Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Rom 10:9; John 3:16; Acts 16:30-31; more.
You interpret "come unto God by him" as a Calvinist, I do not.
No, Jesus Christ is absolutely the Savior.
Sure they can.
Anyone can choose to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I have heard those Calvinist interpretaitons before. I don't agree.
Joke?
God won't save people against their will.
You interpret "come unto God by him" as a Calvinist, I do not.
No, Jesus Christ is absolutely the Savior.
Sure they can.
Anyone can choose to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I have heard those Calvinist interpretaitons before. I don't agree.
Joke?
God won't save people against their will.
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Peter didn't get that memo.
Acts 2:
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Thank you sweet Rosemary, and good day 
The mother of my best friend all through high school suggested that I read the gospel of John three times, and I did that as a non-believer, but mostly before coming to believe, I was not keen on reading Scripture at all. I also had Christian friends and I remember reading things like Ephesians with them and discussing it, but I have no recollection of how much if any I understood of it at that time. I only did that because we were friends, and I enjoyed their company and just hanging out with them; they really were lovely people, and of course they were interested in the salvation of my soul. One such friend gave me a study Bible on the occasion of my 42nd birthday. When I was baptized almost eight years later, she instructed the pastor to hold me down a long time because I had so many sins to wash away. LOL. My process was fairlry long, and some points really stand out to me. Even so, after what I believe was the circumcision of my heart, and I started going to church more regularly, I was invited to an Alpha Course through yet another Christian friend whom I knew in AA. It was while going through that, in realizing that the course was designed to convince people of the Truth of God's Word, that I also realized I needed no more convincing. There was no aha moment of Oh, I get it now, just, oh, I have stopped fighting God, I am ready to surrender. God had done much work in me already. Praise the Lord, for He is good, His love endures forever. Not for nothing do I express my gratitude for His patience and loving kindness toward me, in allowing me to survive the stupidity of my youth.
The mother of my best friend all through high school suggested that I read the gospel of John three times, and I did that as a non-believer, but mostly before coming to believe, I was not keen on reading Scripture at all. I also had Christian friends and I remember reading things like Ephesians with them and discussing it, but I have no recollection of how much if any I understood of it at that time. I only did that because we were friends, and I enjoyed their company and just hanging out with them; they really were lovely people, and of course they were interested in the salvation of my soul. One such friend gave me a study Bible on the occasion of my 42nd birthday. When I was baptized almost eight years later, she instructed the pastor to hold me down a long time because I had so many sins to wash away. LOL. My process was fairlry long, and some points really stand out to me. Even so, after what I believe was the circumcision of my heart, and I started going to church more regularly, I was invited to an Alpha Course through yet another Christian friend whom I knew in AA. It was while going through that, in realizing that the course was designed to convince people of the Truth of God's Word, that I also realized I needed no more convincing. There was no aha moment of Oh, I get it now, just, oh, I have stopped fighting God, I am ready to surrender. God had done much work in me already. Praise the Lord, for He is good, His love endures forever. Not for nothing do I express my gratitude for His patience and loving kindness toward me, in allowing me to survive the stupidity of my youth.
God knew you would come to Him , and He works through people...Them people you hung with sounds like they were gifts from God even though you did not know at the time...He did not give up on you , and here we are , sisters in Christ...Sent with love...xox...
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Amen, sister!!!
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You stopped reading Romans too soon. In order to believe, God must first renew the heart, from/by that, confession is made.
God only gives a new heart to those born-again.
[Rom 10:10 KJV] 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
True belief only comes from becoming born-again. For Paul to have said that to them, they had already been born-again.
As newly saved people, they were teaching/informing them regarding the doctrine of the salvation, had they not been born-again, they would be unable to truly believe on Christ - but believe they did.
The "shalt be saved" is the final salvation on the last day.
[Act 16:31 KJV] 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
[Act 16:34 KJV] 34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Huh? Come to God by Him, means, well, it means come to God by Him. There just is no other way to interpret it.
Not according to your stated beliefs. He can't be the Saviour and yet not be the one who saves in all ways.
