Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.
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Ok you make this Statement ---now show the scripture that says that and also show who the people are who believe that ------
Your grasping at straws here ----to keep your twisted beliefs a float ----
You are surmising all of what your saying ------start quoting Scripture to back up your False Claims ==
NO --the Satan subject is not hard to explain at all ---your False claims make it hard for you to Explain ---
God gives a detailed account of Satan and how he works in this Corrupt world ----and He give the way to keep him at bay from your thought life -----
Your the one yourself making this subject hard and by doing that you have confused your own self ----
So if you yourself want to be confused ---then be confused ----
But don't spread your confusion to others ---keep it to your self
Let others get their truth from the Scripture -----which gives you the truth ----
Your grasping at straws here ----to keep your twisted beliefs a float ----
You are surmising all of what your saying ------start quoting Scripture to back up your False Claims ==
NO --the Satan subject is not hard to explain at all ---your False claims make it hard for you to Explain ---
God gives a detailed account of Satan and how he works in this Corrupt world ----and He give the way to keep him at bay from your thought life -----
Your the one yourself making this subject hard and by doing that you have confused your own self ----
So if you yourself want to be confused ---then be confused ----
But don't spread your confusion to others ---keep it to your self
Let others get their truth from the Scripture -----which gives you the truth ----
Ok explain this to me.
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
Concerning the coming of the Holy Spirit in John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
The ruler of the world is now judged and is now cast out, how do you twist these verse to line up with your belief?
I don't want to be rude, but you used One verse that supports the truth: we are fighting a spiritual battle of those evils spirits that can't be seen.
1 Jesus cast out demons before the resurrection. The Apostles cast out demons before and after the Resurrection.
Eph chapter 6th has more context than just verse 12. Do you use one verse to discredit the whole chapter? Improper Biblical interpretation. Is the devil killing, stealing, and destroying today? Are demons still, by nature, evil? Then why would they do so? What is their nature?
You don't know the word of God effectively enough to understand the devil's nature. Nor do you understand the context of temptation,
Temptation is a suggestion being tempted is 1. an action is done to one or that one engages in. It can be past tense.
Jesus was Tempted in all Points as a man YET without SIN. Hebrews 4:15
James says to submit to God, resist the devil, and he will run from you. James 4:7
FYI, if you can't see the devil, what are you resisting? the temptation. FYI the flesh is tempted. Until you become a willful participant you have not sinned. We all will be tempted, aka Tried by the devil, yet we have the Power to resist.
I don't actually use that verse to support my position, It is the most common go to verse people use to show me their position, and they do what you have just done, eph 6:12 "against spiritual wickedness in high places. " I'm saying it does necessarily mean demons, it can mean people. people are also wicked or evil and we are physical plus spiritual beings.
Proverbs 15:8 The Lord detests the sacrifice of the wicked,
but the prayer of the upright pleases him.
9 The Lord detests the way of the wicked,
but he loves those who pursue righteousness.
agreed, never disagreed with this before
Again I don't use this verse for my position, I'm saying the verse is implicit in nature, meaning we can both read our different views into it.
No I do not think he literally is, who is he killing? what is he stealing? who is he destroying?
Proverbs 15:8 The Lord detests the sacrifice of the wicked,
but the prayer of the upright pleases him.
9 The Lord detests the way of the wicked,
but he loves those who pursue righteousness.
agreed, never disagreed with this before
Again I don't use this verse for my position, I'm saying the verse is implicit in nature, meaning we can both read our different views into it.
No I do not think he literally is, who is he killing? what is he stealing? who is he destroying?
Gladly ----first off you cut off the conveniently of the scripture -----and stop at where you want to make your point -----and hide the truth of what the Scripture is really saying in CONTEXT -----
This Scripture you quote in Context is Jesus talking about His coming Death and Explaining what WILL Be HAPPENING ----
So Secondly -----this is talking in the Future tense ---not the present tense -------see verse 31 ---WILL BE CAST OUT ---FUTURE TENSE -----Satan is cast out when Jesus defeats Him at the Battle of armageddon----NOT NOW
JOHN 12----Jesus is still alive here ---He is telling the Future ------
Jesus Foretells His Death
27 “Now My soul is troubled and deeply distressed; what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour [of trial and agony]’? But it is for this [very] purpose that I have come to this hour [this time and place].
