EEEHHHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! *happy dance*

[GodIsSalvation]

From that first link I must agree with Sir HeRoseFromTheDead. Looks like the SDA stuff. Be wary of them, the SDA is a pagan cult started by an infamous and verified false prophet. You don't have to hate them or nothing, but stay away from their leaven.

As for your ponderings on the Sabbath, it is nothing to fret at. Let not the SDA pagans beguile you with the Sabbath talk like the Pharisees of old. The Bible says the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Jesus is our Sabbath.

Mark 2:23-28

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

 

[Angela53510]

Because I had a really bad PTSD episode and the people there didn't understand it.

JF, PTSD doesn't go away after one bad episode. It colours all the thoughts and dreams and opinions of the person who suffers from it. You need to get some help from a pastor or preferably a Christian counselor.

Because you are hurting in so many ways, you are jumping on any new fad or weird website to cover the damage inside. A damage which was added to by being ostracized by the campus group.

If we needed to obey the law to be saved, then why did God send his only Son to die on the cross?

The entire theological system of the Old Testament points forward to Jesus work, and in his coming, the whole Old Testament finds its perfection and fulfillment in Christ.

Jesus is not only working in line with the Old Testament, but he is superior to it.

Three times, Jesus clearly states his superiority to the Old Testament "types."

"I tell you, something greater than the temple is here." (Matt. 12:6)

"something greater than Jonah is here." (Matt. 12:41)

"something greater than Solomon is here." (Matt. 12:42)

Jesus repeats Elisha's miracle, but on a vastly greater scale. Twice Jesus succeeds where the Old Testament Israel had failed - (the temptation and the resurrection.)

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Every law, every prophecy, and every hope and dream! We do not need to follow the Old Testament, because Jesus is the one that the entire Old Testament was about.

"And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself" Luke 24:27

There is only one way to get out of this deep depression and emotional pain, which is driving you into the hands of cults.

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:12-2

 

[jsr1221]

First: you confused the ten commandments for the law. The mosaic law was the thing that was done away with.

Second: the ten commandments are more like guardrails to keep a person from falling into sin

Third: the ten commandments does not replace what Jesus did on the cross. NOTHING CAN DO THAT.

This is focusing more on "okay, this law says to do this.. Check.. Law number two says to do this.. Check." It's no different than "mainstream Christians" focusing on "not to sin" rather that growing in their faith with Jesus Christ.. Something what I feel you've come across is missing.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I fear you're going to stay in a rut if you don't get it out of your head that people are saying we don't have to keep the ten commandments. What is being said is that they are no longer a "rule" that, breaking, will determine your "Salvation worthiness."

Willie, this is not Biblical as the law was never given for salvation but relationship. It is clear in the Bible.

I don't understand why people keep on connecting salvation to the law. The Bible is clear that we are saved by faith...

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Can I ask you? If you want to look to the literal letter of the law, does this include Christ's literal commandments? Are they as important as OT law? If they are, how do you find obeying those literal commands in the beatitudes, and the rest of Christ's teachings?

IE

Don't invite friends and family home for a meal but rather the lame, blind, poor, beggars so you may receive your reward in Heaven.
If you fast make sure no one knows you fast or accept you are a hypocrite.

If anyone steals anything of yours, give them more besides with nothing but love in your heart for them

Don't short change yourself.

It is not enough just to not commit adultery. If you as much as look at another with lust in your eye you have already committed adultery with them in your heart.

It is not enough just to say you do not murder, if you get angry with your brother or sister you are subject to judgement.



You could perfectly obey the ten commandments(if that were possible) and still be cast into hell. For there is nothing in them about forgiving others. But Jesus said, if you do not forgive your brother your father in Heaven will not forgive you.

The yardstick is NOT the Ten Commandments. Try and follow the literal letter of Christ's teachings in the beatitudes. If you do, you will soon look away from the literal letter and to Christ-if you are sincere

So what you are telling me is that we should have a "little black book" and keep track of our forgiveness and when we get to 490 times we are out?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Absolutely, I agree.
Do you consider Christ's commandments as important as the Ten Commandments?

Do you accept if you could obey the Ten Commandments perfectly that would not mean you could attain Heaven by doing so?

What is the standard in your view, the Ten Commandments or Christ's teaching according to the literal letter?

I have a question, what did it mean when Jesus said

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I never said follow the Ten Commandments over Jesus's commands. But if we ignore one and follow the other that's like trying to drive half of a car.

Jesus's commandments (as people like to call them) was Biblical and relevant since the OT. God never changed and never will change... This is how we are being deceived.

The Bible is not a out with the old in with the new kind of a book.

 

[Babylonisfalling]

What I don't understand is why people are so content with mainstream Christianity...why aren't people looking for more?

You should stay in mainstream Christianity.
Mainstream Christianity may need you more than you need it.

 

[james57]

So what you are telling me is that we should have a "little black book" and keep track of our forgiveness and when we get to 490 times we are out?

No I haven't told you that

BTW

Good morning Gandalf. I see you cannot resist the urge to want to chat to me. I guess it I like trying to overcome an addiction, when the craving gets to a certain intensity you can fight it no longer and must give in

 

[james57]

I have a question, what did it mean when Jesus said

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Well it means there are religious people who like to have an air of sitting in authority over you. They act pious and godly while reciting to you the literal letter, so you must do everything the tell you with their lips. But dont act as they do for they don't practise what the preach
They crush you with their demands because it is impossible to perfectly obey the literal letter, but once they have crushed you they offer you no help for they are far too busy continuing to promote themselves as very godly and pious people.
Do you think any such people exist in churches today?

