Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

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GraceAndTruth

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In Matt 7:23 he says "I never knew you" and that would, to me, mean that they were not believers. Those in John 6:39 were all believers and none of them will ever perish (go to hell) because he will raise all of them up at the last day. So, these in 2 Pet 3:9 who had like precious faith could lose their fellowship with God (perish) but not lose their life in hell.
in HIS name, etc they obviously had some kind belief.

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’\

They might have know ABOUT Him and even "accepted Him, but they had not been elected to salvation. It is not important that people say they know Jesus (or think they do) what is important is that Jesus knows them. Knew His elect before the foundation of the world. The bible never says we accept Christ but it does say that Christ accepts us. (in context speaking TO His elect)
 

ForestGreenCook

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in HIS name, etc they obviously had some kind belief.

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’\

They might have know ABOUT Him and even "accepted Him, but they had not been elected to salvation. It is not important that people say they know Jesus (or think they do) what is important is that Jesus knows them. Knew His elect before the foundation of the world. The bible never says we accept Christ but it does say that Christ accepts us. (in context speaking TO His elect)
But if they had not been regenerated to discern spiritual things, how could they have accepted him. I think that the scriptures do affirm that after we have been regenerated, we do accept Jesus as our redeemer. Even though it is true that he first loved us before we loved him. I think that we may be on the same tract and are trying to split hairs. I believe that some that are not the elect will claim to believe certain things but for their own personal gain.
 

John146

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The effectiveness of Christ's blood on the cross for the elect flows backwards to the first elect man as well as forward to the last elect man. All mankind were captives at one time.
So, you have no explanation of Abraham's bosom and Ephesians 4?

How can Satan have any understanding of God's word?
 

ForestGreenCook

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So, you have no explanation of Abraham's bosom and Ephesians 4?

How can Satan have any understanding of God's word?
I have no explanation for Abraham's bosom without further research. Do you have an explanation? What specifically are you inquiring about Ephesians 4? Satan was an angel.
 

John146

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I have no explanation for Abraham's bosom without further research. Do you have an explanation? What specifically are you inquiring about Ephesians 4? Satan was an angel.
The OT saints upon death went to Abraham's bosom which was located in the heart of the earth. It was a safe place to abide until Christ could set them free after the resurrection. They didn't deserve hell, but could not enter into heaven.

Yes, Satan was an angel, yet even after his fall he could discern spiritual things God had said unto him. How? Does Satan have the Holy Spirit?
 

ForestGreenCook

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The OT saints upon death went to Abraham's bosom which was located in the heart of the earth. It was a safe place to abide until Christ could set them free after the resurrection. They didn't deserve hell, but could not enter into heaven.

Yes, Satan was an angel, yet even after his fall he could discern spiritual things God had said unto him. How? Does Satan have the Holy Spirit?
No, neither do the angels that are in heaven.