28 [Rather, I will say,] ‘Father, glorify (honor, extol) Your name!’” Then a [d]voice came from heaven saying, “I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.”
29 The crowd of people who stood nearby and heard the voice said that it had thundered; others said, “An angel has spoken to Him!”
30 Jesus answered, “This voice has come for your sake, not for mine.
31 Now judgment is upon this world [the sentence is being passed]. Now the ruler of this world (Satan) will be cast out.
Your trying to interpret scripture with your human lens ------and you cannot do that ------the Holy Spirit gives your the Spiritual lens to interpret Spiritual Scripture ------
You would do well to listen a Spiritual Preacher who relys on the Holy Spirit to get the real truth of what the scripture is saying about Satan
Satan's Strategy to Defeat Us – Dr. Charles Stanley
yes and the context is immediate, If I be lifted up will draw all peoples to myself
You left the word NOW out of your quote, ill put it back in for you for it makes a difference.
Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
Yes, His imminent death at the cross is at hand.
This is why the Holy Spirit when it came could convict the world of righteousness and of judgment because the judgment has happened
Which is why I also gave you the John 16 verse "of judgment because the ruler of this world is judged"
Peter expresses this well, we can be confident God will judge the ungodly and unrighteous in the future for he gives us three examples of past judgments so we know and can be confident in Gods character.
1. For God did not spare the angels that sinned
2. God did not spare the ancient world in the flood
3. Turned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes
Which is also why Peter and myself can confidently say the angels that sinned are now bound, Does Satan not fit into the category of an angel that sinned for you?
You left the word NOW out of your quote, ill put it back in for you for it makes a difference.
Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
Yes, His imminent death at the cross is at hand.
This is why the Holy Spirit when it came could convict the world of righteousness and of judgment because the judgment has happened
Which is why I also gave you the John 16 verse "of judgment because the ruler of this world is judged"
Peter expresses this well, we can be confident God will judge the ungodly and unrighteous in the future for he gives us three examples of past judgments so we know and can be confident in Gods character.
1. For God did not spare the angels that sinned
2. God did not spare the ancient world in the flood
3. Turned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes
Which is also why Peter and myself can confidently say the angels that sinned are now bound, Does Satan not fit into the category of an angel that sinned for you?
I think we are tempted by our own nature and Satan could do nothing to man outside God's permission.
James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
For we are sinners,
1John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
I think James knows the devil is no longer in the picture and talks about him metaphorically as he is the pattern of sin, the father of lies etc etc
Just because I sing "Father Abraham has many sons, I am one of them and so are you", and see him as the father or pattern of faith, does not mean he literally instills it into me, it means he's a great example to follow. I
The bible is replete with pictures, types, metaphors, and analogies its a brilliant method of conveying truth. Satan had the greatest fall, Loved mammon, subjected himself to that sin of pride, and is a great example of what not to do.
When John the Baptist said "behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world" we know he is speaking metaphorically about Jesus and the lamb a type of sacrifice for sin. If Jesus was leading a pet lamb around with Him on a leash, John saying that automatically becomes more confusing.
I see when people having Satan running around, and although a lot of people give a metaphoric understanding to some verses despite the fact, it becomes more confusing for them.
James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
For we are sinners,
1John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
I think James knows the devil is no longer in the picture and talks about him metaphorically as he is the pattern of sin, the father of lies etc etc
Just because I sing "Father Abraham has many sons, I am one of them and so are you", and see him as the father or pattern of faith, does not mean he literally instills it into me, it means he's a great example to follow. I
The bible is replete with pictures, types, metaphors, and analogies its a brilliant method of conveying truth. Satan had the greatest fall, Loved mammon, subjected himself to that sin of pride, and is a great example of what not to do.
When John the Baptist said "behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world" we know he is speaking metaphorically about Jesus and the lamb a type of sacrifice for sin. If Jesus was leading a pet lamb around with Him on a leash, John saying that automatically becomes more confusing.
