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Just saying ,squirrelabidinghouse, that God works in us so that we are not feeling condemned IF someone is speaking in tongues in a church 
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I am not sure if you want anything said of manifestations part but I will if it's not clear. The gifts themselves are manifestations, therefore, they are 'manifestation gifts' of the Spirit
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I am not sure if you want anything said of manifestations part but I will if it's not clear. The gifts themselves are manifestations, therefore, they are 'manifestation gifts' of the Spirit
but the distinction is given in verse 11. Manifestations are done when the Holyspirit wants and to whom He wants.
Where other gifts like helps, administrations, teacher, pastor etc are gifts that a person is given for life...altogether
different than a manifestation which just means manifestation or evidence of a single work the Holyspirit chose to do.
K
If by my praying in tongues, I see God from a different angle, and am thus able offer a new prayer in English, the listeners are edified with the new slant on the prayer once I offer it. If the prayer opens up someone to then sharing a word, or prophecy, or someone is more open to receive a healing, God is glorified in the healing or sharing that ensues. This is the normal operation that I know and see more or less everytime I use tongues in a group.
The babbling that is in most of these youtube videos I see posted here, seems to me to be a poor copy of the group prayer in tongues that was practiced in the early Cath. Charismatic renewal, which was simply a celebration of the freedom to do what I described above.
The babbling that is in most of these youtube videos I see posted here, seems to me to be a poor copy of the group prayer in tongues that was practiced in the early Cath. Charismatic renewal, which was simply a celebration of the freedom to do what I described above.
I am not sure that the question is coming across clearly. Someone speaks in "tongues",how does that person before he or she even opens their mouth,tests that spirit to know if it is of the Lord or not? Two if one is speaking in "tongues" how does the person speaking know if they are praising God or cursing Jesus? Once the words are spoken it's a bit late at that point so to speak for the person speaking to test it so how does one test that spirit even before the words are spoken?
K
I understand the problem, but there is no way we can or should do anything about it. We may as well throw people out of church for how they dress, or walk. It's pretty much the same thing. In every case, we have to wait for the fruit before we can decide.
It is the same with prophecy, or prayers for healing. How do we know those are correct? That's why it says "forbid not to speak in tongues". We just have to give the person enough slack so we can find out, and so he can learn to use the gifts properly.
It is the same with prophecy, or prayers for healing. How do we know those are correct? That's why it says "forbid not to speak in tongues". We just have to give the person enough slack so we can find out, and so he can learn to use the gifts properly.
K
It never occurred to me that there would be a problem. I never asked for it, no one ever brought it up until now. I just assumed we have to see what God might be doing, before we can see if it's really Him. I know that works for prophecy, and teachers, and music, and all the arts, having done it that way for a lifetime.
Maybe I'm not seeing this right but I also know that when one talks to another person about Jesus we need to define which Jesus we are talking about. Are they talking about Jesus of Nazareth,the Christ or are they talking about a different Jesus?
If one doesn't ask the right questions then can one be sure the two of you are talking about the same Jesus? If those questions aren't asked then is the other person talking about the JW,the Mormon,the good teacher,good example or the Santa,Jesus? It seems to me that asking the right questions about the source first makes more sense then finding out later we have gone off half cocked and wind up in a place we do not want to be.
And can anyone name one prophet of God that really wanted to be a prophet? I know the New Testament says to desire that gift but who in their so called "right mind" really wants that? I think the Old Testament prophets realized what it really meant. to be a prophet.
If one doesn't ask the right questions then can one be sure the two of you are talking about the same Jesus? If those questions aren't asked then is the other person talking about the JW,the Mormon,the good teacher,good example or the Santa,Jesus? It seems to me that asking the right questions about the source first makes more sense then finding out later we have gone off half cocked and wind up in a place we do not want to be.
And can anyone name one prophet of God that really wanted to be a prophet? I know the New Testament says to desire that gift but who in their so called "right mind" really wants that? I think the Old Testament prophets realized what it really meant. to be a prophet.
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Not understanding...are you saying when you pray in tongues, your understanding of God is improved? 1 Cor 14:14
What do you mean by "slant"? are you saying you experience something that makes you change prayer direction?
It seems like your saying that your praying in tongues causes a domino effect...which would
mean that those who dont pray in tongues would not receive as much from their prayer.
Which if that were true....would bring up several biblical issues.
What do you mean by "slant"? are you saying you experience something that makes you change prayer direction?
It seems like your saying that your praying in tongues causes a domino effect...which would
mean that those who dont pray in tongues would not receive as much from their prayer.
Which if that were true....would bring up several biblical issues.
I haven't attended or found a specific church denomination where this is done properly (there may be some out there but I haven't found one yet); but I have attended and participated in home church fellowships in which tongues and interpretation were practiced on a regular basis and this is how it was done.
No one speaks in tongues unless he interprets. . . .We have two very clear verses: 12:5b - "for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying" and v13 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an tongue pray that he may interpret" . . . so the one speaking in tongues also interprets. . .God via the gift of holy spirit gives the tongue and gives the interpretation. There are rare instances where someone else may interpret but v5 and v13 set up the norm.
