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Pilgrimshope

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#81
Of course everything was created by God's word (Jesus).... (John 1)

That DOES NOT MEAN that everything that exists is defined in scripture.

Truly, this is some *facepalm* level stuff.
lol yea I never said it was you should tell that to who said it
 

Blik

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#82
The first statement has God creating the heavens and the earth. What do you see as the ‘something’ that ‘was here before’?
I have absolutely no idea. Science probes it, not me.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#84
You isolated and replied to Icedaisey's question in a manner that implied that you thought he/she was in the wrong.
lol ohhh I Implied ……I see well anyways I didn’t say what you or she said and replied to i was explaining to here my point that she then asked that about , and you then jumped in and said it was a face palm moment …. Which I do agree with that part it was a face palm moment 😊
 
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I have absolutely no idea. Science probes it, not me.
While I am not a Biblical literalist (though I do emphatically believe the authority of scripture), you cannot logically claim that
lol ohhh I Implied ……I see well anyways I didn’t say what you or she said and replied to i was explaining to here my point that she then asked that about , and you then jumped in and said it was a face palm moment …. Which I do agree with that part it was a face palm moment 😊

???

You should try to be coherent in your responses. The lack of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling in your responses make them quite difficult to understand.
 

Dino246

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#86
Okay. I am using references to scales that we are familiar with (and that are objectively necessary to understand terms like "day")

But, if we use your (stubborn) logic,

1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

With verses 1-2, we have creation without ANY light, period. It existed without ANY reference to light (as you said described day). This is an *immeasurable* (by *any* metric) amount of "time", which completely and irrefutably disallows any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 within the bounds of our concept of time.

It is SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. (And I don't care if it appears that I am "yelling". I don't mean to be rude, but the truth is not an *opinion*. It is important).
Logic is indeed stubborn, but you need not throw subtle insults at me because of that reality. Your "simply impossible" is your opinion, not "truth". While I agree that the creation of the heavens and the earth precede the creation of light, God's own use of day, night, evening, and morning in succession strongly support the idea that this first period of time was not fundamentally different from subsequent periods. You have an interesting theory, but you're basing that theory on an argument from silence, not on actual evidence from the text.
 

Gideon300

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#87
You are not going to convince a non-believer of a young age earth, but a christian by showing them there were only 77 generations between Adam and Jesus.
That only relates to when Adam was created. The earth could have existed for millennia prior to Adam. This is known as the gap theory.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#88
While I am not a Biblical literalist (though I do emphatically believe the authority of scripture), you cannot logically claim that



???

You should try to be coherent in your responses. The lack of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling in your responses make them quite difficult to understand.
or Maybe you shouldn’t jump into a response to another person with an attitude possibly ?
 

Dino246

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I have absolutely no idea. Science probes it, not me.
Perhaps you have forgotten what you wrote earlier? Here it is...

I would say it has nothing to do with the truth of scripture, for scripture tells us something was here before God started creating it for us.
So, again, what does Scripture say was here before God started creating, and which verse(s) tell(s) you this? You made a claim; I'm asking you to substantiate your claim. You keep saying you want to discuss Scripture, so let's discuss Scripture! Which part of Scripture tells us what you claim?
 
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Logic is indeed stubborn, but you need not throw subtle insults at me because of that reality. Your "simply impossible" is your opinion, not "truth". While I agree that the creation of the heavens and the earth precede the creation of light, God's own use of day, night, evening, and morning in succession strongly support the idea that this first period of time was not fundamentally different from subsequent periods. You have an interesting theory, but you're basing that theory on an argument from silence, not on actual evidence from the text.
No, it is not at all my "opinion". We have a *period*, which predates the stated first day and therefore is outside of any relative or real measure or fathom of time, which again, is of itself, relevant. The "time frame" of Genesis 1 is simply not POSSIBLE to be taken literally. At all. There is not even a discussion to be had here.
 

Dino246

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#92
One comparison of Psalm 18 and its parallel 2 Samuel 22 (as well as consideration of the rest of the prophets and OT writers) should be all we need to remind us that the Hebraic literary style is NOT the same as we are used to as 21st century Westerners. To take the creation account as *necessarily* woodenly literal does a disservice to scholarship and honesty.
And while we're at it, we'll allegorize those pesky words from Exodus 20:11, smack in the middle of the obviously-very-literal ten commandments?
 

