EEEHHHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! *happy dance*
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Just a shot in the dark here, but is much of this having to do with functionality, and by that I mean, "I need to support myself and I need to function in life, so sometimes I need to work on a sunday", for example? You put aspects of "work" and "obedience to God". Look, there are things we "should" do, but if we "can not", literally it causes more bad things were we to not rescue a sheep from a pit, if we "can not", "at times", Jesus has made clear it will be ok. Knowing you "should be obedient" is not the same thing as "drop everything and become a covenantist". It just does not mean that.
Again, I'll say, it appears at times I'm legitimizing "just do whatever you want", but I'm not. If it's something important, God knows it's important, He knows this in our hearts. He knows if we're "just making an excuse", or "if this is something that needs to be done". We're filled with original sin anyway, we can't help that, He knows that. BUT when you can be obedient you must be obedient, and you will, because if you can ask all these things, you obviously "know better".
Is this closer to the truth you're seeking?
Again, I'll say, it appears at times I'm legitimizing "just do whatever you want", but I'm not. If it's something important, God knows it's important, He knows this in our hearts. He knows if we're "just making an excuse", or "if this is something that needs to be done". We're filled with original sin anyway, we can't help that, He knows that. BUT when you can be obedient you must be obedient, and you will, because if you can ask all these things, you obviously "know better".
Is this closer to the truth you're seeking?
A relationship with Jesus is necessary over using any doctrine or creed of Righteousness to gain ground..so I disagree with the premise of using the Ten Commandments as a guide. Discernment is not a matter of telling the difference between right and wrong; rather it is telling the difference between right and almost right. The only way to do that consistently and rightly all the time with God is to follow the person of Jesus exclusively, by way of that foundation, then, God will honor His laws thru us, and change us to a level of purity only Jesus can deliver vs. our own human reasonability's sought out to honor God.
I am to take notice of.... and respect the Ten Commandments but they are not the tool to rightness-ever, they are not a guide.. They are a result of my contract to God thru Jesus Christ, which is : My job is obedience from faith to His real -time relationship in the here and now, His job is to secure His glory and to provide us with a prospering life. My Religion is never the Church or creed I follow, even though those exist within me, it is a person/God named Jesus Christ.
What happens when we don't follow every Ten Commandment?------I'm glad you asked smile...:
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* I already stated a verse in my first post in this thread but also Romans 3:20; Romans 3:21-24; Romans 3:31...for starters.
I am to take notice of.... and respect the Ten Commandments but they are not the tool to rightness-ever, they are not a guide.. They are a result of my contract to God thru Jesus Christ, which is : My job is obedience from faith to His real -time relationship in the here and now, His job is to secure His glory and to provide us with a prospering life. My Religion is never the Church or creed I follow, even though those exist within me, it is a person/God named Jesus Christ.
What happens when we don't follow every Ten Commandment?------I'm glad you asked smile...:
.* I already stated a verse in my first post in this thread but also Romans 3:20; Romans 3:21-24; Romans 3:31...for starters.
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A relationship with Jesus is necessary over using any doctrine or creed of Righteousness to gain ground..so I disagree with the premise of using the Ten Commandments as a guide. Discernment is not a matter of telling the difference between right and wrong; rather it is telling the difference between right and almost right. The only way to do that consistently and rightly all the time with God is to follow the person of Jesus exclusively, by way of that foundation, then, God will honor His laws thru us, and change us to a level of purity only Jesus can deliver vs. our own human reasonability's sought out to honor God.
I am to take notice of.... and respect the Ten Commandments but they are not the tool to rightness-ever, they are not a guide.. They are a result of my contract to God thru Jesus Christ, which is : My job is obedience from faith to His real -time relationship in the here and now, His job is to secure His glory and to provide us with a prospering life. My Religion is never the Church or creed I follow, even though those exist within me, it is a person/God named Jesus Christ.
What happens when we don't follow every Ten Commandment?------I'm glad you asked smile...:.
* I already stated a verse in my first post in this thread but also Romans 3:20; Romans 3:21-24; Romans 3:31...for starters.
I am to take notice of.... and respect the Ten Commandments but they are not the tool to rightness-ever, they are not a guide.. They are a result of my contract to God thru Jesus Christ, which is : My job is obedience from faith to His real -time relationship in the here and now, His job is to secure His glory and to provide us with a prospering life. My Religion is never the Church or creed I follow, even though those exist within me, it is a person/God named Jesus Christ.
What happens when we don't follow every Ten Commandment?------I'm glad you asked smile...:
.* I already stated a verse in my first post in this thread but also Romans 3:20; Romans 3:21-24; Romans 3:31...for starters.
That is right, we can add nothing to the perfect relationship or our righteousness other than what Jesus has procured for us. But let us also re-read some Scripture to point out the way God uses this to finish His work in us:
We start out with everything found in victory thru one person, that person being Jesus Christ, and we experience Him thru our life giving us divine revelation of this application to becoming like Him in our walk, as He changes our very core of will in us, from the transforming inside out.
"For by one Sacrifice He has made perfect forever those who are being made Holy." Thus, the victory is complete from square one, but His finishing work still applies to our ever-growing moment on this earth as we walk with Him, by faith unto obedience to His calling to it. "Therefore, you are to be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." Matt. 5:48. "To be" is His job to finish in us, we are to just sit in things already accomplished in Christ {our new creation found in perfection by way of the cross of Christ} and obey with a child-like response {Our job!} He will take care of the rest making us Holy and pure. That process stops in it's tracks if we sin, and requires then confessed sin to return to the finishing work of Christ, for He is faithful and just and will forgive us from all unrighteousness, if we confess. He gave us victory, He sustains victory and we are to lay down the one thing He still gives power to choose --Our will.....to lay it by our choice next to His. This is how love is real between Our Father , thru Jesus Christ and ourselves.
