Evolution

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On what evidence do you make these claims (bolded)?
Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
If there were no people other than Adam and Eve, who did Eve become the mother of?
 

oyster67

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#83
If you take this position, how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?
Just like skin colours. There are all shades of everything.

Evolution is out. Alien Seedings is in. Ever heard of the Cambrian Explosion? Horseshoe Crabs suddenly appeared out of nowhere, and Horseshoe Crabs are still Horseshoe Crabs. That is because a mature Earth was created by God 6000 years ago. Carbon dating is not useful after intelligent design walks in the door. "500,000 year old" trash can be created in a lab in 5 minutes. They may have been able to fool your grandfather, but they will not be able to fool your grandson. They will need to switch ponies very soon.
 

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#84
On what evidence do you make these claims (bolded)?
Interesting that you ask for evidence when your own worldview is disputed but will not accept the evidence that challenges your own worldview in favour of evolution.
Technically speaking, you've checkmated yourself.
I don't mean that in the sense of the debate we're having on this thread, rather I mean that you've cornered yourself through your own thinking processes and how this translates to your worldview.
You probably won't be able to see this though.
 

Dino246

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#85
Interesting that you ask for evidence when your own worldview is disputed but will not accept the evidence that challenges your own worldview in favour of evolution.
Technically speaking, you've checkmated yourself.
I don't mean that in the sense of the debate we're having on this thread, rather I mean that you've cornered yourself through your own thinking processes and how this translates to your worldview.
You probably won't be able to see this though.
Your assumption is baseless.
 

Jocund

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#87
Transmutation (the process of changing from kind of thing to another) is Biblically supported in Matthew 3

"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Matthew 3:9 KJV

If "macro-evolution" is a type of transmutation, it is conceivably consistent with scripture.
 

CS1

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#88
Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
If there were no people other than Adam and Eve, who did Eve become the mother of?
remember Adam and Eve were told to be fruit full and multiple. Eve's name was given before that had happened. Yet it happened.
 
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remember Adam and Eve were told to be fruit full and multiple. Eve's name was given before that had happened. Yet it happened.
Wrong! Haven't you read Genesis recently? I urge you to do so, just the first three chapters, for now, should be sufficient. God said that to Man(kind).
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Adam and Eve were created separately, in chapter 2.
 

Dino246

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Transmutation (the process of changing from kind of thing to another) is Biblically supported in Matthew 3

"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Matthew 3:9 KJV

If "macro-evolution" is a type of transmutation, it is conceivably consistent with scripture.
Streeeeeeeeeeeeetch.
 

CS1

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Wrong! Haven't you read Genesis recently? I urge you to do so, just the first three chapters, for now, should be sufficient. God said that to Man(kind).
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Adam and Eve were created separately, in chapter 2.

OK, so when God said to Adam and Ever Be fruitful and multiply they already children? Please show me in Genesis this. You are reading the Genesis account and it is not all chronological something is repeated and giving current time responses as Moses is telling the story as God gave it to HIM.

In addition, there are some who see the "Replenish" prior life before Adam and Eve or why would they be told to replenish?

Thank you.
 
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OK, so when God said to Adam and Ever Be fruitful and multiply they already children? Please show me in Genesis this. You are reading the Genesis account and it is not all chronological something is repeated and giving current time responses as Moses is telling the story as God gave it to HIM.

In addition, there are some who see the "Replenish" prior life before Adam and Eve or why would they be told to replenish?

Thank you.
I beg your pardon, I looked at your profile and it says you're American. I thought you understood English in the USA. Please read what I wrote a bit more carefully.
 

Dino246

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#95
Explain your case.
Equating God's ability to do what He wants with His creation is a far cry from things changing themselves into other things.
 

Jocund

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#96
Equating God's ability to do what He wants with His creation is a far cry from things changing themselves into other things.
The science just observes cause and effect. Evolution science does not say "this happened... and God had nothing to do with it"

Who said that things are necessarily changing themselves? Who said that macroevolution is necessarily a Godless process? Who is to say that macroevolution isn't by God's will?

It is a stretch to insist that science is necessarily Godless.
 
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Read it in the NIV.
I am well aware of how the NIV translates it. Badly.

KJ21 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
ASV And the man called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
AMP The man named his wife Eve (life spring, life giver), because she was the mother of all the living.
AMPC The man called his wife’s name Eve [life spring], because she was the mother of all the living.
BRG And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
CSB The man named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
CEB The man named his wife Eve because she is the mother of everyone who lives.
CJB The man called his wife Havah [life], because she was the mother of all living.
CEV The man Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all who live.
DARBY And Man called his wife's name Eve; because she is the mother of all living.
DRA And Adam called the name of his wife Eve: because she was the mother of all the living.
ERV Adam named his wife Eve. He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived.
EHV The man named his wife Eve because she would be the mother of all the living.
ESV The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
ESVUK The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
EXB The man named his wife Eve [C the name derives from an early form of the verb “to live”], because she was the mother of all the living.
GNV (And the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living)
GW Adam named his wife Eve [Life] because she became the mother of every living person.
GNT Adam named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all human beings.
HCSB Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
ICB The man named his wife Eve. This is because she is the mother of everyone who ever lived.
ISV Now Adam had named his wife “Eve,” because she was to become the mother of everyone who was living.
JUB ¶ And the man called his wife’s name Eve because she was the mother of all living.
KJV And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
AKJV And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
LEB And the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all life.
TLB The man named his wife Eve (meaning “The life-giving one”), for he said, “She shall become the mother of all mankind”;
MSG The Man, known as Adam, named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
MEV The man called his wife’s name Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
NOG Adam named his wife Eve [Life] because she became the mother of every living person.
NABRE The man gave his wife the name “Eve,” because she was the mother of all the living.
NASB Now the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NASB1995 Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NCV The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NET The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NIRV Adam named his wife Eve. She would become the mother of every living person.
NIV Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

Of course, I understand why you favor the NIV. Because it backs up what you already believe. The consensus seems to go differently.
 

