Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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Everlasting-Grace said:
You like so many legalists do. Are stuck on james, and totally ignore paul in romans 4. You cause the word of God to contradict itself. You cause Paul and James to be at odds. Its people like you that get so many people to reject pauls teachings as a fraud. Because Paul taught salvation through grace alone by faith alone.

James said those who CLAIM to have faith but have no works are liars and decieved.

I agree wiht James. True faith causes works.

But james did not contradict paul. You would do well to research and study the context of James better before you Attack others
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If you don't do Christian works you're not a Christian!
 
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rogerg said:
Not that I think you will be able to comprehend it, but God has informed us of that very thing: that it is God Himself who preserves His saints for ever

[Psa 37:28 KJV] 28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

[Pro 2:8 KJV] 8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
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You have to rely on OT to prove OSAS? OSAS is not in the Christian Bible, maybe in Satan's bible.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Nonsense. The so-called "license to sin" comes from having a human nature. Read Romans 5. All of it.

As to eternal security being 'satanic', you are a blasphemer. Jesus taught it clearly. Maybe you just don't have ears to hear. What say you?

John 5:24 teaches that those who believe (present tense) have (as in possess - present tense) eternal life.
John 10:28 teaches that Jesus is the One who gives the gift of eternal life, and gives us the results of being given eternal life; shall never perish.

If you can't understand eternal security from these 2 verses, you just aren't wanting to.
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You can't find where you can't forsake God? Of course not! It's not in the Bible. Satan LOVES OSAS!
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Of course x 2


Do you know what Paul was warning about? I do. Do you?
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Yep. He was saying he could become unsaved. Are you saying Paul wasn't a Christian?

1 Corinthians 9:27 (NKJV)
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Wow. EVERY religion in history is a "works religion". Christian is the sole exception to religion. In fact, Christianity is NOT a religion.

It is a relationship with God, the Creator of the universe, through His Son, by means of faith.

What kind of cult are you in?

Didn't you read my reply? I explained WHY it isn't a religion.

What did you not understand?

And would you answer what cult you are in, since nothing you have posted resembles Christianity.
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I'm in the Christian "cult". That's why I don't ignore many Scriptures like OSASers do.
 
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Avery said:
I am not an OSAS person. Nor am I all tied up in TULIP and the aggression and anger that goes along with it.

I have a Bible full of scripture and it does not support your nastiness or inability to actually discuss

Really, ducky, things are just not as quacked up as you think they are.
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What "nastiness"? How are false accusations different from LYING?
 
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Duckybill said:
No NT? Of course you don't! There AIN'T any that support OSAS!
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Wait - just so I understand, are you saying that you don't consider the Bible to be comprised of both the old and new testaments? Is that right?
 
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rogerg said:
Wait - just so I understand, are you saying that you don't consider the Bible to be comprised of both the old and new testaments? Is that right?
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No, I'm saying there is ZERO NT proof of OSAS. Are you Christian? Then give us NT proof of OSAS. NO WHERE does it say we can't forsake God.
 
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Duckybill said:
No, I'm saying there is ZERO NT proof of OSAS.
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Well since you consider the OT part of the Bible, then is it that you don't think that for ever is synonymous to always?

[Psa 37:28 KJV] 28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off
 
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rogerg said:
Well since you consider the OT part of the Bible, then is it that you don't think that for ever is synonymous to always?

[Psa 37:28 KJV] 28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off
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Stick with NT like I do.

Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
 
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Duckybill said:
No, I'm saying there is ZERO NT proof of OSAS. Are you Christian? Then give us NT proof of OSAS. NO WHERE does it say we can't forsake God.
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Why do you keep insisting on the NT if you believe the OT is part of Bible too? In the verse I gave you it says that God Himself preserves His saints for ever, doesn't it? To preserve, is the equitant of to keep

Biblical definition of "preserved"
  1. to keep, guard, observe, give heed
    1. (Qal)
      1. to keep, have charge of
      2. to keep, guard, keep watch and ward, protect, save life
        1. watch, watchman (participle)
      3. to watch for, wait for
      4. to watch, observe
      5. to keep, retain, treasure up (in memory)
      6. to keep (within bounds), restrain
      7. to observe, celebrate, keep (sabbath or covenant or commands), perform (vow)
      8. to keep, preserve, protect
      9. to keep, reserve
    2. (Niphal)
      1. to be on one's guard, take heed, take care, beware
      2. to keep oneself, refrain, abstain
      3. to be kept, be guarded
    3. (Piel) to keep, pay heed
    4. (Hithpael) to keep oneself


Here, in this verse we are also informed that the Christian has been given eternal life. If eternal, it cannot be lost, right? That is, they HAVE eternal live

[1Jo 5:13 KJV] 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

biblical definition of "have"
  1. to have, i.e. to hold
    1. to have (hold) in the hand, in the sense of wearing, to have (hold) possession of the mind (refers to alarm, agitating emotions, etc.), to hold fast keep, to have or comprise or involve, to regard or consider or hold as
  2. to have i.e. own, possess
    1. external things such as pertain to property or riches or furniture or utensils or goods or food etc.
    2. used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship
  3. to hold one's self or find one's self so and so, to be in such or such a condition
  4. to hold one's self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to
    1. to be closely joined to a person or a thing
 
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rogerg said:
Why do you keep insisting on the NT if you believe the OT is part of Bible too? In the verse I gave you it says that God Himself preserves His saints for ever, doesn't it? To preserve, is the equitant of to keep

Biblical definition of "preserved"
  1. to keep, guard, observe, give heed
    1. (Qal)
      1. to keep, have charge of
      2. to keep, guard, keep watch and ward, protect, save life
        1. watch, watchman (participle)
      3. to watch for, wait for
      4. to watch, observe
      5. to keep, retain, treasure up (in memory)
      6. to keep (within bounds), restrain
      7. to observe, celebrate, keep (sabbath or covenant or commands), perform (vow)
      8. to keep, preserve, protect
      9. to keep, reserve
    2. (Niphal)
      1. to be on one's guard, take heed, take care, beware
      2. to keep oneself, refrain, abstain
      3. to be kept, be guarded
    3. (Piel) to keep, pay heed
    4. (Hithpael) to keep oneself


Here, in this verse we are also informed that the Christian has been given eternal life. If eternal, it cannot be lost, right? That is, they HAVE eternal live

[1Jo 5:13 KJV] 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

biblical definition of "have"
  1. to have, i.e. to hold
    1. to have (hold) in the hand, in the sense of wearing, to have (hold) possession of the mind (refers to alarm, agitating emotions, etc.), to hold fast keep, to have or comprise or involve, to regard or consider or hold as
  2. to have i.e. own, possess
    1. external things such as pertain to property or riches or furniture or utensils or goods or food etc.
    2. used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship
  3. to hold one's self or find one's self so and so, to be in such or such a condition
  4. to hold one's self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to
    1. to be closely joined to a person or a thing
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There are ZERO NT Scriptures that say we can't forsake God. NONE!
 
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rogerg said:
You don't give the orders - understand?
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I understand you have ZERO OSAS Scripture, OT nor NT. There AIN'T any.

Written to Christians:
Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
 
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