Does man have a libertarian free will?

[Roughsoul1991]

But faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit = God must save you before you can believe.

Again pistis and pisteuo. One is a gift and the other of human response to the pursuit of the Spirit.

So yes still conditional. This isnt universalism or restrictive. But open to all who believe.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Apparently God had mercy on the children of the Exodus...He didn't judge them for the sins of their parents...because they themselves did not have knowledge between good and evil yet because they were children. Scripture also says you are judged according to what you know and understand. James 5:17 to him that knows to do good and doeth it not to him it is a sin.

Deut. 1:39
39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Ah nice forgot about those.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Apparently God had mercy on the children of the Exodus...He didn't judge them for the sins of their parents...because they themselves did not have knowledge between good and evil yet because they were children. Scripture also says you are judged according to what you know and understand. James 5:17 to him that knows to do good and doeth it not to him it is a sin.

Deut. 1:39
39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Also just to clarify that is James 4:17

 

[Dave-L]

Again pistis and pisteuo. One is a gift and the other of human response to the pursuit of the Spirit.

So yes still conditional. This isnt universalism or restrictive. But open to all who believe.

God must save a person before they can believe.

 

[1ofthem]

Also just to clarify that is James 4:17

I must've hit 5 instead of 4....Thanks for the clarification and correction.

 

[Dave-L]

Apparently God had mercy on the children of the Exodus...He didn't judge them for the sins of their parents...because they themselves did not have knowledge between good and evil yet because they were children. Scripture also says you are judged according to what you know and understand. James 5:17 to him that knows to do good and doeth it not to him it is a sin.

Deut. 1:39
39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Here's why people know of their sins apart from the TCs. You know how you want to be treated. But you don't treat others that way.

 

[Dave-L]

Romans 8:29 English Standard Version (ESV)
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Not sure how this limits free will?

30.100 προβλέπομαιb; προγινώσκωb: to choose or select in advance of some other event—‘to choose beforehand, to select in advance.’
προβλέπομαιb: τοῦ θεοῦ περὶ ἡμῶν κρεῖττόν τι προβλεψαμένου ‘because God had chosen ahead of time an even better plan for us’ He 11:40. It is also possible to understand προβλέπομαι in He 11:40 as meaning ‘to decide in advance’ (compare the meanings in 30.84) or ‘to provide for’ (35.35).


Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 362). New York: United Bible Societies.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

30.100 προβλέπομαιb; προγινώσκωb: to choose or select in advance of some other event—‘to choose beforehand, to select in advance.’
προβλέπομαιb: τοῦ θεοῦ περὶ ἡμῶν κρεῖττόν τι προβλεψαμένου ‘because God had chosen ahead of time an even better plan for us’ He 11:40. It is also possible to understand προβλέπομαι in He 11:40 as meaning ‘to decide in advance’ (compare the meanings in 30.84) or ‘to provide for’ (35.35).


Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 362). New York: United Bible Societies.

To provide for in advance God chose or predestined a way for salvation. This includes the elect out of the foreknowledge of God. God can see whose names are left in the book of life at the end even before the beginning.

None of this restricts free will. God didn't choose without foreknowledge.

Foreknowledge is key.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

 

[Washed]

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From your sig: “I do not think it is worthwhile for me to address incoherent or rude individuals.”

...think about your hypocrisy.

 

[Dave-L]

To provide for in advance God chose or predestined a way for salvation. This includes the elect out of the foreknowledge of God. God can see whose names are left in the book of life at the end even before the beginning.

None of this restricts free will. God didn't choose without foreknowledge.

Foreknowledge is key.

Sin prevents free will. Are you saying people are not bound by sin?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

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Funny since most of these pages are with your 30 paragraphs posts.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Sin prevents free will. Are you saying people are not bound by sin?

Where does scripture say sin prevents free will?

 

[Dave-L]

Where does scripture say sin prevents free will?

We are said to be slaves of sin (Satan). And the truth makes us free.

 

[Dave-L]

Funny since most of these pages are with your 30 paragraphs posts.

Sound's as though you are at a dead end?

 

[1ofthem]

We are said to be slaves of sin (Satan). And the truth makes us free.

Jesus died to set us free...He defeated death, hell and the grave and broke those chains of sin....That whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Sound's as though you are at a dead end?

Why

 

[Dave-L]

Why

No progress.

 

[Dave-L]

Jesus died to set us free...He defeated death, hell and the grave and broke those chains of sin....That whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

But you cannot believe in him unless God first saves you.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Funny since most of these pages are with your 30 paragraphs posts.

I have no clue what you are saying.



My point is that the label "free willer" is appropriate because that is the favorite phrase of free willers.