The verses are clear regarding who the "all" is. Your concurrence with that is not needed to make it so.
[1Ti 2:4 KJV] 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
See Gal 5:22 above. Faith only comes from being born again by the Holy Spirit. Any faith produced by a person and
not given by God, is only a faith in themselves and not in Christ.
God saves whomever He had chosen to salvation regardless of whether the doing is out of their will or with no will of theirs at all. He is God and as such it is His divine prerogative, right, and good pleasure to save whomever He has chosen whenever He wants,
and to not save those whom He has not chosen. It is all of God and nothing of ourselves. God informs us that it was His intention to execute His prerogative in that regard which He has done. For an example/demonstration of that, look at the conversion of Saul of Tarsus.
[Rom 9:18 KJV] 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
God only gives a new heart to those born-again.
[Rom 10:10 KJV] 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
True belief only comes from becoming born-again. For Paul to have said that to them, they had already been born-again.
As newly saved people, they were teaching/informing them regarding the doctrine of the salvation, had they not been born-again, they would be unable to truly believe on Christ - but believe they did.
The "shalt be saved" is the final salvation on the last day.
[Act 16:31 KJV] 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
[Act 16:34 KJV] 34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Huh? Come to God by Him, means, well, it means come to God by Him. There just is no other way to interpret it.
Not according to your stated beliefs. He can't be the Saviour and yet not be the one who saves in all ways.
The verses are clear regarding who the "all" is. Your concurrence with that is not needed to make it so.
[1Ti 2:4 KJV] 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
See Gal 5:22 above. Faith only comes from being born again by the Holy Spirit. Any faith produced by a person and
not given by God, is only a faith in themselves and not in Christ.
God saves whomever He had chosen to salvation regardless of whether the doing is out of their will or with no will of theirs at all. He is God and as such it is His divine prerogative, right, and good pleasure to save whomever He has chosen whenever He wants,
and to not save those whom He has not chosen. It is all of God and nothing of ourselves. God informs us that it was His intention to execute His prerogative in that regard which He has done. For an example/demonstration of that, look at the conversion of Saul of Tarsus.
[Rom 9:18 KJV] 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
Roger, if you want to be a Calvinist, be a Calvinist. You have the free-will choice to do so.
I understand (sort of) where that theology comes from, and I am familiar with the verses Calvinists use to support their position. I submit that they can, and should, be understood from a free-will perspective, as there are more scriptures supporting free-will than there are Calvinism.
God bless.
I understand (sort of) where that theology comes from, and I am familiar with the verses Calvinists use to support their position. I submit that they can, and should, be understood from a free-will perspective, as there are more scriptures supporting free-will than there are Calvinism.
God bless.
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IOW, you think that scripture is meaningless.
You think Peter didn't know what he was talking about when the people asked him "What shall we do?" and his answer was to "repent." You think Peter told them something that was impossible for them to do.
"I don't care what the Bible says, man can't repent or believe until he has been born again."
..stick to your guns, bf52.
You think Peter didn't know what he was talking about when the people asked him "What shall we do?" and his answer was to "repent." You think Peter told them something that was impossible for them to do.
"I don't care what the Bible says, man can't repent or believe until he has been born again."
..stick to your guns, bf52.
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I believe that he means, the natural man, before he has been born again, cannot repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws, that he cannot discern, and thinks them to be foolishness.
Only the born again person would repent of breaking one of God's laws. The born again person's heart had been changed from a heart of stone to a fleshy heart, that could be pricked to feel guilt, in their regeneration.
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Acts 2:37-38 - If a person's heart can be pricked to feel guilt, then he has already been born again. During the rebirth God exchanges the natural man's heart of stone to a new fleshy heart that can be pricked to feel guilt. (Ezk 36:26).
Notice the difference in the response of the heart of flesh, when they heard of this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter, and the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what must we do? and the heart of stone in Acts 7:54, when these people with the heart of stone heard Stephen preach the same sermon that Peter preached, they were cut to the heart, and gnashed on him with their teeth.