Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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brightfame52

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CS1 said:
if the unconditional is continually relating to the " Elect" what is your understanding of unconditional?

IF elect means Only those who God has chosen then you have really made a mistake of Election.

the people of God are elect or known as God's elect. YET He chosen those who were not of those elected did HE not?

Did not salvation come to the gentiles who are NOT or were not the " Elect of God"?
it is one word people are making elite. This is how the Germanys killed the jews, this is how white supremacy has taken root in the protestant churches, the idea of God's elect focused on the flesh, not on the work of the Cross.

Don't take my word for it look at all those posts so far how many have even mentioned Jesus in them? elect, elect, elect, bla bla blah
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I defined unconditional election in my op
 
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Nehemiah6

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brightfame52 said:
Its crystal clear that the scriptures teach election, even unconditional election in salvation.
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It is crystal clear only to those influenced by Reformed Theology. For all other Christians (the majority) election is never for salvation (justification), but definitely for glorification. The very fact that God commands ALL MEN (all people) everywhere to repent, and desires the salvation of all, refutes this Calvinistic nonsense.
 
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brightfame52

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CS1 said:
if the unconditional is continually relating to the " Elect" what is your understanding of unconditional?

IF elect means Only those who God has chosen then you have really made a mistake of Election.

the people of God are elect or known as God's elect. YET He chosen those who were not of those elected did HE not?

Did not salvation come to the gentiles who are NOT or were not the " Elect of God"?
it is one word people are making elite. This is how the Germanys killed the jews, this is how white supremacy has taken root in the protestant churches, the idea of God's elect focused on the flesh, not on the work of the Cross.

Don't take my word for it look at all those posts so far how many have even mentioned Jesus in them? elect, elect, elect, bla bla blah
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Some Gentiles were Elect, People of every nation were elect. Election is unconditional so its not based upon ethnicity.
 
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brightfame52

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Jackson123 said:
If you mention faith as requirement of salvation why you say unconditional?

You contradict yourself
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You must not of read the context of when I mentioned faith, please read the op carefully.
 
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brightfame52

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Nehemiah6 said:
It is crystal clear only to those influenced by Reformed Theology. For all other Christians (the majority) election is never for salvation (justification), but definitely for glorification. The very fact that God commands ALL MEN (all people) everywhere to repent, and desires the salvation of all, refutes this Calvinistic nonsense.
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To those influenced by the Spirit of God and scripture.
 
CS1

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brightfame52 said:
Some Gentiles were Elect, People of every nation were elect. The election is unconditional so its not based upon ethnicity.
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People from every nation who placed their trust in Christ. "Election" is not selection. salvation is not to some but to all.
 
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Outside of scripture this is one of my favourite quotes.

"What God requires of us he himself works in us, or it is not done. He that commands faith, holiness, and love, creates them by the power of his grace..." - Matthew Henry.



Even faith is a gift.. Amen as none of us here would have the spiritual eyes to believe.
 
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phil36 said:
Outside of scripture this is one of my favourite quotes.

"What God requires of us he himself works in us, or it is not done. He that commands faith, holiness, and love, creates them by the power of his grace..." - Matthew Henry.



Even faith is a gift.. Amen as none of us here would have the spiritual eyes to believe.
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outside of scripture?
 
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phil36

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Are you asking, what do I mean by saying outside of scripture?
 
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Jackson123

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brightfame52 said:
I believe the saved are those who are elected by Grace, minus the faith, but Faith being the consequent of election by grace.
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What do you mean faith as consequence of grace what verse say that.

Jesus say
John 3
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Whoever believe save
save is consequent of grace and believe you reverse friend
 
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CS1

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Jackson123 said:
What do you mean faith as consequence of grace what verse say that.

Jesus say
John 3
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Whoever believe save
Do save is consequent of grace and believe you reverse friend
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GRACE TROUGH FAITH
 
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