Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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Nehemiah6

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They forget the origional autographs had no verse separations, mankind seperated the letters into chapter/verse form
Which is not necessarily a bad thing. However there are some places where there should have been either no break, or the break should have been at a different verse. On balance, this is a minor issue, since Bible memorization was greatly helped with chapters and verse.
 

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i will just say again, I can testify that indeed some people are chosen before they are even born. My testimony is long but I will say at the age of ten years old, I was thinking about what I wanted to be when I grew up, the first word that entered my head was priest. After that it felt like an electric current ran through me. From that moment onwards life was not the same. So yes, people are ordained and chosen before they were even born. Why it has taken 38 pages so far to debate that is beyond me.
Did you ever become a priest? :unsure:

Ugh, what the heck? Sorry to see you have been banned :cry:
 

throughfaith

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Are you saved? Because Romans 5:10 mentions a future aspect of salvation just like Romans 8 mentions a future aspect of adoption.
Your missing the point . Rom
Verse 5 is connected to verse four and having predestinated is an aorist participle and again it is connected to verse 4 which days we were chosen in Him.

I’m not interpreting it, Hoss, I’m just quoting the verse. Maybe since I’m accurately quoting it, and you think I’m interpreting it, maybe you’re the one who’s interpreting it and dont realize it.
The through is referring to salvation, not election. We are saved through the sanctification of the Spirit and faith.
So not chosen to be saved before you were born ?
 

John146

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I didn’t say He chose us to be in Christ. You’re putting words in my mouth.

The text says He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world.
“According as” takes you back to verse three to tell you what God chose.
 

OIC1965

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Your missing the point . Rom


So not chosen to be saved before you were born ?
I’m a scripture guy. I don’t add or take away from scripture. Therefore I say only what scripture says.

Scripture does not say chosen and predestinated after you believe. Nowhere


Nor does it say in Ephesians chosen to be saved.

What it says is chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.

You added “ to be saved”, not me

Although the whole/entire sentence, which is like 14 verses long is about salvation if you think about it.
 

OIC1965

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Why do you always leave out “according as”? Those two words point back to verse three.
And they don’t change the clear meaning of the following verses. Καθώς, simply means “as”, “just as”, or “even as”.

He blessed us with every spiritual blessing in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

Exactly what I’ve been saying.
 
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I’m a scripture guy. I don’t add or take away from scripture. Therefore I say only what scripture says.

Scripture does not say chosen and predestinated after you believe. Nowhere


Nor does it say in Ephesians chosen to be saved.

What it says is chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.

You added “ to be saved”, not me

Although the whole/entire sentence, which is like 14 verses long is about salvation if you think about it.
Amen a statement of what we have including the seal of the spirit all based on predestination and faith
 

John146

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And they don’t change the clear meaning of the following verses. Καθώς, simply means “as”, “just as”, or “even as”.

He blessed us with every spiritual blessing in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

Exactly what I’ve been saying.
The spiritual blessings in the heavenly places are in accordance to what God has chosen us in him, in Christ, before the foundation of the world. The "us" are not the ones chosen before the foundation of the world. The spiritual blessings were chosen in Christ. If we get into Christ, we are the part of us who have these spiritual blessings in Christ. We first must trust in Christ. Not one individual was in Christ before the foundation of the world. Not one individual was chosen To BE IN Christ before the foundation of the world. That's the English language.

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
 

John146

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Amen a statement of what we have including the seal of the spirit all based on predestination and faith
All based upon God knowing us first. God doesn't know us as a son until we first trust in Christ. Now that God has foreknowledge of us as sons (even though the adoption has not taken place yet), He predestinates us to be conformed to the image of His Son, Jesus.
 

OIC1965

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Why do you always leave out “according as”? Those two words point back to verse three.
“According as” takes you back to verse three to tell you what God chose.
My Greek NT includes the word ήμας, which means “us” with εκλεγεί Which means “He chose”. IE He chose US.

Since you didn’t answer my question earlier, I will answer it. The direct object of the verb (chose) in Ephesians 1:4 is US.
 

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All based upon God knowing us first. God doesn't know us as a son until we first trust in Christ. Now that God has foreknowledge of us as sons (even though the adoption has not taken place yet), He predestinates us to be conformed to the image of His Son, Jesus.
Where does the Bible say God received foreknowledge of us as sons when we believe? Book, chapter, and verse.

So God does not have complete foreknowledge?
 

John146

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My Greek NT includes the word ήμας, which means “us” with εκλεγεί Which means “He chose”. IE He chose US.

Since you didn’t answer my question earlier, I will answer it. The direct object of the verb (chose) in Ephesians 1:4 is US.
Why is the word according, at the beginning of verse 4? Is it because whatever is about to be said, takes you back to what is in verse 3? yep