Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

[GraceAndTruth]

In Matt 7:23 he says "I never knew you" and that would, to me, mean that they were not believers. Those in John 6:39 were all believers and none of them will ever perish (go to hell) because he will raise all of them up at the last day. So, these in 2 Pet 3:9 who had like precious faith could lose their fellowship with God (perish) but not lose their life in hell.

in HIS name, etc they obviously had some kind belief.

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’\

They might have know ABOUT Him and even "accepted Him, but they had not been elected to salvation. It is not important that people say they know Jesus (or think they do) what is important is that Jesus knows them. Knew His elect before the foundation of the world. The bible never says we accept Christ but it does say that Christ accepts us. (in context speaking TO His elect)

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The effectiveness of Christ's blood on the cross for the elect flows backwards to the first elect man as well as forward to the last elect man. All mankind were captives at one time.

agreed

 

[ForestGreenCook]

in HIS name, etc they obviously had some kind belief.

Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’\

They might have know ABOUT Him and even "accepted Him, but they had not been elected to salvation. It is not important that people say they know Jesus (or think they do) what is important is that Jesus knows them. Knew His elect before the foundation of the world. The bible never says we accept Christ but it does say that Christ accepts us. (in context speaking TO His elect)

But if they had not been regenerated to discern spiritual things, how could they have accepted him. I think that the scriptures do affirm that after we have been regenerated, we do accept Jesus as our redeemer. Even though it is true that he first loved us before we loved him. I think that we may be on the same tract and are trying to split hairs. I believe that some that are not the elect will claim to believe certain things but for their own personal gain.

 

[John146]

The effectiveness of Christ's blood on the cross for the elect flows backwards to the first elect man as well as forward to the last elect man. All mankind were captives at one time.

So, you have no explanation of Abraham's bosom and Ephesians 4?

How can Satan have any understanding of God's word?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

So, you have no explanation of Abraham's bosom and Ephesians 4?

How can Satan have any understanding of God's word?

I have no explanation for Abraham's bosom without further research. Do you have an explanation? What specifically are you inquiring about Ephesians 4? Satan was an angel.

 

[John146]

I have no explanation for Abraham's bosom without further research. Do you have an explanation? What specifically are you inquiring about Ephesians 4? Satan was an angel.

The OT saints upon death went to Abraham's bosom which was located in the heart of the earth. It was a safe place to abide until Christ could set them free after the resurrection. They didn't deserve hell, but could not enter into heaven.

Yes, Satan was an angel, yet even after his fall he could discern spiritual things God had said unto him. How? Does Satan have the Holy Spirit?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The OT saints upon death went to Abraham's bosom which was located in the heart of the earth. It was a safe place to abide until Christ could set them free after the resurrection. They didn't deserve hell, but could not enter into heaven.

Yes, Satan was an angel, yet even after his fall he could discern spiritual things God had said unto him. How? Does Satan have the Holy Spirit?

No, neither do the angels that are in heaven.

 

[allsaved]

1 Timothy 2:3-4


3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

 

[SophieT]

1 Timothy 2:3-4


3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

looks like you resurrected a tired old thread here

are you promoting Universalism?

hint: v. 3 is saying something is good and pleases God, but what would that be?

context?

 

[allsaved]

Yes, I bemieve that God's purpose and plan is to save all people. . My book,"Without Doubt is scheduled to be released by Christian Faith Publishing near the end of next month.

 

[allsaved]

Yes, I bemieve that God's purpose and plan is to save all people. . My book,"Without Doubt is scheduled to be released by Christian Faith Publishing near the end of next month.

Yes, I bemieve that God's purpose and plan is to save all people. . My book,"Without Doubt is scheduled to be released by Christian Faith Publishing near the end of next month.

I should have said throuh Jesus Christ.

 

[Dino246]

Yes, I bemieve that God's purpose and plan is to save all people. . My book,"Without Doubt is scheduled to be released by Christian Faith Publishing near the end of next month.

I should have said throuh Jesus Christ.

I'm sure these are simply keying errors, which we all make, but I hope your book is edited better.

 

[allsaved]

I'm sure these are simply keying errors, which we all make, but I hope your book is edited better.

I'm sure these are simply keying errors, which we all make, but I hope your book is edited better.

I'm sure these are simply keying errors, which we all make, but I hope your book is edited better.

I can only be grateful He loves to show mercy, He loves to forgive. He loves the sarcastic too, Be grateful!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So did you just wake up one day and decide that you were elect? Did you actually have a conversion experience or simply arrive at an intellectual conclusion that you are elect and thereby saved?

Did you ever acknowledge your sin before the Lord and ask Him to for give you for your sin?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

most likely he’s heard the false teaching that taught that we’re just the elect and what the word says isn’t important because of the “revolutionary teachings “ that teach us contrary beliefs tHan what accepting scripture and how it’s well explained in scripture does

often if we see a verse then all the sudden the rest of the Bible has it wrong and the verse plucked from context has it right

in other words if this is true

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this warning in the same letter to the same people can’t possibly be true

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