I see when people having Satan running around, and although a lot of people give a metaphoric understanding to some verses despite the fact, it becomes more confusing for them.
you have to read the full chapter to get the context from the text. Verse 12 can many many things without verse 10 through 20
FYI principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13
this includes demons and powerful evil spirits like, for example, the Prince of Persia that restrained the angel sent to bring Daniel his answer, which Micheal, an Arc Angel, was dispatched.
FYI principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13
this includes demons and powerful evil spirits like, for example, the Prince of Persia that restrained the angel sent to bring Daniel his answer, which Micheal, an Arc Angel, was dispatched.
You are partly right here -----we can be Tempted by our Sin Nature to sin -------but Satan also Tempt us through our thoughts -----
When will Satan be defeated?
https://www.gotquestions.org/when-will-Satan-be-defeated.html
In one sense, Satan is already defeated. Jesus won the victory over him through the cross and the resurrection (Colossians 2:15). It is now possible to defeat Satan every day in our own lives. The Holy Spirit empowers God’s children to say “no” to Satan’s agenda and walk in the Spirit, living a life pleasing to God (Ephesians 5:18; Galatians 5:16, 25). The ultimate defeat of Satan is yet to come, when he will be condemned to the lake of fire forever, unable to propagate his evil ever again. Though Satan still reigns as the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4), Christians can live in light of the truth that he is a defeated foe.
Worth Repeating --------Though Satan still reigns as the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4), Christians can live in light of the truth that he is a defeated foe.
When will Satan be defeated?
https://www.gotquestions.org/when-will-Satan-be-defeated.html
In one sense, Satan is already defeated. Jesus won the victory over him through the cross and the resurrection (Colossians 2:15). It is now possible to defeat Satan every day in our own lives. The Holy Spirit empowers God’s children to say “no” to Satan’s agenda and walk in the Spirit, living a life pleasing to God (Ephesians 5:18; Galatians 5:16, 25). The ultimate defeat of Satan is yet to come, when he will be condemned to the lake of fire forever, unable to propagate his evil ever again. Though Satan still reigns as the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4), Christians can live in light of the truth that he is a defeated foe.
Worth Repeating --------Though Satan still reigns as the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4), Christians can live in light of the truth that he is a defeated foe.
Friend, this is meant for discussion, you seem to have copy and paste responses for me, and when I disagree with it seems you have trouble being able to respond.
You say the casting out of Satan is future so I highlight the word NOW for you, the timing of the Lord being lifted up, the judgment and the casting out of Satan appear to be the same time.
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; NOW will the ruler of this world be cast out.
Also I point out Peter expressly says in 2pet 2:4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment.
What do you think about this?
How can that be true, but not true at the same time?
Did Peter make a mistake when he said the angels who sinned, Did the translators make a boo boo?
Was Satan not reckoned amongst the angels who sinned yet?
Does the bible contradict itself?
What is your rational for this seeming contradiction between your viewpoint and Gods Word?
Also notice in Revelation chapter 9 the abyss is opened up and demons come out of it.
Rev 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.
And they had there king in there with them, who did the angels follow when they rebelled Satan.
Who was the destroying angel in Eygpt that killed the first born?
Who came to kill, steal and Destroy
Rev 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
What do you think of these verses, uncanny coincidences?
logically if Satan is the destroyer then he has to be put into the pit first, if Satan was cast out in John 12:31, then he has to be released for the tribulation period
Please just read the Word, and decide for yourself what it says, be a student of the Word, not a student of Man.
I know most people already have their minds made up, but are they following teachers or reading what they think from the Word.
The fear of peoples disapproval is a crippling thing, but fear God not man, just simply believe the Word of God, give it a read with quiet contemplation, have an open mind, let God speak to you.
I mean how can you deny that scripture plainly states, now the ruler of this world shall be cast out, and yes there are more precise pieces of the jigsaw in the OT that give the timing.
Anyway, maybe you will explain to me how you read the verses, and show me something I'm missing? maybe you don't know how to answer how I see things, which is also fine, or maybe you will give copy and paste type reply , just what ever.
Just to point out the spirit of antichrist is already at work in people in the world, they are in Satan's realm of darkness and unknowingly follow/worship him, in their rejection of God, and yes that makes Satan the god of the world.
You say the casting out of Satan is future so I highlight the word NOW for you, the timing of the Lord being lifted up, the judgment and the casting out of Satan appear to be the same time.
