy, based on Scripture. The Dog with wings that people feel exists; does not exist at all.. It is the fixing of the Dog. This is not a partly damaged Lamb to God but still simply a Dog.

Grace is for the finishing work of the Lamb, not an omission of Gods judgement over a Lambs sins. But if we are a Lamb found in Christ, the judgement of sinlessness then becomes not compared to the Dog, but the Lamb. And if Christ is what God sees not even us, and we say sin will still be in us everyday we are to say Christ is in sin everyday?, and God has to cover it, in Jesus, daily??, But what of the Scripture that says Christ is God? The triune doesn't exist, we have to throw out a lot of Scripture to get to that overemphasized grace to fit the, now, mans version don't we? See the mess this is becoming?

Do we not think God would have not Sacrificed His only begotten Son, if it were possible to get the job done another way? But we need to see the absolute POWER found in the righteousness of God Himself. In the very nature of who God is no ability to have sin in His presence. Our sin made us unfixable, our will is too weak. Not a spec of sin can exist in His presence. So the only answer was a 100% pure sacrifice to pay for the sins of man. And the only answer is to believe, and to respond to that belief in confession of the Dog and in the understanding of the Lamb found in the History and victory of the Cross on Calvary to be sinless and give opportunity for God to finish His work in us.in There is NO DOG in the Lamb, none. Born again means death and birth exist equally, And equally complete.

Christ didn't sin on the cross, as some have claimed He gave Himself over to accept sin onto Himself. bearing sin and committing sin are two different animals like the Dog and Lamb.The victory we have is complete.

You may wonder what the back pack is all about..this is sins nature in the backpack, always with us, but never needed to take out unless we chose.And yes, Satan will come by and unzip the back pack and take out some and sprinkle it around us, but He can never make us partake, because of the completeness of that victory I spoke of earlier, found on the cross. Amen! I am free yes free indeed! Theres the freedom!

The back pack is something we have next to us, yet God will always be there to supervise the opening of it, the use of it, and the judgement of its use, for God rules in all things now. God has said Go and sin no more. This is his will, and there is to be nothing added or taken from it. He says to many books there is no end...so lets get this... the cross is our power, grace is our finishing tool of the Lamb, But be careful not to turn back into the Dog. be careful that the Lamb does not get it's work finished, for God will judge both.
 
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EVERYONE sins. Yes, even the most pious, righteous christians sin. As you said, it's human nature. God made us that way. Whoever says they do NOT sin is a bald-faced liar..
Therefore it is not I that sin; BUT SIN THAT IS IN ME!!!
Read all your bible BALDY
P.S. God did not make us that way...
READ your bible and please for the sake of the babes in Christ speak Gods word, not your own misunderstanding.