FreeGrace2 said:
I'd like to introduce you to 1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
Your argument is specious. No one is arguing that man saves himself through faith. That is ludicrous.
The Bible is clear: God saves those who believe.
What the Bible doesn't say is that God saves those He has elected.
Just stop all this childish gibberish. I have given you the Bible. Maybe it's you who doesn't seem to understand.
If you don't think the verses I quote support my beliefs, then address the verse and explain why the verse doesn't. Just spewing your own brand of error does no good.
That's been MY point. Aren't you reading my posts?
v.4 says exactly that. God chose us (believers-v.19) to be holy and blameless.
I wish you were just kidding, but unfortunately, I know you are serious.
Because there are NO verses that show that election is to salvation. None, zero, nada, zip. Do any of these words have meaning for you?
And if it were so, then please explain why Jesus, Judas, angel and the entire nation of Israel were chosen.
Not Jesus, not Judas, not angels, and NOT the nation of Israel.
A really odd question. The point is that people are saved AND elected for service. Too many believers fail to understand that. They just think they are among the "lucky ones" who God chose to save, unconditionally. They have NO IDEA that their election is FOR service, not to avoid the LoF.
Not everyone is elected. Your question is too vague to really be able to respond to.
If you are referring to "everyone who is saved", then the answer is simply, yes, God has chosen believers...for service.
And Eph 2:10 PROVES that clearly.
What in the world are you talking about?
Do you not think it is IMPORTANT that EVERY believer understand that they were elected for service? I've already pointed out that too many believers simply think election means they are among the "lucky ones", or the "chosen frozen" in order to miss the LoF.
And they couldn't be farther from the truth!
These "frozen chosen" need a kick in their butts and told what they were chosen for. It wasn't to miss the LoF.
I've given you 3 examples of election that WAS NOT to salvation, and you just gloss over them as if they don't exist.
ALL election is for service. Jesus Christ, angels, the nation of Israel, Judas, church age believers. And the first 4 examples CANNOT be for salvation.