We start out with everything found in victory thru one person, that person being Jesus Christ, and we experience Him thru our life giving us divine revelation of this application to becoming like Him in our walk, as He changes our very core of will in us, from the transforming inside out.
"For by one Sacrifice He has made perfect forever those who are being made Holy." Thus, the victory is complete from square one, but His finishing work still applies to our ever-growing moment on this earth as we walk with Him, by faith unto obedience to His calling to it. "Therefore, you are to be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." Matt. 5:48. "To be" is His job to finish in us, we are to just sit in things already accomplished in Christ {our new creation found in perfection by way of the cross of Christ} and obey with a child-like response {Our job!} He will take care of the rest making us Holy and pure. That process stops in it's tracks if we sin, and requires then confessed sin to return to the finishing work of Christ, for He is faithful and just and will forgive us from all unrighteousness, if we confess. He gave us victory, He sustains victory and we are to lay down the one thing He still gives power to choose --Our will.....to lay it by our choice next to His. This is how love is real between Our Father , thru Jesus Christ and ourselves.
* It's not directed at you,it was directed at the {point} or words you left behind is all. I have no problem with anything you said other than this....nor do I have any problem with you.....I am on the same team! I actually think you probably agree with me on this point ....do you?
I am only trying to respond to my spirit.
I am only trying to respond to my spirit.
T
HEy all so my thoughts if I may. I feeL that the whole argument is rather interesting. First off, we need the ten commandments. While yes they may be considered mosaic law, if they were to be not used wy would got restate 9 of the 10? In the scripture it states that the commandments can be described as loving youre neighbor as yourself. (when i find the verse ill post it) But looking at strictly the bible. it's telling us that the commandments are a guide on HOW to effectivelty love like Christ. Or as close to Christ as we can get. IF you say to me "but the command is to LOVE ND LOVE ONLY" What I ask you is then if gods greatest command is to love, HOW does the scripture show us and tell us? SO not using the old testament (those of you who are saying it doesn't apply) show me where the new testament tells us HOW to love others
But the fruit of the spirit is LOVE, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control gal5:22
What does the next verse say??
Against such things THERE IS NO LAW gal5:22&23
So is the way to live a Godly life to persevere in following after the Holy Spirit and seeing the fruits of the spirit displayed in your life rather than looking to the literal letter?
What does the next verse say??
Against such things THERE IS NO LAW gal5:22&23
So is the way to live a Godly life to persevere in following after the Holy Spirit and seeing the fruits of the spirit displayed in your life rather than looking to the literal letter?
Here's three:
And he answered [and] said, “You shall love the Lord your God from all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” And he said to him, “You have answered correctly. Do this and you will live.” But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” ... Which of these three [priest, Levite, Samaritan] do you suppose became a neighbor of the man who fell among the robbers?” So he said, “The one who showed mercy to him.” And Jesus said to him, “You go and do likewise.” Luke 10:27-29, 36-37
Therefore [in] all [things], whatever you want that people should do to you, thus also you do to them. For this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
Carry the burdens of one another, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2
Therefore [in] all [things], whatever you want that people should do to you, thus also you do to them. For this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
Carry the burdens of one another, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2
T
OK. So there are examples now. take it a step further. Why would god restate 9 of the 10 commandments? If you couple those WITH the verse you have posted (among others) We get a clear picture of how to love. SO what am I saying? That we use the ten commandments AND the passages in the NT. We use both of them
So my brothers you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another to him that was raised from the dead rom7:4
Verse 6:
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code( law)
Because through Christ Jesus the law of the spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death( the written code)
For what the law was powerless to do, in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man
In order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the spirit rom8:2-4
For the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control( Christs law)
Against such things there is no law gal5:22&23
I LOVE it when scripture comes together to give us the gospel
Hallelujah!!
Verse 6:
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code( law)
Because through Christ Jesus the law of the spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death( the written code)
For what the law was powerless to do, in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man
In order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the spirit rom8:2-4
For the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control( Christs law)
Against such things there is no law gal5:22&23
I LOVE it when scripture comes together to give us the gospel
Hallelujah!!
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It goes much, much deeper than that. For instance, the second commandment teaches to not let ungodly thoughts (images) become fixed (graven) in the mind, which then give birth to sin and death.
But each one is tempted [when he] is dragged away and enticed by his own desires. Then desire, [after it] has conceived, gives birth to sin, and sin, [when it] is brought to completion, gives birth to death. James 1:14-15
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. 2 Corinthians 2:11
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Corinthians 10:5
Device/Thought
G3540 νόημα noema (no'-ay-mah) n.
1. a mental perception, thought
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 1 Peter 1:13
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. 2 Corinthians 2:11
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Corinthians 10:5
Device/Thought
G3540 νόημα noema (no'-ay-mah) n.
1. a mental perception, thought
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 1 Peter 1:13
My dear sister, I am thankful that you have seen the light. I had a feeling that you were going this route but didn't say anything to u about it..just watched ur post from time to time. Sister don't be discouraged about what they say to u..just keep your eyes on Jesus and He will guide u as He has to this day. Remember the narrow gate. Satan will try to drown u with all the voices around you. Stay the course. I am praying for u.
Keep in touch.
Your sister in Christ.