Does the new covenant affirm or deny the OT?

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Jesus was God.
The Book of Hebrews chapter 8:10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the LORD. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
The Book of Hebrews chapter 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the LORD. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

(Jesus said)The Book of Matthew chapter 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

There is the law of God
And there was the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses was nailed to the cross, that was the ceremonial law. The law of God was not.
In Hebrews, we read about the New Covenant that was written about in Jeremiah 31:31 that was instituted by Jesus.

Then in Col 2:14 we read this from the CEV. "God wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross."
 

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Asses do not talk but Balaam's did. (The Book of Numbers chapter 22)
Since you believe it to be allegorical, what then was the talking serpent in Genesis?
The serpent was Satan (Revelation 12:9) and we know from Luke 8:33 for example that Satan like Jesus can find a dwelling place in us.
 

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The serpent was Satan (Revelation 12:9) and we know from Luke 8:33 for example that Satan like Jesus can find a dwelling place in us.
Where in the scripture you cite from Luke does it say Satan can take up residence in those who are indwelt with Holy Spirit God?
As for Revelation 12:9, I do believe you referred to the wrong verse(?)if it is your intention to say that verse 9 tells us Satan can take up residence in the indwelt reborn Christian.
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
 

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In Hebrews, we read about the New Covenant that was written about in Jeremiah 31:31 that was instituted by Jesus.

Then in Col 2:14 we read this from the CEV. "God wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross."
Thank you for reiterating my posted remarks concerning the law of Moses being nailed to the cross with Jesus.
 
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Allegories are simply parables.

So back to Baalam's Ass. In Hos 4:12 we read, "My people seek advice from their wooden idols, and their rod declares to them. For the spirit of harlotry has caused them to go astray, and they have gone lusting away from under their God."

Idol worship was rife among the Israelites, and whether the idol was wood, stone, gold or animal, each idol had its prophets who spoke on behalf of idols, and so it was with Baalam who caused a stumbling-block to be cast before the children of Israel, causing them to fornicate etc.






IT WAS GOD WHO MADE THE ASS SPEAK TO BAALAM!
But you carry on in YOUR OWN WONDERFUL LITTLE INTELLECT!
 

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We are told that under the new covenant much of the old covenant is outdated and of no use to us. The English translation uses the word obsolete for the old covenant. (Romans 8:10) By going back to the original Greek words and Hebrew thinking that describes the new covenant, they thought of something new in two ways, one was of something completely original and the other word we transcribe as new means something that is refreshed. The original wording of the new covenant description tells us that it is refreshing something old. Scripture tells us it makes the old of no use to us any longer.

The fact remains that something of the old testament can be ignored by us as not needed. The church uses that to get rid of the feasts, fleshly circumcision, diet restrictions, blood of animals, and some even use it to get rid of the law. It is often used as a reason not to listen to OT scripture. What do you think God means us to know about what the new covenant replaces?

My position is that God is Holy and His words, all of them, are Holy and nothing is cancelled that is Holy. Christ replaces the blood of animals used as a symbol of Christ, the Holy Spirit replaces the need to be reminded to let only clean things in our minds, we make a pledge to belong to the Lord by spirit now, not by cutting flesh. But those things naturally happened as a result of the new covenant, they were not things that God cancelled but happened as a result of things God added.

What are your thoughts and what do you base those thoughts on?
The New Covenant is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant.

You need to study types and antitypes, promise and fulfillment, body (or shadow) and substance. Types, promises, shadows and body point to antitypes, fulfillments, and substance. Judaizer nonsense falls apart upon careful studying. While Judaizers think they are the enlightened ones, they are not.

By the way I was a Judaizer, raised in a Judaizer family. I was baptized in a Judaizer organization, and spend at least a decade there, fully believing their juvenile teachings.

Regulations regarding physical circumcision, diet, and days are obsolete.

If you want to have your sexual organs mutilated, go ahead..there's no salvational value in it. I'm guessing you're a woman or some man who is already circumcised, though, or you wouldn't be so gung-ho about it. I can think of, oh, about two bazillion other worthy things to do than groaning and moaning for a month after a physical circumcision.

You are using a Judaizer claim concerning "renewed" rather than "new".

Jer 31: 31“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. 33For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Notice that the New Covenant is "not like" the covenants made before. Therefore, the "renewed" explanation is not coherent.

The Mosaic Law is not in effect:

Acts 15
Galatians 3,4
2 Cor 3
Rom 7:1-6
Heb 7, 8
Eph 2:13-15

Read carefully.