 

[james57]

Jesus's commandments (as people like to call them) was Biblical and relevant since the OT. God never changed and never will change... This is how we are being deceived.

The Bible is not a out with the old in with the new kind of a book.

May I ask you a question?
Are Jesus literal commands in the gospels as important to keep as are the literal commands written in the old testament you choose to follow?

Are Jesus literal rcommands in the Gospels as important as the ten commandments? Or are they of less significance/ importance


If you feel Jesus literal commands are not of less importance to keep than OT commands, would you say the following for instance are all as important as each other to follow:

A Saturday sabbaths observance

Never let anyone know if you fast

Do not invite friends or family home for a meal but rather the poor, lame, blind and beggars so you may receive your reward in heaven

 

[JesusLives]

Satan has no power whatsoever over us. The only power he has is what we give him. You have been hurt by some Christians and for that I am truly sorry. Don't throw everyone else in that same category because you were offended and hurt. Stop searching websites and other organizations. Search the Bible and trust in God alone and He will guide you. The HS is the comforter so let Him comfort you. You are going to find flaws in every church. This doesn't mean they are all purposely trying to corrupt you. If you want to follow the Sabbath on a Saturday then go for it. That is between you and God. But don't sit here and condemn the rest of us because we practice the Sabbath on Sunday. You are sounding like the people you are trying to get away from.

A quick question. What Saturday do you celebrate it on? Which one is the correct Saturday?

I've read the thread so far and she is not condemning anyone....I don't know where you are getting that.

 

[JesusLives]

Pure unfiltered truth can only cone from the holy spirit.

When I became a christian I sat on the edge of my bed, deep in thought. There were six billion people in the world, most smarter than me. Most of them believed in God but had different ideologies concerning him. Even in Christianity there were so many different denominations with various doctrines, and geld by highly intelligent people. I suddenly felt very small and vulnerable in the grand scheme of things. So I did the only thing I could do. I got down on my knees and asked God to show me truth through the holy spirit as I read the bible and I trusted him to do it. Does Tha mean I am infallible in knowledge? Heck no, but you gave to put your trust somewhere, right"

I sympathise with your bad experiences in churches, I had that also. It left me in a terrible state in my youth
Yes the bible can be manipulated, Tha can be done by various groups, even ones you may initially trust. Concerning which day you must go to church, Paul speaks in romans 14 of disputable matters, things everyone can follow what they think they should follow. In verse five he states:
One man considers one day more sacred( holy) than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
My understanding of that is. You are welcome to go to church on a Saturday and i am a Sunday. You may consider Saturday more holy than another day, i nay consider every day alike. But we do not have the right on Thi issue to say everyone must do as we do

I haven't read where she is saying we must do as she is doing.....

 

[james57]

I haven't read where she is saying we must do as she is doing.....

Did I say she did?

 

[JesusLives]

Did I say she did?

The way I read what you wrote it was implied.

 

[james57]

The way I read what you wrote it was implied.

I was making the general point that according to Paul it is up to the individual if they consider one day more holy/ sacred than another, or whether they consider every day alike. Therefore no christian has the right on this issue to impose their view on another
However, if a person were to say they follow the literal letter of the ten commandments and their view is this must be done to attain heaven, would they not then be saying you must do as they are doing by inference?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

May I ask you a question?
Are Jesus literal commands in the gospels as important to keep as are the literal commands written in the old testament you choose to follow?

Are Jesus literal rcommands in the Gospels as important as the ten commandments? Or are they of less significance/ importance


If you feel Jesus literal commands are not of less importance to keep than OT commands, would you say the following for instance are all as important as each other to follow:

A Saturday sabbaths observance

Never let anyone know if you fast

Do not invite friends or family home for a meal but rather the poor, lame, blind and beggars so you may receive your reward in heaven

James we must keep the laws of Yeshua. Yes. But the laws of Yeshua was nothing new. That is why I asked you about the "black book" because He said 70x7 times we should forgive our brother. The law was there from day one and it stayed the same. It is up to us to find it and realise that grace is not a new concept.

God is the same. He will never change. This my friend is Biblical. It is our duty to figure God out by studying His word and having a relationship with Him.

 

[Brother_Don]

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. Luke 18:15-20

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

No I haven't told you that

BTW

Good morning Gandalf. I see you cannot resist the urge to want to chat to me. I guess it I like trying to overcome an addiction, when the craving gets to a certain intensity you can fight it no longer and must give in

LOL yes I couldn't resist... Sorry

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Well it means there are religious people who like to have an air of sitting in authority over you. They act pious and godly while reciting to you the literal letter, so you must do everything the tell you with their lips. But dont act as they do for they don't practise what the preach
They crush you with their demands because it is impossible to perfectly obey the literal letter, but once they have crushed you they offer you no help for they are far too busy continuing to promote themselves as very godly and pious people.
Do you think any such people exist in churches today?

Jesus said we must do what they tell us to do (Torah) but not do what they do (act like hypocrites, judge each other etc and we should not follow the Talmud).