No one speaks in tongues unless he interprets. . . .We have two very clear verses: 12:5b - "for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying" and v13 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an tongue pray that he may interpret" . . . so the one speaking in tongues also interprets. . .God via the gift of holy spirit gives the tongue and gives the interpretation. There are rare instances where someone else may interpret but v5 and v13 set up the norm.
According to scripture - our standard for truth - this is what speaking in tongues is profitable for:
1 Cor. 14:2 - A person speaking in tongues speaks unto God not unto men and the person speaking in tongues is speaking mysteries - mysterion -1) hidden thing, secret, mystery . . .so a person speaking in tongues is uttering secrets between themselves and God. .
1 Cor 14:15. . .tongues are prayer . . .I will pray with the spirit (tongues) and I will pray with the understanding also;
and we can even sing in tongues. . .I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. . so I pray with my mind and I pray with my spirit by speaking in tongues
Acts 2:11. . .on the miraculous day of Pentecost when those present understood the tongues coming from the apostles (although they were Galilaeans and did not know the language they were speaking). . . .when we speak in tongues we speak the wonderful works of God
Acts 10:46. . .we magnify or praise God
1 Cor. 14:22 . . .we give thanks well
1 Cor. 14:4 . . . we edify or build ourselves up (Jude 20)
The listeners are not edified UNLESS tongues is interpreted. . .1 Cor. 14:5
I would like to add. . .I am by no means a scholar on the matter. . .this is just a subject that has interested me as long as I can remember! And again. . .this is my belief of what scripture teaches based on what I have studied and what I have been taught.
1 Cor. 14:2 - A person speaking in tongues speaks unto God not unto men and the person speaking in tongues is speaking mysteries - mysterion -1) hidden thing, secret, mystery . . .so a person speaking in tongues is uttering secrets between themselves and God. .
1 Cor 14:15. . .tongues are prayer . . .I will pray with the spirit (tongues) and I will pray with the understanding also;
and we can even sing in tongues. . .I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. . so I pray with my mind and I pray with my spirit by speaking in tongues
Acts 2:11. . .on the miraculous day of Pentecost when those present understood the tongues coming from the apostles (although they were Galilaeans and did not know the language they were speaking). . . .when we speak in tongues we speak the wonderful works of God
Acts 10:46. . .we magnify or praise God
1 Cor. 14:22 . . .we give thanks well
1 Cor. 14:4 . . . we edify or build ourselves up (Jude 20)
The listeners are not edified UNLESS tongues is interpreted. . .1 Cor. 14:5
I would like to add. . .I am by no means a scholar on the matter. . .this is just a subject that has interested me as long as I can remember! And again. . .this is my belief of what scripture teaches based on what I have studied and what I have been taught.
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There is a misunderstanding here. In biblical history, church leaders have done this when God wanted them to do it. No one has said or is saying that they are doing it in apostolic authority. I am saying that I cannot of my own initiative pick and choose who will be baptized in the Spirit and who won't. As in all of the gifts, no work of the Spirit can be performed unless you are Spirit led to do it. If somebody comes up front in my church during the altar call, and they want to be prayed for for healing, I will agree with them for their healing. But I cannot say "be healed" as an authoritative utterance unless the Spirit is leading me to do so. This is what the Bible is talking about throughout Paul's writings about being led by the Spirit. I don't claim the authority. Christ is the head of the church. He has the authority. When the Spirit leads, the gift and power can be manifested. Not till then.
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According to scripture - our standard for truth - this is what speaking in tongues is profitable for:
1 Cor. 14:2 - A person speaking in tongues speaks unto God not unto men and the person speaking in tongues is speaking mysteries - mysterion -1) hidden thing, secret, mystery . . .so a person speaking in tongues is uttering secrets between themselves and God. .
1 Cor 14:15. . .tongues are prayer . . .I will pray with the spirit (tongues) and I will pray with the understanding also;
and we can even sing in tongues. . .I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. . so I pray with my mind and I pray with my spirit by speaking in tongues
Acts 2:11. . .on the miraculous day of Pentecost when those present understood the tongues coming from the apostles (although they were Galilaeans and did not know the language they were speaking). . . .when we speak in tongues we speak the wonderful works of God
Acts 10:46. . .we magnify or praise God
1 Cor. 14:22 . . .we give thanks well
1 Cor. 14:4 . . . we edify or build ourselves up (Jude 20)
The listeners are not edified UNLESS tongues is interpreted. . .1 Cor. 14:5
I would like to add. . .I am by no means a scholar on the matter. . .this is just a subject that has interested me as long as I can remember! And again. . .this is my belief of what scripture teaches based on what I have studied and what I have been taught.
1 Cor. 14:2 - A person speaking in tongues speaks unto God not unto men and the person speaking in tongues is speaking mysteries - mysterion -1) hidden thing, secret, mystery . . .so a person speaking in tongues is uttering secrets between themselves and God. .