For truly open-minded persons, I would recommend "Freedom in Christ" by Meno Kalisher. He is a Messianic Jew living in Israel and is well-acquainted with the reasoning of Judaizers.

By the way, when I use the word "Judaizer", I am talking about individuals who claim believers must keep the Mosaic Covenant stipulations. I am not talking about individuals who observe Sabbath, festivals, etcetera without claiming they are required. It is fine for those who observe them as a matter of preference to observe them, and believe in orthodox Christian doctrine such as the Trinity and justification by faith alone.
 

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IT WAS GOD WHO MADE THE ASS SPEAK TO BAALAM!
But you carry on in YOUR OWN WONDERFUL LITTLE INTELLECT!
My barometer says it is going to rain. It was me saying it. My barometer does not talk. :)
 

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Where in the scripture you cite from Luke does it say Satan can take up residence in those who are indwelt with Holy Spirit God?
As for Revelation 12:9, I do believe you referred to the wrong verse(?)if it is your intention to say that verse 9 tells us Satan can take up residence in the indwelt reborn Christian.
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Satan cannot dwell in the heart of the believer. Revelation 12:9 simply confirms the ancient serpent of Genesis was the devil.

The message regarding the Garden of Eden is that disobedience separates us from God.
 

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Satan cannot dwell in the heart of the believer.
That is true. Satan cannot possess one who has Holy Spirit God indwelling them.

Revelation 12:9 simply confirms the ancient serpent of Genesis was the devil.

The message regarding the Garden of Eden is that disobedience separates us from God.
The Book of Revelation was written by the Apostle of Christ, John, during his exile to the island of Patmos.
It is a chapter of foretelling, not a recollection of past history.
 

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We are told that under the new covenant much of the old covenant is outdated and of no use to us. The English translation uses the word obsolete for the old covenant. (Romans 8:10) By going back to the original Greek words and Hebrew thinking that describes the new covenant, they thought of something new in two ways, one was of something completely original and the other word we transcribe as new means something that is refreshed. The original wording of the new covenant description tells us that it is refreshing something old. Scripture tells us it makes the old of no use to us any longer.

The fact remains that something of the old testament can be ignored by us as not needed. The church uses that to get rid of the feasts, fleshly circumcision, diet restrictions, blood of animals, and some even use it to get rid of the law. It is often used as a reason not to listen to OT scripture. What do you think God means us to know about what the new covenant replaces?

My position is that God is Holy and His words, all of them, are Holy and nothing is cancelled that is Holy. Christ replaces the blood of animals used as a symbol of Christ, the Holy Spirit replaces the need to be reminded to let only clean things in our minds, we make a pledge to belong to the Lord by spirit now, not by cutting flesh. But those things naturally happened as a result of the new covenant, they were not things that God cancelled but happened as a result of things God added.

What are your thoughts and what do you base those thoughts on?
The New Testament/covenant fulfills and confirms the promises and prophecies of the comming Messiah that were written in the Old Testament which is (not was) Jesus. so each validates the other.
 

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That is true. Satan cannot possess one who has Holy Spirit God indwelling them.


The Book of Revelation was written by the Apostle of Christ, John, during his exile to the island of Patmos.
It is a chapter of foretelling, not a recollection of past history.
Rev 12:9 KJV And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Past tense. Do you like quibbling?
 

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Rev 12:9 KJV And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Past tense. Do you like quibbling?
Do you believe Revelation 12 was a description of history, or a foretelling?
Are you aware that Satan entered Heaven and spoke with God?
 

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Do you believe Revelation 12 was a description of history, or a foretelling?
Are you aware that Satan entered Heaven and spoke with God?
Satan deceived the whole world from the beginning. That is past tense and there is no need argue about it. I'm going back to bed. Goodbye.
 
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@Whispered take a look at Numbers 22:1- 38,with PARTICULAR attention to verse 28
AND THE LORD .......OPENED.... THE MOUTH OF THE ASS,AND SHE SAID UNTO BAALAM,WHAT HAVE I DONE UNTO THEE,THAT THOU HAST SMITTEN ME THESE THREE TIMES? KJV

KNOW ALL THE SCRIPTURES!
 

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@Whispered take a look at Numbers 22:1- 38,with PARTICULAR attention to verse 28
AND THE LORD .......OPENED.... THE MOUTH OF THE ASS,AND SHE SAID UNTO BAALAM,WHAT HAVE I DONE UNTO THEE,THAT THOU HAST SMITTEN ME THESE THREE TIMES? KJV

KNOW ALL THE SCRIPTURES!
Did you mean to address this to me? I have made no issue with the account of Balaam's ass.