Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Well, this shows that you simply have a very limited ability to discern what's being said.
You called me "controversial" and I said "sure". Then "so what". Then I asked what your point was.
And you have the audacity to think and claim that I am comparing myself to Jesus.
If you did have any discernment, you would have seen that my point was about the truth. The Bible is our Source of truth.
The Bible is controversial. I pointed out that truth is controversial.
But the point sailed right over your head.
You're the one with all the charges and claims against others (me).
So why don't you prove your own silly charges and claims?
I prove my points by quoting verses that say what I believe. Unlike yourself.
You called me "controversial" and I said "sure". Then "so what". Then I asked what your point was.
And you have the audacity to think and claim that I am comparing myself to Jesus.
If you did have any discernment, you would have seen that my point was about the truth. The Bible is our Source of truth.
The Bible is controversial. I pointed out that truth is controversial.
But the point sailed right over your head.
You're the one with all the charges and claims against others (me).
So why don't you prove your own silly charges and claims?
I prove my points by quoting verses that say what I believe. Unlike yourself.
FreeGrace2 said:
save" means to deliver or rescue from danger/etc in its basic meaning.
I said a lot more than you are quoting here.
Why do you ignore the 3 tenses of salvation? Did I catch you off guard or something?
save" means to deliver or rescue from danger/etc in its basic meaning.
I said a lot more than you are quoting here.
Why do you ignore the 3 tenses of salvation? Did I catch you off guard or something?
FreeGrace2 said:
Who says one's trust in Christ is imperfect? You got a verse for that comment? No, you don't. All you have are opinions.
This is just warped Calvinism.
Belief is not "produced". It's not a production. It's trust. Maybe you just don't understand that either.
Who says one's trust in Christ is imperfect? You got a verse for that comment? No, you don't. All you have are opinions.
This is just warped Calvinism.
Belief is not "produced". It's not a production. It's trust. Maybe you just don't understand that either.
No, it doesn't. Those who believe are saved, but as with everything pertaining to salvation, it must be from the Savior, not ourselves.
You forgot to include 1 Cor 1:30:
[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
You forgot to include 1 Cor 1:30:
[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
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[1Pe 1:19-21 KJV]
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
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"The clearest verse on God's drawing to salvation is John 6:44 where Jesus declares that "no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.". The Greek word translated "draw" is helkuo, which means "to drag" (literally or figuratively). Clearly, this drawing is a one-sided affair."
What does it mean that God draws us to salvation ...
John 6:63 The Spirit is the one who gives life; human nature is of no help![dc] The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.[dd] 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had already known from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)[de] 65 So Jesus added,[df] “Because of this I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has allowed him to come.”[dg]
What does it mean that God draws us to salvation ...
John 6:63 The Spirit is the one who gives life; human nature is of no help![dc] The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.[dd] 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had already known from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)[de] 65 So Jesus added,[df] “Because of this I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has allowed him to come.”[dg]
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You've very likely have been condemned to an eternity on ignore, yes, as I suspect is also my certain fate 
FG2 must've mistaken your post to be among the barrage directed at him by herself the lofty considering he was at that time presently engaged in a tag team effort, I might say assault even and, up to that point, managing quite neatly!
FG2 must've mistaken your post to be among the barrage directed at him by herself the lofty considering he was at that time presently engaged in a tag team effort, I might say assault even and, up to that point, managing quite neatly! -
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Whatever. According to you it is our trust then and not faith, and that's what you think important. Regardless, it is imperfect. Christ's faith was/is perfect and therefore, the only faith capable of, qualified to give righteousness to us. It is because of His faith(fulness) that our faith/trust/righteousness can be received as gifts. They cannot be earned by us through our faith. Someone however did have to earn them and that was Christ. He earned them because His faith was as perfect as the righteousness it brings is perfect. If it is to be from or by us, than it would be imperfect and unequal to what we receive. Since Christ earned it, He then was free to impart it along with righteousness, to whomever He chose, which is exactly what He did.
