Does satan hide The Way to the Tree of Life? Do Cherubim hide the Tree itself?

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pittsburghjoe said:
So we become complete in this fallen reality because of what He did, but don't become one with God until the end. When you say "complete", I assume you mean quickened ..renewed spirit. A righteous connection to God.
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We have Christ indwelling. We die to the old. We have everything we are ever going to get in Christ. I did a study about this once. The expression "in Christ" (or in Him, meaning Christ) is in the word at least 50 times. I quit counting after that.

What we lack is spiritual knowledge of who we are in Christ and who He is in us. We need our minds renewed. We need to be set free from the proud and rebellious independence that hinders our walk with Lord Jesus. We are complete in Christ, but we need that to be worked out in our lives.

Watchman Nee put it something like this. God is not a chemist, dispensing remedies for various spiritual ailments. God will not give us a dose of humility to overcome pride, for example. God has one "cure" for every human condition. That is the Lord Jesus.

He's all we need, as the old song says.
 
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If Adam and Eve had eaten from the Tree of Life after they fell, they would have been unable to be saved. They would have become like Satan, immortal and eternally evil. Through the cross, the old nature dies and through the resurrection, we receive a new, born again spirit that is immortal but good. God is entirely good and all wise. He cut off the way to the tree of Life for the best of reasons.
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This view completely defies the entire Purpose of the Bible.
 
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I think we become real to God when we become complete. This fallen reality is an illusion.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
I think we become real to God when we become complete. This fallen reality is an illusion.
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Now I think I remember . . . you're deep into the metaphysical side of things. I'd just try to figure out what the Mysterious Plan of God is . . . first.
 
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Now I think I remember . . . you're deep into the metaphysical side of things. I'd just try to figure out what the Mysterious Plan of God is . . . first.
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It's to get as many people compatible with Him as possible.
 
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One tree points to the Curse that includes the Sinful Nature, and the alternate tree, the Tree of Life, is the remedy for that Curse.
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Have you ever wondered if the tree of knowledge you call the curse was some how poisened by satan ?
And maybe that was why God gave the commandment to adam and eve not eat from it because he knew satan had poisened it.
There is signs in the Garden of poiseneing, such as satan taking up the the resemblence of a poisnesss snake and then poisening eves mind.
What happened still leaves some mystery and i wondered if when they ate from the tree of knowledge did they become poisened in there blood and mind. Did it go further where by after there poisenng satan and his army could easily possess adam and eve and there off spring which includes people of today. I wonder if that was the sinful nature that was passesd down. Not so much that eve disobeyed but poisen had entered there blood line from a tree that had been corrupted by satan ?
 
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de-emerald said:
Have you ever wondered if the tree of knowledge you call the curse was some how poisened by satan ?
And maybe that was why God gave the commandment to adam and eve not eat from it because he knew satan had poisened it.
There is signs in the Garden of poiseneing, such as satan taking up the the resemblence of a poisnesss snake and then poisening eves mind.
What happened still leaves some mystery and i wondered if when they ate from the tree of knowledge did they become poisened in there blood and mind. Did it go further where by after there poisenng satan and his army could easily possess adam and eve and there off spring which includes people of today. I wonder if that was the sinful nature that was passesd down. Not so much that eve disobeyed but poisen had entered there blood line from a tree that had been corrupted by satan ?
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The tree of knowledge of good and evil is part of the creation which God declared good, but it was not good for man.

Man is not created for evil or the knowledge but for good only.
 
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de-emerald said:
Have you ever wondered if the tree of knowledge you call the curse was some how poisened by satan ?
And maybe that was why God gave the commandment to adam and eve not eat from it because he knew satan had poisened it.
There is signs in the Garden of poiseneing, such as satan taking up the the resemblence of a poisnesss snake and then poisening eves mind.
What happened still leaves some mystery and i wondered if when they ate from the tree of knowledge did they become poisened in there blood and mind. Did it go further where by after there poisenng satan and his army could easily possess adam and eve and there off spring which includes people of today. I wonder if that was the sinful nature that was passesd down. Not so much that eve disobeyed but poisen had entered there blood line from a tree that had been corrupted by satan ?
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I suspect DMT was in the forbidden fruit.
 
