Does the Bible support the idea of a spinning ball earth flying through space, or is that a Satanic, Masonic lie?

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You haven't offered this. Just convenient Heliocentric theories about movements of the heavenly bodies that even your own Heliocentric theory can't adequately explain the observations for.
I don't have a heliocentric theory or even understand what that word means.
 

RaceRunner

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You seem like an otherwise intelligent guy, Moses. I cannot fathom why you believe the earth is flat.
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Dino246

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You haven't offered this. Just convenient Heliocentric theories about movements of the heavenly bodies that even your own Heliocentric theory can't adequately explain the observations for.
I have made no claims about heliocentricity, that I recall.
 

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But, that is the problem - mathematics is a very good tool for illustrating even the most abstract of ideas; however, that does not mean that if the math works that it is a true reflection of actual physical reality.

And, mathematics alone cannot "measure" the curvature of the earth. If you can't do it in the physical reality, you can't do it.
 

GaryA

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And, mathematics alone cannot "measure" the curvature of the earth. If you can't do it in the physical reality, you can't do it.
Now - I am not saying that you cannot "do math" on actual measurements; however, there must be some kind of actual physical reality measurement or the math is just abstraction.
 
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But, that is the problem - mathematics is a very good tool for illustrating even the most abstract of ideas; however, that does not mean that if the math works that it is a true reflection of actual physical reality.

And, mathematics alone cannot "measure" the curvature of the earth. If you can't do it in the physical reality, you can't do it.
you could use a laser. but, i don't know if they have one in existence for that application.
 

GaryA

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Where is the objective evidence for your claim?
'personal experience' (the kind where you are paying close attention to what you are actually seeing)

Where are the scientific studies supporting it?
In every place that you refuse to look...

You need to understand that the horizon is more about the way our eyes work and the way we see things than it is about a hard-limit fixed distance based on 'curvature'. If you have not realized yet that in different contexts-and-situations the distance to the horizon varies (sometimes greatly) - you are not paying very good attention at all...

The horizon is not an always-at-a-fixed-distance phenomenon - which it would have to be if it was based on 'curvature' of the earth.
 

Dino246

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'personal experience' (the kind where you are paying close attention to what you are actually seeing)
So seeing the sun just above the horizon doesn't convince you that you can see just as far 'laterally' as 'vertically'? Okay. Your concept of 'paying close attention' is different from mine.

In every place that you refuse to look...
That's a non-answer. I ask for scientific studies, you respond with snark. C'mon Gary, you're better than that. If you can't cite any studies, just admit it.

You need to understand that the horizon is more about the way our eyes work and the way we see things than it is about a hard-limit fixed distance based on 'curvature'. If you have not realized yet that in different contexts-and-situations the distance to the horizon varies (sometimes greatly) - you are not paying very good attention at all...

If you want to be considered a jackdonkey (as certain of the other FE-advocates are), you can continue making unwarranted assumptions like this. I thought you were capable of basic respect.

The horizon is simply the farthest-visible surface, no matter the distance. In hilly terrain it might be a few hundred feet away, while on the ocean it is several miles away, and near (but not among) mountains, the distance could be a hundred miles or more.

The horizon is not an always-at-a-fixed-distance phenomenon - which it would have to be if it was based on 'curvature' of the earth.
Dead wrong; see above.

In the FE world, the horizon would always be the 'nearest highest ground'. I would suggest you do some examination of a topographical map of your local area to determine what you should be able to see if the Earth were flat, and compare it to what you can see. Further, seeing across vast water bodies to the far shore should be a commonplace thing (with thousands if not millions of photos as evidence), not a rare occurrence captured with special equipment and difficult-to-replicate circumstances.
 

Dino246

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Let me ask you a 'fundamental' question - just exactly why does a 'planet' appear as a bright spot?

And, don't give me the lame answer that it is a reflection of light. A 'reflection' that is as bright as a 'star'? (which gives off its own light) :rolleyes:

If that were true, the 1,000,000 candlepower reflection of light from the moon would blind us all. Think about it.

Unless planets are big chrome balls, they cannot possibly reflect enough light such that they appear as a bright spot in the sky.