[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[1Pe 1:19-21 KJV]
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[Rom 9:30 KJV]
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[1Pe 1:19-21 KJV]
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[Rom 9:30 KJV]
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
You claimed "Faith is a work" – Post #1,044
Scripture clearly states faith is not a work ... but, hey, you want to claim "faith is a work" that is on you.
Also check out Hebrews 11:6
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him [God]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Scripture clearly states faith is not a work ... but, hey, you want to claim "faith is a work" that is on you.
Also check out Hebrews 11:6
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him [God]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Here's another misrepresentation from Post #1,044 ...
you claim "through our Lord Jesus Christ" refers to "Christ's faithfulness".
However, what the verse states is:
we are justified by faith
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 5:1 states we have peace with God through the Lord Jesus Christ
Recall what the Lord Jesus Christ told His disciples in the garden of Gethsemane just before His crucifixion ...
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
That is the peace we have from the Lord Jesus Christ ... the peace that passes all understanding
Philippians 4:
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
you claim "through our Lord Jesus Christ" refers to "Christ's faithfulness".
However, what the verse states is:
we are justified by faith
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 5:1 states we have peace with God through the Lord Jesus Christ
Recall what the Lord Jesus Christ told His disciples in the garden of Gethsemane just before His crucifixion ...
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
That is the peace we have from the Lord Jesus Christ ... the peace that passes all understanding
Philippians 4:
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
[Jas 2:18, 20, 26 KJV]
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ...
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? ...
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
so if we're going to claim that faith is of us, we'd better have the works to go with it.
But we can't be saved by our works no matter how small they are - we are only saved by Christ - He is the Savior
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ...
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? ...
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
so if we're going to claim that faith is of us, we'd better have the works to go with it.
But we can't be saved by our works no matter how small they are - we are only saved by Christ - He is the Savior
[Rom 5:1 KJV] 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Read 5:1 again closely. It doesn't say "we have peace with God through our faith", which is what it would have to
say for your interpretation to be correct. Instead, it says that "we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ", so the faith must be of the Lord Jesus Christ, not of ourselves.
Read 5:1 again closely. It doesn't say "we have peace with God through our faith", which is what it would have to
say for your interpretation to be correct. Instead, it says that "we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ", so the faith must be of the Lord Jesus Christ, not of ourselves.
9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
The Tares
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
The Tares Explained
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38the field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matt 15:24 He, answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of Israel.
Notice the weeping and gnashing of teeth. As sad as it is there be people who think they are saved and are not and at harvest reality will set in with such anguish. There are two seeds upon this earth. The Son of mans and the wicked one. By their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says lord will be saved. Only those who know God is real and Believe in their heart.
So yes God has known who His Elect are before the earth was created. As Romans 9 says a vessel for His glory and one for destruction. This is why Paul says," I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
The Tares
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
The Tares Explained
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38the field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matt 15:24 He, answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of Israel.
Notice the weeping and gnashing of teeth. As sad as it is there be people who think they are saved and are not and at harvest reality will set in with such anguish. There are two seeds upon this earth. The Son of mans and the wicked one. By their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says lord will be saved. Only those who know God is real and Believe in their heart.
So yes God has known who His Elect are before the earth was created. As Romans 9 says a vessel for His glory and one for destruction. This is why Paul says," I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
FreeGrace2 said:
The Bible teaches quite clearly that salvation is based on man trusting in what Jesus did for him and gives eternal life to those who do trust Him.
1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
I said nothing different. Apparently you are having difficulties with comprehension.
The real question here is why do you think that "believing from the heart" doesn't save when Rom 10:9 says it does?
Nope, didn't forget it at all. But how does this verse get YOU off the hook from 1 Cor 1:21?
It doesn't.
The Bible teaches quite clearly that salvation is based on man trusting in what Jesus did for him and gives eternal life to those who do trust Him.
1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
I said nothing different. Apparently you are having difficulties with comprehension.
The real question here is why do you think that "believing from the heart" doesn't save when Rom 10:9 says it does?
Nope, didn't forget it at all. But how does this verse get YOU off the hook from 1 Cor 1:21?
It doesn't.