Dino246

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No, it is not at all my "opinion". We have a *period*, which predates the stated first day and therefore is outside of any relative or real measure or fathom of time, which again, is of itself, relevant. The "time frame" of Genesis 1 is simply not POSSIBLE to be taken literally. At all. There is not even a discussion to be had here.
Wrong... see my comment from a moment ago.
 
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or Maybe you shouldn’t jump into a response to another person with an attitude possibly ?
I would expect that a conversation with someone who has a legitimate point to share would at minimum take the effort to present his or her point in an understandable way.
 

Gideon300

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#95
I think it does matter if you want to find the truth. And there are many methods beyond Carbon dating that indicate the age of something. If God gave us the intellectual ability to use science to find out about the world around us, why do we disagree with the the field evidence?
The Bible explains why the mind of sinners is unreliable. Their minds have been darkened. You have scientists who start with a premise such as there is no God. They claim to be wise but prove themselves to be fools. Read Romans 1 for the sorry story.

There are many reasons why the earth could not be nearly 5 billion years old. You also need to look at why it matters to godless scientists. They need extreme age to justify evolution, a flawed and deficient theory that denies the Creator.

When ever the theory of evolution is challenged, evolutionists get all defensive and start muttering about peer reviewed papers. For some reason a Mensa level genius is incapable of understanding evolution if he happens to disagree with it. Critics of those who oppose evolution often descend into personal attacks. So someone like Professor James Tour gets described as a "Creationist hack". One of the smartest, hard working and influential scientists on the planet, but he is belittled because he refuses to accept the myth of evolution. He does this because of his science knowledge. He deliberately does not quote the Bible. He exposes the flaws and lets people make up their minds. If that is being a hack, we need millions more like him.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I would expect that a conversation with someone who has a legitimate point to share would at minimum take the effort to present his or her point in an understandable way.
well you must just be on a higher level than me you do seem pretty wise 🙂 I’ll continue mingling with the fools who believe that God made the earth and everything in it in six days and then rested on the seventh
 

Blik

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#97
Perhaps you have forgotten what you wrote earlier? Here it is...



So, again, what does Scripture say was here before God started creating, and which verse(s) tell(s) you this? You made a claim; I'm asking you to substantiate your claim. You keep saying you want to discuss Scripture, so let's discuss Scripture! Which part of Scripture tells us what you claim?
I repeated what scripture says, do you want to scalp me for quoting scripture? It was void, and I do not know what God meant by that so take my scalp because I honestly do not know and I don't think repeating scripture is such an offense as you are making it. I made a claim about what scripture says, I made absolutely no claim that I was there to look at this void that scripture says was there. I wasn't there.
 
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well you must just be on a higher level than me you do seem pretty wise 🙂 I’ll continue mingling with the fools who believe that God made the earth and everything in it in six days and then rested on the seventh
I'm simply speaking about your fundamental communication in written English. Previously, it was nearly impossible to understand.
 

Gideon300

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Okay. I am using references to scales that we are familiar with (and that are objectively necessary to understand terms like "day")

But, if we use your (stubborn) logic,

1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

With verses 1-2, we have creation without ANY light, period. It existed without ANY reference to light (as you said described day). This is an *immeasurable* (by *any* metric) amount of "time", which completely and irrefutably disallows any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 within the bounds of our concept of time.

It is SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE. (And I don't care if it appears that I am "yelling". I don't mean to be rude, but the truth is not an *opinion*. It is important).
Another point is that the word "was" (verse two) can be just as accurately translated "became". One theory (which I believe to be true) is that there was a creation prior to what is recorded in Genesis 1. From verse 3, we see the restoration of the earth that was destroyed by a flood. If this is correct, it answers a lot of questions about the geological record, fossils and how death could have come in before Adam sinned.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I'm simply speaking about your fundamental communication in written English. Previously, it was nearly impossible to understand.
tthis was impossible to understand ?

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Studying rocks rather than what God said could be the issue”


Or this ? Which was where you jumped in ?

everything that exists was created by Gods word

science looks at what his word created in a moment without faith , so we say “ nature Would take a billion years to create this “

it’s because we’re not understanding the almighty and his power

science would also tell us this isn’t possible but he spoke it and it happened


“And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:43-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

was a simple point that science fools it’s own self into thinking too much of mans “ wisdom “”

that seems pretty coherent as well as this

lol yea I never said it was you should tell that to who said it”

That all Seems pretty coherent still to
Me but like I said , I’m not very smart and prefer to converse with others who aren’t so wise and above me in thier understanding of the English language and what not , so I digress and wish you well