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Pi is a perfect circle, compatible, complete, righteous, one with God, (spiritual circumcision)

Phi is a downward spiral, corrupt, incomplete, sin, partial separation from God

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de-emerald said:
Have you ever wondered if the tree of knowledge you call the curse was some how poisened by satan ?
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Well, I never said that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was a Curse itself, rather, Adam and Eve disobeyed by eating of this tree. Disobedience is the problem . . . not the Tree. We are supposed to pick up on the fact that God wants obedience. Truly, this thread is way, waaaay over thinking these ideas about the Trees.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
I suspect DMT was in the forbidden fruit.
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Come on now you guys. This isn't about DMT, this is about the Sinful Nature. It isn't poison that causes us to act as we do or have (prior to Transformation), it is the Sinful Nature. To understand this, stop speculating and start reading the Bible. Romans chapter 5 tells us about this Curse and its effect upon humanity. Seriously . . . we need to stop going down these crazy avenues of metaphysical thought. It isn't good and is only further corrupting the Holy Word of God.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
One tree points to the Curse that includes the Sinful Nature, and the alternate tree, the Tree of Life, is the remedy for that Curse.

When a person eats from the Tree of Life, the below description of what happens to them is vividly described. If you're not a fan of the NLT, great . . . the KJV is unbelievable too (they're saying the same things). Check it out . . .

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."
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Timothy, you were key to this answer on quora

(27) Joseph James Lazar's answer to Does the union with Christ cause us to become compatible with God and everlasting life? - Quora
 
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Timothy, you were key to this answer on quora
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PBJ - I beg you to change your focus of thinking and place it solely on Colossians 2:9-15. Take a break from all this non-sense at the forum, and focus on the Core Doctrine of the Bible . . . the Doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision; the Doctrine of Circumcised Hearts . . . whatever we want to call it. The Bible centers around this Spiritual Purification from Christ. To study anything BEFORE the Doctrine of Circumcision is a near guarantee that what you believe will be wrong. To understand the Bible, we MUST understand the Circumcision of Christ. Anything else is illusory.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
PBJ - I beg you to change your focus of thinking and place it solely on Colossians 2:9-15. Take a break from all this non-sense at the forum, and focus on the Core Doctrine of the Bible . . . the Doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision; the Doctrine of Circumcised Hearts . . . whatever we want to call it. The Bible centers around this Spiritual Purification from Christ. To study anything BEFORE the Doctrine of Circumcision is a near guarantee that what you believe will be wrong. To understand the Bible, we MUST understand the Circumcision of Christ. Anything else is illusory.
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I'm translating it in a way the public can understand.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
I'm translating it in a way the public can understand.
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It seems like it is difficult to understand, but that is because there is no more hidden doctrine (hidden by God Himself) than that of Circumcised Hearts. God only allows His Remnant to understand this text-set. If you are coming alive to it . . . consider yourself to be a part of the Holy Rement . . . or at least you're getting close.

My God, PBJ . . . KEEP GOING! Do not stop in attempting to understand these Seven Perfect Verses and how they interact with the Bible as a whole. Please . . . do not stop with this investigation! It will change your entire life.
 
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Well, I never said that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was a Curse itself, rather, Adam and Eve disobeyed by eating of this tree. Disobedience is the problem . . . not the Tree. We are supposed to pick up on the fact that God wants obedience. Truly, this thread is way, waaaay over thinking these ideas about the Trees.
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I came across a study That might explain why satan was in the Garden. The study is of Ezekiel 28 that points towards satan once being a guardian cherub, one of the cherubim, By the looks of the study of Ezekiel 28 it indicates he was once a high ranking cherub until his rebelion. He could well have been in charge of protecting the tree of knowledge or had some role given to him by God in the garden for the good at first untill he rebelled.
I dont think disobedience was the main problem that effected mankind here more what happend to eve and adam after they ate from tree.
 
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de-emerald said:
I came across a study That might explain why satan was in the Garden. The study is of Ezekiel 28 that points towards satan once being a guardian cherub, one of the cherubim, By the looks of the study of Ezekiel 28 it indicates he was once a high-ranking cherub until his rebellion. He could well have been in charge of protecting the tree of knowledge or had some role given to him by God in the garden for the good at first until he rebelled.
I don't think disobedience was the main problem that affected mankind here more than what happened to eve and adam after they ate from tree.
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Satan, or the Serpent, was in the Garden because that's where God wanted him to be. There is an Eternal Plan, and that Plan must be followed. Try not to over-think the Scriptures. There are Eternal Scrolls written in Heaven . . . these Scrolls will be fulfilled. And this is the single most important realization to have of the Bible, which is Power. We must recognize the Lord's Power, for if we don't, we will never possess True Fear of the Lord.
 
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Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Is Christ saying He has the keys to those realities? Is the key the same as the escape routes? The Way?
Did satan have those keys previously?
 
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Did Jesus get the keys by dying as a physical Man and then becoming the Ultimate High Priest ..and completing The Way?
 
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