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; NOW will the ruler of this world be cast out.
Also I point out Peter expressly says in 2pet 2:4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment.
What do you think about this?
How can that be true, but not true at the same time?
Did Peter make a mistake when he said the angels who sinned, Did the translators make a boo boo?
Was Satan not reckoned amongst the angels who sinned yet?
Does the bible contradict itself?
What is your rational for this seeming contradiction between your viewpoint and Gods Word?
Also notice in Revelation chapter 9 the abyss is opened up and demons come out of it.
Rev 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.
And they had there king in there with them, who did the angels follow when they rebelled Satan.
Who was the destroying angel in Eygpt that killed the first born?
Who came to kill, steal and Destroy
Rev 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
What do you think of these verses, uncanny coincidences?
logically if Satan is the destroyer then he has to be put into the pit first, if Satan was cast out in John 12:31, then he has to be released for the tribulation period
Please just read the Word, and decide for yourself what it says, be a student of the Word, not a student of Man.
I know most people already have their minds made up, but are they following teachers or reading what they think from the Word.
The fear of peoples disapproval is a crippling thing, but fear God not man, just simply believe the Word of God, give it a read with quiet contemplation, have an open mind, let God speak to you.
I mean how can you deny that scripture plainly states, now the ruler of this world shall be cast out, and yes there are more precise pieces of the jigsaw in the OT that give the timing.
Anyway, maybe you will explain to me how you read the verses, and show me something I'm missing? maybe you don't know how to answer how I see things, which is also fine, or maybe you will give copy and paste type reply , just what ever.
Just to point out the spirit of antichrist is already at work in people in the world, they are in Satan's realm of darkness and unknowingly follow/worship him, in their rejection of God, and yes that makes Satan the god of the world.
I assume the Prince of Persia, was indwelt by Satan here, There's a history book talking about Alexander the Greats conquest, and a secular historian said that his conquest was so fast and conclusive he could understand the sentiment that he was in fact empowered by Satan, I need to find it so I can quote it in conversation.
Thinking of the 7 world empires or kingdoms, have you noticed the beast aka Satan was indwelling the 6 kings and will also the seventh, yet he is his own entity so he is also counted as the eighth king?
Rev 17:10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a lttle while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
Also he once was the ruler of the earth, yet now he is not, has not yet come but when he does come he must be king again but only for a little while.
Sorry Its where my brain is at the moment so I'm repeating myself, but once was, (untill he was cast out, John 12:31) so is now not, and will be again when comes out of the abyss for a short time.
Thinking of the 7 world empires or kingdoms, have you noticed the beast aka Satan was indwelling the 6 kings and will also the seventh, yet he is his own entity so he is also counted as the eighth king?
Rev 17:10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a lttle while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
Also he once was the ruler of the earth, yet now he is not, has not yet come but when he does come he must be king again but only for a little while.
Sorry Its where my brain is at the moment so I'm repeating myself, but once was, (untill he was cast out, John 12:31) so is now not, and will be again when comes out of the abyss for a short time.
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Revelation 20:1-3
¶“1Next I saw an angel coming down from heaven. He held in his hand the key to the bottomless pit. He also held a great chain. 2The angel seized the dragon, who is the ancient serpent, the devil, also known as Satan. The angel bound him for a thousand years, 3throwing him into the great pit. The angel shut the pit and sealed it over the dragon. This was so the nations might not believe his lies anymore, until the thousand years were finished. After that he must be released for a little while.” (Revelation 20:1-3).
About 1000 years ago he was released?
Do you believe he is bound and inactive in respect to both heaven and earth? Or just earth?
¶“1Next I saw an angel coming down from heaven. He held in his hand the key to the bottomless pit. He also held a great chain. 2The angel seized the dragon, who is the ancient serpent, the devil, also known as Satan. The angel bound him for a thousand years, 3throwing him into the great pit. The angel shut the pit and sealed it over the dragon. This was so the nations might not believe his lies anymore, until the thousand years were finished. After that he must be released for a little while.” (Revelation 20:1-3).
About 1000 years ago he was released?
Do you believe he is bound and inactive in respect to both heaven and earth? Or just earth?
