Doctrine of Unconditional Election

[FreeGrace2]

You can't find where you can't forsake God?

No one asked me to. However, it is clear that anyone can forsake God. Jesus gave the parable of the idiot son, I mean, prodigal son, that shows a son forsaking his father, and then repenting and confessing his sin to his father.

A perfect analogy to God's children.

Of course not! It's not in the Bible. Satan LOVES OSAS!

How do you know what Satan loves. No doubt he hates the eternal security that Jesus has promised those who have believed in Him.

However, one thing is very clear: the devil "deceives the whole world" and "leads the whole world astray".

So, those who hate eternal security HAVE BEEN DECEIVED by the devil.

You have now seen clear biblical evidence for eternal security. It's yours to believe or reject.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yep. He was saying he could become unsaved.

No, he wasn't. You are very confused or deceived by the deceiver.

Are you saying Paul wasn't a Christian?

No, I'm not.

1 Corinthians 9:27 (NKJV)
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

If you would take the time to read the context, it is about "the prize", or winning a race. That is a reward for effort. Salvation is NOT a reward for effort. It is by grace through faith, not of works. Eph 2:8,9.

Any believer can be disqualified for eternal reward by their lifestyle. That was Paul's message.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I'm in the Christian "cult". That's why I don't ignore many Scriptures like OSASers do.

You've certainly ignored (or flatout rejected) Jesus' words in John 5:24 and 10:28.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
I haven't seen any Scripture from you that supports your claims.

What "claims"? Are you being VAGUE on purpose?

You claim that salvation can be lost. Prove it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

NONE of that says we can't forsake God! You've been duped.

You're just being goofy now. Yes, believers can forsake God. But you can't prove that equals loss of salvation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

No, I'm saying there is ZERO NT proof of OSAS. Are you Christian? Then give us NT proof of OSAS. NO WHERE does it say we can't forsake God.

You have been deceived into thinking that forsaking God equals loss of salvation. So where is your evidence from Scripture.

 

[FreeGrace2]

OSASers totally ignore the Scriptures. Paul said he could "become disqualified", unsaved! Paul wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone. Was Paul unsaved? OSASers avoid Scripture like PLAGUE!

This proves how much you totally FAIL to understand the Bible.

 

[rogerg]

OK, I see. I don't get to "make the rules of Bible interpretation", but it seems YOU do. How does that work, exactly?

Like this (once again):

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Meaning that any one verse is not conclusive in itself - this is the exact opposite to what you said


[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Meaning that all like verses should be analyzed as a whole, not individually

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

IOW, you have ZERO Scripture to support that we can't forsake God. There AIN'T none!

I never said we can’t forsake God.

you should just give up my friend.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Like this (once again):

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Meaning that any one verse is not conclusive in itself

I've provided a number of verses that say what I believe.

- this is the exact opposite to what you said

Your "commentary" is wrong.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We were all dogs before Christ. Yes, you too. And you can choose to return to your own vomit.

Nope

Because I am no longer a dog. I was made into a new creature.

DOGS return to vomit because THEY ARE STILL DOGS

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

If you don't do Christian works you're not a Christian!

Many people do christian works and do not know Christ.

Stop focusing on works, and fo us on CHrist

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

"Faith without works is DEAD".

Hope you get it before Judgment Day!

There you go again, Fail to read, Fail to understand. Stick your foot in your mouth with almost e very post.

I said TRUE faith has TRUE works.

Again, You should give it up..You hate and anger against my faith has destroyed you

 

[Duckybill]

It is by Paul saying that it is God Himself who works and leads us to where He wants us to be even though it may seem
to be coming from/by/through us, it isn't. And if it is God who is doing it, then we cannot fall from it of ourselves.

So Paul wasn't a Christian?

1 Corinthians 9:27 (NKJV)
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

 

[Duckybill]

Many people do christian works and do not know Christ.

Stop focusing on works, and fo us on CHrist

If you don't do Christian works you aren't a Christian.

James "Faith without works is DEAD".

 

[Duckybill]

Of course it is.

John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

From this verse, WHEN does a believer POSSESS eternal life? It says those who believe (present tense) HAVE (as in possess, also in the present tense) eternal life.

So, we KNOW from this verse that the MOMENT of saving faith in Christ, the believer possesses eternal life.

Now, does the Bible teach anywhere that eternal life can be revoked? No.

Now, John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

This verse very clearly says that those given eternal life shall NEVER PERISH.

So, you now have a choice to make. Either continue believing the very unbiblical heresy that salvation can be lost, or accept the clear words of Jesus Himself about how to receive eternal life (Jn 5:24), and the result of having eternal life (Jn 10:28).

Your choice.

NONE of that says we can't forsake God!

 

[Duckybill]

No one asked me to. However, it is clear that anyone can forsake God. Jesus gave the parable of the idiot son, I mean, prodigal son, that shows a son forsaking his father, and then repenting and confessing his sin to his father.

A perfect analogy to God's children.


How do you know what Satan loves. No doubt he hates the eternal security that Jesus has promised those who have believed in Him.

However, one thing is very clear: the devil "deceives the whole world" and "leads the whole world astray".

So, those who hate eternal security HAVE BEEN DECEIVED by the devil.

You have now seen clear biblical evidence for eternal security. It's yours to believe or reject.

YAY! OSASers say I can NEVER be unsaved!

 

[Duckybill]

No, he wasn't. You are very confused or deceived by the deceiver.

No, I'm not.

If you would take the time to read the context, it is about "the prize", or winning a race. That is a reward for effort. Salvation is NOT a reward for effort. It is by grace through faith, not of works. Eph 2:8,9.

Any believer can be disqualified for eternal reward by their lifestyle. That was Paul's message.

YAY! OSASers say I can NEVER be unsaved. Wish I could say the same about OSASers! Alas, the Scriptures are clear.

Hebrews 6:4-8 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit (Christians), 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

 

[Duckybill]

You've certainly ignored (or flatout rejected) Jesus' words in John 5:24 and 10:28.

Too much trouble to quote Scripture for us? Let me help you again.

Hebrews 6:4-8 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit (Christians), 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

 

[Duckybill]

FreeGrace2 said:
I haven't seen any Scripture from you that supports your claims.

You claim that salvation can be lost. Prove it.

Hebrews 6:4-8 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit (Christians), 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.