Dino246

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I am well aware of how the NIV translates it. Badly.

KJ21 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
ASV And the man called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
AMP The man named his wife Eve (life spring, life giver), because she was the mother of all the living.
AMPC The man called his wife’s name Eve [life spring], because she was the mother of all the living.
BRG And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
CSB The man named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
CEB The man named his wife Eve because she is the mother of everyone who lives.
CJB The man called his wife Havah [life], because she was the mother of all living.
CEV The man Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all who live.
DARBY And Man called his wife's name Eve; because she is the mother of all living.
DRA And Adam called the name of his wife Eve: because she was the mother of all the living.
ERV Adam named his wife Eve. He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived.
EHV The man named his wife Eve because she would be the mother of all the living.
ESV The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
ESVUK The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
EXB The man named his wife Eve [C the name derives from an early form of the verb “to live”], because she was the mother of all the living.
GNV (And the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living)
GW Adam named his wife Eve [Life] because she became the mother of every living person.
GNT Adam named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all human beings.
HCSB Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
ICB The man named his wife Eve. This is because she is the mother of everyone who ever lived.
ISV Now Adam had named his wife “Eve,” because she was to become the mother of everyone who was living.
JUB ¶ And the man called his wife’s name Eve because she was the mother of all living.
KJV And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
AKJV And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
LEB And the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all life.
TLB The man named his wife Eve (meaning “The life-giving one”), for he said, “She shall become the mother of all mankind”;
MSG The Man, known as Adam, named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
MEV The man called his wife’s name Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
NOG Adam named his wife Eve [Life] because she became the mother of every living person.
NABRE The man gave his wife the name “Eve,” because she was the mother of all the living.
NASB Now the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NASB1995 Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NCV The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NET The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NIRV Adam named his wife Eve. She would become the mother of every living person.
NIV Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

Of course, I understand why you favor the NIV. Because it backs up what you already believe. The consensus seems to go differently.
you make lots of assumptions. The NIV is simply the translation I had closest to hand.
 

Dino246

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#99
The science just observes cause and effect. Evolution science does not say "this happened... and God had nothing to do with it"

Who said that things are necessarily changing themselves? Who said that macroevolution is necessarily a Godless process? Who is to say that macroevolution isn't by God's will?

It is a stretch to insist that science is necessarily Godless.
“Science observes…”. Thanks for refuting evolution in two words. :)

No scientist was around to “observe” evolution, and no macroevolution has been observed in the modern era.
 

Jocund

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I am well aware of how the NIV translates it. Badly.

KJ21 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
ASV And the man called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
AMP The man named his wife Eve (life spring, life giver), because she was the mother of all the living.
AMPC The man called his wife’s name Eve [life spring], because she was the mother of all the living.
BRG And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
CSB The man named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
CEB The man named his wife Eve because she is the mother of everyone who lives.
CJB The man called his wife Havah [life], because she was the mother of all living.
CEV The man Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all who live.
DARBY And Man called his wife's name Eve; because she is the mother of all living.
DRA And Adam called the name of his wife Eve: because she was the mother of all the living.
ERV Adam named his wife Eve. He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived.
EHV The man named his wife Eve because she would be the mother of all the living.
ESV The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
ESVUK The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
EXB The man named his wife Eve [C the name derives from an early form of the verb “to live”], because she was the mother of all the living.
GNV (And the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living)
GW Adam named his wife Eve [Life] because she became the mother of every living person.
GNT Adam named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all human beings.
HCSB Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
ICB The man named his wife Eve. This is because she is the mother of everyone who ever lived.
ISV Now Adam had named his wife “Eve,” because she was to become the mother of everyone who was living.
JUB ¶ And the man called his wife’s name Eve because she was the mother of all living.
KJV And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
AKJV And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
LEB And the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all life.
TLB The man named his wife Eve (meaning “The life-giving one”), for he said, “She shall become the mother of all mankind”;
MSG The Man, known as Adam, named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
MEV The man called his wife’s name Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
NOG Adam named his wife Eve [Life] because she became the mother of every living person.
NABRE The man gave his wife the name “Eve,” because she was the mother of all the living.
NASB Now the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NASB1995 Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NCV The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NET The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
NIRV Adam named his wife Eve. She would become the mother of every living person.
NIV Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

Of course, I understand why you favor the NIV. Because it backs up what you already believe. The consensus seems to go differently.
Biblehub is a great resource for the source text of passages. Here is the entry for that section of Gen 3:20:

would become
הָֽיְתָ֖ה (hā·yə·ṯāh)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person feminine singular
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be