Come on, man. Think! Don't swallow the propaganda...
Yes, reflections can be as bright as stars. You are overlooking two facts: that light diminishes quickly in intensity over distance, and that it takes a very small amount of light to be visible against a dark background. A very distant light source (star) only delivers a small amount of light to the receptor (the eyes) while a nearby reflector, even a poor one, can deliver just as much or even far more light to the same receptor. Again, ignorance of basic physics undermines your hypothesis; "propaganda" has nothing to do with it.
 
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the world God created in Genesis 1 is a pre-fallen world.. the prince of the power of the air can make it seem really different from that... don't you think?
 

Dino246

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the world God created in Genesis 1 is a pre-fallen world.. the prince of the power of the air can make it seem really different from that... don't you think?
Welcome to CC...

The world of Genesis 1 was indeed "pre-fallen" but the world we live in, post-Genesis 3, is a fallen world. The devil doesn't need to delude us into believing that.
 
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I don't have a heliocentric theory or even understand what that word means.
The comment was made to somebody else. Heliocentric theory is the belief that Earth and all the planets rotate about the sun. There is much more to the theory by necessity, as it requires that gravity holds the sea water under the Earth to the Earth, that the Earth itself is spinning on its axis, that the sun is incredibly large and travelling through the universe at incredible speeds, and that the stars are similarly large and inconceivable distances away from the Earth.

This is what you believe, if you believe the Earth is a ball (unless you are a geocentrist which is a more scripturally and scientifically respectable position, but still inaccurate).
 

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The comment was made to somebody else. Heliocentric theory is the belief that Earth and all the planets rotate about the sun. There is much more to the theory by necessity, as it requires that gravity holds the sea water under the Earth to the Earth, that the Earth itself is spinning on its axis, that the sun is incredibly large and travelling through the universe at incredible speeds, and that the stars are similarly large and inconceivable distances away from the Earth.

This is what you believe, if you believe the Earth is a ball (unless you are a geocentrist which is a more scripturally and scientifically respectable position, but still inaccurate).
have you took into account the earth has its own gravity ?. And that birds above a certain size or weight can't fly

But I hope you enjoy this simplest version. 😊

 
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have you took into account the earth has its own gravity ?. And that birds above a certain size or weight can't fly
It depends on what you mean by gravity. The propensity for things to fall downward is an established fact, but the birds and insects flying or not can be explained by buoyancy and density. Heliocentricity also requires gravity to act in sideways directions and even upwards, but of course, this has never been demonstrated scientifically.

But I hope you enjoy this simplest version. 😊
I don't usually watch videos. If there's a main point, happy to discuss it, though.
 

Fundaamental

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It depends on what you mean by gravity. The propensity for things to fall downward is an established fact, but the birds and insects flying or not can be explained by buoyancy and density. Heliocentricity also requires gravity to act in sideways directions and even upwards, but of course, this has never been demonstrated scientifically.

I don't usually watch videos. If there's a main point, happy to discuss it, though.
The centre of gravity for earth is the earth core.

The magnetic forces that earths magnetic core produces attracts anything that has energy above it.

Water has a type of kinetic energy.

The earth core also produces it's own energy field and earth produces it's own atmosphere,
Anything inside earths atmosphere is attracted to earths centre of gravity. ( It's core) which produces a magnetic energy, known as gravity.

In other words earths core is a big huge magnet and everything inside of earth's atmosphere is earths smaller magnets.

Including the water which has kinetic energy.

Including us people, we also have kinetic energy.
 

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Research selenelion. A selenelion is a lunar eclipse where the moon and sun can both be seen above the horizon. But according to Heliocentric theory, a lunar eclipse occurs because the moon moves into a position whereby the sun's light is blocked from reaching the moon. Clearly, this observation disproves the just-so explanation provided by Heliocentric theory. Remember, it only takes one exception to disprove the rule, and although there are others, the selenelion is probably the easiest one for a beginner to get to grips with.
Then your "rule" was disproved. Your attempt to dodge and evade the issue notwithstanding.
 
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Then your "rule" was disproved. Your attempt to dodge and evade the issue notwithstanding.
Nothing of the sort. If you understand maths or basic geometry and trignometry, you'll understand why the Wikipedia excuse doesn't hold water.
 
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