Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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I only ask because truly this idea that nothing at all is required of us baffles me.
As does the idea that those with no faith are saved already.
I have asked a couple of questions a few times to see if this was your experience,
that you did nothing, made no choice, but those questions go unanswered.
If that was your experience, then I could understand why you hold to this view.
As does the idea that those with no faith are saved already.
I have asked a couple of questions a few times to see if this was your experience,
that you did nothing, made no choice, but those questions go unanswered.
If that was your experience, then I could understand why you hold to this view.
If I remember correctly, I thought I had answered you but maybe not or maybe not well enough.
The answer is that I did nothing. I might have not immediately realized at the time what was
happening, but in retrospect, I believe that my understanding was being drawn to Christ.
Fortunately, our understanding is not what make us born-again - Christ does at a time of His choosing - our
understanding catches up with that through-out the remainder of our lives.
Look at Saul/Paul as an example - not that I am comparing myself to him in any way but only to illustrate my point.
The last thing Saul wanted at that time was Christ - just the opposite if fact -
it was his intention to imprison and torture Christians - but look how he changed
from the one moment to the next. He did nothing to bring it about - he was only the recipient of it.
The answer is that I did nothing. I might have not immediately realized at the time what was
happening, but in retrospect, I believe that my understanding was being drawn to Christ.
Fortunately, our understanding is not what make us born-again - Christ does at a time of His choosing - our
understanding catches up with that through-out the remainder of our lives.
Look at Saul/Paul as an example - not that I am comparing myself to him in any way but only to illustrate my point.
The last thing Saul wanted at that time was Christ - just the opposite if fact -
it was his intention to imprison and torture Christians - but look how he changed
from the one moment to the next. He did nothing to bring it about - he was only the recipient of it.
Nope. The faith mentioned in James was Christ's faith not ours. He alone perfectly demonstrated both faith AND works.
In fact, symbolically, He was the one speaking when He said:
[Jas 2:18 KJV] 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Christ's works, Christ's faith - His faith had within it also works and righteousness, otherwise, it would be a dead faith.
In fact, symbolically, He was the one speaking when He said:
[Jas 2:18 KJV] 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Christ's works, Christ's faith - His faith had within it also works and righteousness, otherwise, it would be a dead faith.
There is some truth to this, for those who have been programmed into certain belief system, the mind is very susceptible to indoctrination by repetition
When logic and reason have been damaged by this programming it does take much prayer and a move of God to break the chains that bind.
When logic and reason have been damaged by this programming it does take much prayer and a move of God to break the chains that bind.
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The ability to respond does not originate with us, but we do respond, one way or another, yes? Yes 
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