1 Cor 14:15. . .tongues are prayer . . .I will pray with the spirit (tongues) and I will pray with the understanding also;
and we can even sing in tongues. . .I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. . so I pray with my mind and I pray with my spirit by speaking in tongues
Acts 2:11. . .on the miraculous day of Pentecost when those present understood the tongues coming from the apostles (although they were Galilaeans and did not know the language they were speaking). . . .when we speak in tongues we speak the wonderful works of God
Acts 10:46. . .we magnify or praise God
1 Cor. 14:22 . . .we give thanks well
1 Cor. 14:4 . . . we edify or build ourselves up (Jude 20)
The listeners are not edified UNLESS tongues is interpreted. . .1 Cor. 14:5
I would like to add. . .I am by no means a scholar on the matter. . .this is just a subject that has interested me as long as I can remember! And again. . .this is my belief of what scripture teaches based on what I have studied and what I have been taught.
Mark 16
The Great Commission
14Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs.
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these things were said ABOUT those He personally sent out.
WE KNOW FROM SCRIPTURE THOSE SIGNS ACCOMPANIED THEM.
don't we?
"So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."
Luke 24
44Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Acts 1:4
On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.
that was of course Pentecost.
it's in the PAST.
we read about it.
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do we need the message confirmed with signs - now that we have the Scriptures and The Holy Spirit testifies to us in them of everything concerning our salvation, and Christ?
do we need signs?
does anyone today require a sign?
Jesus didn't like that - at all.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
The Great Commission
14Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs.
....
these things were said ABOUT those He personally sent out.
WE KNOW FROM SCRIPTURE THOSE SIGNS ACCOMPANIED THEM.
don't we?
"So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."
Luke 24
44Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Acts 1:4
On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.
that was of course Pentecost.
it's in the PAST.
we read about it.
.........
do we need the message confirmed with signs - now that we have the Scriptures and The Holy Spirit testifies to us in them of everything concerning our salvation, and Christ?
do we need signs?
does anyone today require a sign?
Jesus didn't like that - at all.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Matthew 28:16-20 [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit was not limited to the apostles. Teaching about it was not limited to the apostles. Teaching the church should have it was not limited to the apostles. "These signs shall follow them that believe" was not limited to the apostles. If a mature,faith-believing, honest, and loving Christian were to ask God for everything He has for them to build the church, would that be an improper prayer? Would such a mature, committed Christian be easily swayed by the devil? Would God allow a mature Christian to be swayed by an imposter posing as the Holy Spirit? Every single one of you that tell about what they went through in your deception were baby Christians at that time it happened. Babes can easily be deceived. When a baby is burned, from that day forward they will never touch a hot stove again. They become scared of it. They fear it. The same thing happens to baby Christians. To some, it's so bad that they leave church never to return. Others will go to a church where it's more comfortable, where there's nothing to fear. Many will stay in that comfort zone the rest of their lives.
hi Ken
how are WE (cessationist leaning) supposed to know which is which.
first you are certain you have the gift, then you're pretty sure what is in the vids is "a poor copy of the group prayer in tongues that was practiced in the early Cath. Charismatic renewal" - whatever that means.
what does that mean?
ok thx.
so when you are in your group - someone speaks in tongues (which is God speaking directly to them (?); then they translate what He just said for the group?
is God revealing new things today, as in that should be on par with Scripture?
He sounds like He is speaking directly, in real time here - that sounds important.
also, since tongues are a sign for unbelievers, are there unbelievers (Jews) in your group?
oh...i guess there needn't be if there is inter.......
arg....k. thx
i'll have to ponder that.
so when you are in your group - someone speaks in tongues (which is God speaking directly to them (?); then they translate what He just said for the group?
is God revealing new things today, as in that should be on par with Scripture?
He sounds like He is speaking directly, in real time here - that sounds important.
also, since tongues are a sign for unbelievers, are there unbelievers (Jews) in your group?
oh...i guess there needn't be if there is inter.......
arg....k. thx
i'll have to ponder that.
Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
(since i am cessationist, i believe there are no more prophets like Amos - otherwise we'd have a GIANT AND GROWING BIBLE. Scripture is complete and God revealed all the mysteries/secrets).
if we don't understand Scripture and what He has revealed, that's kinda sad.
1 Corinthians 15:51
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed.
the mysteries in Scripture were all revealed.
any not revealed are not ours to know.
2 Corinthians 12
3And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter
but....does the person then understand those secrets uttered (between?) themselves and God?
nah...not from what i understand so far.
unless there's a translator.
and since the bible is referring to actual human languages, i guess i'm back where i started.
you mean the Galileans didn't know?
or the hearers didn't know?
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
(since i am cessationist, i believe there are no more prophets like Amos - otherwise we'd have a GIANT AND GROWING BIBLE. Scripture is complete and God revealed all the mysteries/secrets).
if we don't understand Scripture and what He has revealed, that's kinda sad.
1 Corinthians 15:51
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed.
the mysteries in Scripture were all revealed.
any not revealed are not ours to know.
2 Corinthians 12
3And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter
but....does the person then understand those secrets uttered (between?) themselves and God?
nah...not from what i understand so far.
unless there's a translator.
and since the bible is referring to actual human languages, i guess i'm back where i started.
you mean the Galileans didn't know?
or the hearers didn't know?