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OIC1965 said:
The way you interpret things, a person cannot be saved until the final gun, because Paul says we will be saved ( future tense) by Christ’s life.
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Do you hold to " we have to endure till the end to be saved ' ? I don't. Rom 5.10 is saying we are saved by his life . If Jesus reconciled the whole world through his death , how much more being reconciled we are saved by his life . Because of the faulty understanding of ' Elected to be saved ' Predestined to be saved ' limited / unlimited atonement nonsense people can't read what the bible actually says, about what actually saves . Because it doesn't fit the paradigm .
 
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Yep, we are called sons after the new birth, and yet, we are waiting on the adoption. That’s scripture not slander.
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We can’t be sons unless we were adopted.
we have been adopted, we have the spirit of adoption and we will be adopted

its all over the gospel message
 
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throughfaith said:
Do you hold to " we have to endure till the end to be saved ' ? I don't. Rom 5.10 is saying we are saved by his life . If Jesus reconciled the whole world through his death , how much more being reconciled we are saved by his life . Because of the faulty understanding of ' Elected to be saved ' Predestined to be saved ' limited / unlimited atonement nonsense people can't read what the bible actually says, about what actually saves . Because it doesn't fit the paradigm .
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More slander because you are incapable of hearing anything anyone says
 
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You don’t understand the dual aspect of adoption. Do you inderstand the dual aspect of other things like sanctification?
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The paradigm you have . ' we were elected to be saved before we existed ' is how your then interpreting the verses . If you come at the verses without the presupposition you should see what were saying.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
We can’t be sons unless we were adopted.
we have been adopted, we have the spirit of adoption and we will be adopted

its all over the gospel message
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Logic not scripture...yes, we the spirit of adoption which only means we have not been adopted yet. The Spirit seals us for the adoption which is the redemption of the body.
 
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John146 said:
Logic not scripture...yes, we the spirit of adoption which only means we have not been adopted yet. The Spirit seals us for the adoption which is the redemption of the body.
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Yawn

good day sir.

confess your sin to God, you do not have to worry about me,
 
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John146 said:
Your private interpretation reads into the verse, he chose us to be in Christ. That’s not there, neither is the context “us” but rather in Christ, in him, in the beloved. The heavenly blessings are in found Christ and given to us in him.
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It says He chose us in Him. What translation are you using, Hoss?
 
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John146 said:
Your private interpretation reads into the verse, he chose us to be in Christ. That’s not there, neither is the context “us” but rather in Christ, in him, in the beloved. The heavenly blessings are in found Christ and given to us in him.
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I didn’t say He chose us to be in Christ. You’re putting words in my mouth.

The text says He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world.
 
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OIC1965 said:
I didn’t say He chose us to be in Christ. You’re putting words in my mouth.

The text says He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world.
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I have to laugh, they keep doing it
 
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John146 said:
God predestinated who? Us, in him, in the beloved. We who are in Christ have been predestinated unto the adoption which is the redemption of the body.

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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Verse 5 is connected to verse four and having predestinated is an aorist participle and again it is connected to verse 4 which days we were chosen in Him.

I’m not interpreting it, Hoss, I’m just quoting the verse. Maybe since I’m accurately quoting it, and you think I’m interpreting it, maybe you’re the one who’s interpreting it and dont realize it.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Well King Jimmy agrees with me. King Jimmy reads “ Having chosen is in Him before the foundation of the world
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Yep, chosen US.. induvidual, who have recieved the inheritance
 
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throughfaith said:
Rom 5.10 ? We are saved by his life . Thats also clear. Without the resurrection, no new birth .
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Are you saved? Because Romans 5:10 mentions a future aspect of salvation just like Romans 8 mentions a future aspect of adoption.
 
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OIC1965 said:
So Ephesians 1:4 is completely cut off from Ephesians 1:5:LOL:
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They forget the origional autographs had no verse separations, mankind seperated the letters into chapter/verse form
 
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OIC1965 said:
Are you saved? Because Romans 5:10 mentions a future aspect of salvation just like Romans 8 mentions a future aspect of adoption.
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Yes, I have been saying this also.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Are you saved? Because Romans 5:10 mentions a future aspect of salvation just like Romans 8 mentions a future aspect of adoption.
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If the fact that Romans 8 stating a future aspect of adoption necessarily means we are not yet adopted, then it necessarily follows that the future aspect of salvation in Romans 5 means we’re not saved yet

Nice logic, Hoss.

Coffin nail, baby. Your argument is a lead balloon.
 
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John146 said:
Logic not scripture...yes, we the spirit of adoption which only means we have not been adopted yet. The Spirit seals us for the adoption which is the redemption of the body.
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There is a dual aspect of adoption. A past aspect and a future aspect. There is also a future aspect to salvation, yet we are already saved. Romans 5:9-10

Ruminate on that.
 
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